Is it good to hate this life?

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In the Bible when Jesus tells us to hate our mother and father he is not telling us to despise them. He is telling us to put God before them. That could be what he means in this passage we are discussing now. We aren’t called necessarily to despise this life as much as we are called to value it only second to the next life.
 
**I first had to look up the word
despise 😉
Yes - you’re right
we are asked not only to love our parents, but also to love our life. No question about despise neither parents nor life.
Life and parents have been given to us in enormous grace.
If we’d be called to hate our life it wouldn’t be a sin to commit suicide - nor to kill our parents.
Both of which is capital sin of course.
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Then, what about this prayer?

*Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.

Pray for us, O holy Mother of God

That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ. *

**Where in the New Testament does it say that we should love this life? **Should we love the lies and deceit of Satan too?

God bless us all!
 
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In the Bible when Jesus tells us to hate our mother and father he is not telling us to despise them. He is telling us to put God before them. That could be what he means in this passage we are discussing now. We aren’t called necessarily to despise this life as much as we are called to value it only second to the next life.
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Where is that in the New Testament? Please provide a reference. No way!!!

God Bless!
 
Bruno_Schulz said:
I first had to look up the word
despise 😉
Yes - you’re right
we are asked not only to love our parents, but also to love our life. No question about despise neither parents nor life.
Life and parents have been given to us in enormous grace.
If we’d be called to hate our life it wouldn’t be a sin to commit suicide - nor to kill our parents.
Both of which is capital sin of course.
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Love what is good, and hate that which is evil.**

God Bless!
 
As I understand it we are called to possess joy in this life, the joy the saints have, while keeping our hearts and eyes fixed on the life to come, that is, while “hating this life.”
 
John 12:25a
The one who loves his life destroys it

so, YES!

there is a consequence for loving your own life not my words.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Then, what about this prayer?

*Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.

Pray for us, O holy Mother of God

That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ. *

**Where in the New Testament does it say that we should love this life? **Should we love the lies and deceit of Satan too?

God bless us all!
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Please show me how the two go hand-in-hand.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
Please show me how the two go hand-in-hand.
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  1. Both imply that we ought not love this life.
  2. Indeed, Hail, Holy Queen suggests that we are living this life in “exile.”
  3. Both suggest that we ought to fix our sights on the Hereafter.
God Bless
 
Bruno_Schulz said:
**The Bible doesn’t really say, one should hate his life! On the contrary; a long life is granted to many who serve God, see 2Mose 20,12: “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long…”

The word “hate” in John 12,25 means:
Those who set eternal live first, keep in mind, that we are here on probation for heaven.

Such we might live in great joy, for we know; if we live in God and love each other and love God, we will have eternal live in Gods kingdom.

Those however who are silly enough to think this life here is all, as they do not believe in God, consequently favor this life to the life in Gods kingdom, will of course loose their life; both live, for they love earthly life as a only one they have.

When the evangelist John says: “who loves his life will lose it; who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life” then this doesn’t mean we should HATE our life! How could we hate our life God has given to us?!

We can make this life pleasing in the sight of God and others, and we can make this life dreadful to others and ourselves and to Gods disgrace.

But when it comes to an end, glorious the fruits of our life will be before God if we lived in God and minded the but two commandments in Mk 12,29-31 Jesus announced:

“The first is this: The Lord our God is Lord alone! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
The second is: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.”

When we do this, we might love our life here on earth and fully enjoy it, for it’s a great gift of God, for it leads us into eternal life with God.
This is the joy we savor in our life as Christians; as described in the CAF-thread:
Believe in God; - joyful or burdensome?<
here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=305727&page=11**
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:clapping::tiphat::clapping: Sooo, why is there still confusion??? (I know, I’m impatient:rolleyes:)
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MarysGirls said:
:clapping::tiphat::clapping: Sooo, why is there still confusion??? (I know, I’m impatient:rolleyes:)
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So, eat, drink and be merry, if you like, but please remember John 12:25.
Robert_Sock said:
John 12:25 (New International Version)

“The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.”
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God Bless!
 
John 12:25b
and the one who hates his life in this world guards it for eternal life.

take your pick, i live for Christ my friends not JERRY MARINO.

