Is it hard to stay home and keep the hearth warm when wordly success beckons?

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Here’s my testamony. I have really rebelled at SAHM. I had no training for this choice either practically or spiritually (psychologically, as well). One day I was sitting watching my two preschoolers and the baby toddle around. Idly, I thought, “So this is it, huh? Hey, God, what about that important work you had for me?”

Clearly, emphatically, I had an interior locution, “You are looking at it!”

I was overcome and still am (8 years later). To think from all of time that God intended this great work for me–co-creating these children and forming them in the faith!!!

Some months before this, I was walking around the house with the baby, thinking of diary of St. Faustina which I was reading at the time. I was remembering how at Mass, the Blessed Mother appeared and handed her the baby Jesus. I thought, “Oh Jesus, I would love to hold you.”

Clearly and with a hint of amusement, I had an interior locution,“You are holding me.”

Sure enough I had my baby in my arms.
 
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marcsababa:
In reviewing what needs to be done in my life in the “respect for my husband post” I realized that one great frustration I have is that I am not contributing to my own material well being by working outside the home (whther for the house or not). I have the ability, I have the training, I have the interest, but for now it is just not possible without going against my priorities.

I know I just have to deal with this and trust that my priorities are in order and that the time will come when it is possible for me But I thought it would be interesting ot bring it up as a topic.

I find that even in the most correct and pro family circles some women still maintain that they have to have their under 6 year old children cared for by someone else so that they can fulfill their desire to work outside the home. Often they say they need the money, but seeing as we have lived well off of under “the low income standard” for so long I don’t buy that idea. We don’t have an unusual amount of debt, we own our own cars, we have been able to travel, our children wear used clothes and but eat good healthy food. I know that it is possible to really need the money and have to resort to daycare, but I have yet to personally hear this argument from someone who trully needs the money.
No, I didn’t find it hard at all. They are young for such a short time. The career will always be there, the children will not. Yes, sometimes I think about the things I could be doing and the accolades I could be earning, but it’s not worth the price.
 
I work outside of the home. Not because my husband and I are materialistic. We still rent, I shop at walmart and apprecitat hand me downs. I work to provide health insurance for my family. DH is self employed, and it would cost over $1000.00 a month for health insurance for my family. Sorry, but I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if my family was not insured. Also, I wouldn’t want to put all the pressure on my husband to provide for the family. I have an awesome career and feel the need to help him provide. Everything is so expensive. I want to pass out whenever I see how much I spent for groceries every week.

My daughter is 2 years old and is flourishing. She gets lots of love, not only from DH and I but from her daycare provider. She loves the interaction with the other children. She is happy, smart outgoing and affectionate.

I didn’t have her to just “drop off at a sitter”. Sometimes in life we need to do what we need to do. It’s not a perfect world, and we can only do the best we can.
 
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ladylady:
Objectively speaking, a motehr’s place is with her children, raising them.
This is, of course, personal opinion and choice. If this is what works for your family, fantastic. It does pain me when some people turn this opinion into a type of gospel - daycare is not sinful, the 11th commandment is not “thou shalt be a stay at home mom” 🙂
 
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kage_ar:
This is, of course, personal opinion and choice. If this is what works for your family, fantastic. It does pain me when some people turn this opinion into a type of gospel - daycare is not sinful, the 11th commandment is not “thou shalt be a stay at home mom” 🙂
I agree. After 17 years of remaining home, I am considering returning to school for my degree. I wouldn’t exchange the years home with my kids for anything in the world. But I do understand that other women have made decisions based on their own families and personal desires.

We can’t put others into a box. All of us have unique personalities and needs. Most women are better nuturers then** most** men, but this isn’t always the case. Some husbands would be better at home keeping the children.

I’ve also known women who seemed to become better mothers when they had outside jobs. I don’t know why this is, but it is true. I once lived next door to a social worker and mother of two children, a teenager and a two year old. As long as she worked outside the home, she was fine. When she quit her job to stay home with her son, she became the most depressed, bitter woman that I have ever met. Finally, she went back to work and the equillibrium in her life seemed to return.
 
Is it hard to stay home and keep the hearth warm when wordly success beckons?

For me, worldly success is staying home and keeping the hearth warm.
 
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IanS:
I agree LSK. That’s why I carry lots of life insurance on myself (maybe a little too much). Of course, I also trust that my wife won’t be tempted to “take me out”. 😃
Absolutely. You need to make sure you have ten times your needed annual income in life insurance so that if one spouse dies, the other doesn’t have to worry about where their income is coming from. I know that if something happens to me or my husband no-one will be forced out to work. We’ve already provided for that possibility. If my husband can’t work, there is income protection insurance. Forward planning is essential for any family.
 
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sanctareparata:
There is also such a thing as just anger.

There is nothing wrong with being angry that several people I know dump their kids in daycare for no reason whatsoever (Dad makes over $50,000 alone) and feel absolutely no qualms about it. I never said I didn’t pray for those people or try to convince them in a loving manner how to think about their decisions differently. Your emails sound accusatory, whether you intend them to be or not.
Feelings can’t be helped. There is nothing immoral with feeling anger at seeing children being denied nurturing. That is not what I am saying*. *It is natural for a woman sensitive to the needs of children to feel outrage if she believes she sees children being given short shrift. The outrage needs to be channelled carefully, though, to avoid sin. It is not spiritually safe nor morally allowable for SAHMs to judge working mothers.

For instance, there is something wrong with nursing anger towards others, even if they are in serious sin. It does not matter if your contention that others are “dumping them for no reason whatsoever” and that they “feel absolutely no qualms about it” is true or not. When presented with the woman* caught in adultery*, Jesus invited the one without sin to cast the first stone. Then He, the only one without sin present, told the woman plainly that He did not condemn her, even while directing her to avoid that sin in the future. Even when hanging from the Cross, He did not condemn. That is to be our path, too. We are not allowed to condemn others, no matter what.

The discussion at hand is recognizing and handling the particular temptations that SAHMs are faced with. Sitting in judgement or wallowing in envious or angry feelings towards working mothers are just a few of them. Resenting those who work outside the home for their free time, their daily contact with other adults, the intellectual nature of their work, their extra money, and their status are some more. These temptations don’t need to have a basis in reality to be dangerous. As we all know, the devil is a liar, and does not ensnare using the truth.

How we deal with these temptations is not a trivial matter, and admitting that they are temptations toward serious sins is the first step in doing battle with them. I will repeat: to willfully remain in the habit of judging others is to fail in our own duty to model the Christian faith to our children. We cannot help but have faults, but we should not teach our children that we can rest safely while submitting to them.

To help in this, let me give the example of a woman I know. When I was a teen, I babysat for her children for the summer. The children were four and two at the time. Her husband was an attorney in private practice, and he made a good income. They went on nice vacations and seemed to want for no material thing, which made her frugality in small matters seem very odd. It would have been easy to think that they could have afforded having her stay home from work, or at least that she didn’t need to be such a penny-pincher.

Twenty years later, the truth came out. Her husband’s spending habits had been entirely out of control. Had she not kept working full-time, it is unlikely that they would have had health insurance, could have made their mortgage payments, or would have had anything saved for retirement, let alone been able to send their children to Catholic schools. None of us knew because this woman was too discrete to trumpet her husband’s faults to the rest of the world in order to make people think better of her choices to work full-time and save money where she could.

I also know of women who live on family farms. They work because the family needs the health insurance and the steady income to weather the bad years. Yes, they could sell the farm and the husband could provide for them by getting a job in town. In that case, though, they’d be trading having Mom home with the kids when they were little for having the children growing up with a chance to do meaningful work beside their dad, from gradeschool through adolescence and into adulthood. Instead, they decide that having the little ones stay with grandma or Mrs. Jones, the neighbor who’s in the same boat, is a better way to go.

The subject of whether it is wrong to be a working mother when you have young children has been beaten to death on this forum. Let’s get the thread back to the beams in our eyes and keep it off the splinters in theirs.
 
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BLB_Oregon:
I will repeat: to willfully remain in the habit of judging others is to fail in our own duty to model the Christian faith to our children. We cannot help but have faults, but we should not teach our children that we can rest safely while submitting to them.

The subject of whether it is wrong to be a working mother when you have young children has been beaten to death on this forum. Let’s get the thread back to the beams in our eyes and keep it off the splinters in theirs.
I agree with the reply I quoted excerpts from above.

This thread is valuable to me as it has shown me the beams in my eyes. Even though I still think I am making the best choice in my own situation, I think I will be able to listen to another woman tell me that she feels good about working outside the home without thinking uglu judgemental thoughts.

I know for me it would be difficult to deal with my children if I had a job outside the home. I am not very patient by nature and being exposed to them 24 hrs a day helps me be more patient. When I worked on my thesis for 6 weeks and my mother cared for them I had no desire to listen to their whining when I got home from 10-12 hours of hard mental work. I did not have the joy of being with them all day and seeing their sweetness so I had less patience when they needed it.