Phillipians 1:21-26 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labor for me. Yet which I shall choose I cannot tell. I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith, so that in me you have ample cause of glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.

boy to be like that what happened to paul formerly known as saul? what was his formal life like? he was a murderer of Christians a scribe who knew the scriptures when Christ knocked him off his high horse and transformed this man to the above statement, it wasn’t about him anymore for his life was ‘gone with the wind’ and a new life had begun so his life he did not love nor did he seek his life but the contrary he hated his life, he lost it for the sake of the gospel of Christ and he found life ABUNDANTLY in Christ, the promise, the gift of eternal life that comes through Jesus Christ.

my friends that is what it means to not love your life it doesn’t mean to hate life in general but not to be self seeking.

Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Matthew 16:24

DENY YOURSELF, TAKE UP HIS CROSS! the cross in that time period signified death.

are you willing to die and live for Christ? yeah, are you serious about Christ? are you willing to go all the way?

God bless you all

Love life and spread the good news so others may have eternal life
 
Well said!

Yes, I’m most eager to die for Christ! (I actually just got back from my psychotherapist and I expressed this to her)

God Bless
 
If we love this life we are at risk of losing life eternal. It is best to love God and what is above than what we have here in this life as a fruitful means to attain the greater good: union with God for all eternity in heaven.
 
Robert_Sock said:
  1. Both imply that we ought not love this life.
  2. Indeed, Hail, Holy Queen suggests that we are living this life in “exile.”
  3. Both suggest that we ought to fix our sights on the Hereafter.
God Bless
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Sorry, but I must continue to disagree and take the advice of Fathers Frank Pavone and Wade Menezes.

To hate the gift of life would be itself sinful. Otherwise, why not just sit and wait to die, and not try to save the unborn?

Did Mary hate Joseph? Did she hate her cousin Elizabeth, whom she served for LOVE of neighbor?
 
**The bible calls us on very many verses to joy and rejoicing.

Would Jesus have encouraged us to live in joy if we are to hate life? Often Jesus said similar to John 15,11: "…my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.”

St. Paul writes in Phil 4,4: “Rejoice in the Lord always. I shall say it again: rejoice!”

How could we, if we’d hate life?!

Hate life means, not to cling to this life with it’s glamour and shallow joys, for, where your treasure is, there also will your heart be. (Mat 6:21)
It means, we should not worry about our life, not give priority to what we will eat or drink, or our body. For life is more than what the world can offer.

But still: God has not given us this life out of His grace to hate life itself, but to recognise this life as a passage to real, eternal life.

We pray: Your kingdom come on this earth.
How could it, if Gods own people – Christians – hate life?!
Don’t hate that gift God has given to you in His overwhelming love!

I mentioned same thing here too:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=305727&page=11
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Re: Is it good to hate this life?

No,:nope:

Ask yourself: “why me, why here, why now?”

Better we take advantage if this reched life to insure we end uo where we want to spend our next life.

Seems to me that we can’t have one without the other:wave::doh2::signofcross:

Love and prayers,
 
wretched?
why is this graceful gift of God wretched?
Yeah - we can’t have one without the other.
But to gain the other - eternal life with God, we are given life on earth.
That is how we make it and how we look at it.
Never wretched though. (unless we make it to be a wretched one).
 
Bruno_Schulz said:
**The bible calls us on very many verses to joy and rejoicing.

Would Jesus have encouraged us to live in joy if we are to hate life? Often Jesus said similar to John 15,11: "…my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.”

St. Paul writes in Phil 4,4: “Rejoice in the Lord always. I shall say it again: rejoice!”

How could we, if we’d hate life?!

Hate life means, not to cling to this life with it’s glamour and shallow joys, for, where your treasure is, there also will your heart be. (Mat 6:21)
It means, we should not worry about our life, not give priority to what we will eat or drink, or our body. For life is more than what the world can offer.

But still: God has not given us this life out of His grace to hate life itself, but to recognise this life as a passage to real, eternal life.

We pray: Your kingdom come on this earth.
How could it, if Gods own people – Christians – hate life?!
Don’t hate that gift God has given to you in His overwhelming love!

I mentioned same thing here too:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=305727&page=11**
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And yet you’re faced with the fact that nowhere in the New Testament are we told to love or enjoy this life. Did God somehow forget to mention this? Can anybody quote me a New Testament passage suggesting we should love or enjoy this life! “Pick up your cross and follow me!”

God Bless.
 
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