SAHM-hood should be promoted as a valid way of life, but not to the extent of bashing others. I know many of us are hurt by people who look down on SAHMs, but we are queens of our castle and we need not stoop down to mock those who do not see it. Christ did not argue with those who laughed at him about being a king.
 
BLB Oregon - I’m really getting tired of you quoting my posts and then implying that I’m being judgemental and passing off my “bad attitudes” onto my children. That is a judgement you’re making on YOUR part about me, FYI. One can judge actions, just not intents or the state of one’s soul. I’m through discussing this with you; obviously you’re too pious for the likes of someone like me.
 
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sanctareparata:
BLB Oregon - I’m really getting tired of you quoting my posts and then implying that I’m being judgemental and passing off my “bad attitudes” onto my children. That is a judgement you’re making on YOUR part about me, FYI. One can judge actions, just not intents or the state of one’s soul. I’m through discussing this with you; obviously you’re too pious for the likes of someone like me.
I will have to reread all the post, but I didn’t get the impression that she was attacking you personally. Sometimes people use other people’s quote merely as a jumping off point to their thoughts. It isn’t meant as a personal judgement on the individual.
 
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sanctareparata:
BLB Oregon - I’m really getting tired of you quoting my posts and then implying that I’m being judgemental and passing off my “bad attitudes” onto my children. That is a judgement you’re making on YOUR part about me, FYI. One can judge actions, just not intents or the state of one’s soul. I’m through discussing this with you; obviously you’re too pious for the likes of someone like me.
Clearly, we each misunderstand the intent of the other. I tried to point out that while there is nothing wrong with feeling angry or being faced with temptations, there is something wrong with nursing anger or resting in any other sins… and so and and so on, blah, blah, blah. You cannot possibly be the only one tired of hearing it.

I have no idea what the state of your soul is, and even if I knew it to be in mortal danger, I’d have no cause to condemn you, knowing where my own soul is. My intent was to point out the dangers that we face, ones that I fully admit that I fall prey to. Forgive me if you felt personally attacked.

I think you’re wise to suggest that we part company praying for each other and leave it at that. I will try to do better in the future. Maybe our discussion will work out better next time.
 
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IanS:
I agree LSK. That’s why I carry lots of life insurance on myself (maybe a little too much). Of course, I also trust that my wife won’t be tempted to “take me out”. 😃
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I think you are very wise, though, because anything can happen. And if a family is in the position of providing for those possibilities, and allow for the mother or father to be able to stay home with the kids then that’s great. I know that my brother’s inlaws were able to do so - people made fun of his late father-in-law about ‘having his insurance insured’ but he believed in being as careful as he could and when he died, unexpectedly at a young age, his wife was taken care of enough so that she had a cushion while she went back to work.

And I think you are a pretty darn good example of a careful and loving husband!
 
I have been stalking these forums for quite some time; I’m not really into the whole discussion thing but do like to read what others have to say. This subject caught my attention so I thought I’d just jump in and share a few things.

I have worked in many day care centers in different states. They have all been licensed, quality care centers with great staffing and great activities for the kids. However, there was always one problem – Mom was not there. (Or Dad for that matter). It became very apparent to me very quickly that these kids needed their moms. Let me explain:

Babies for one didn’t get a whole lot of one-on-one time or cuddling. They spent a lot of time moving about from one plastic device to another – first a crib or pack and play, then a bouncey seat, then a highchair for feedings, a swing, etc. Then maybe 15 minutes on a playmat or a few more minutes in an activity corral where they could crawl and play with the toys. Formulas were mixed up quite a bit, breast milk was tossed occasionally because one worker or two deemed that it looked or smelled “funny” – I was to blame for this as well (until I had my own baby and began nursing and realized that sometimes, yes, the milk certainly can look green and still be just fine!) and those bf babies were given formulas, without parental notification.

Toddlers were routinely overstimulated – not on purpose of course, but that is what happens. They had so much constant stimuli and not enough quiet time anywhere. It was either television or songs or games or activities or books or recess outside – on and on for hours. With a nap of course, but still, you could tell those little ones were just so tired in the afternoon and many zoned out. We’d get toddlers that would crawl off to a corner and sit alone, or cry occasionally, or just look out the window with pitiful looks on their faces. We of course, as the workers, would try to occupy them in still another activity or game to “fix” the problem.

One thing that was consistent in all the centers I worked for was this: NO CUDDLING NO HOLDING toddlers. No one wanted lawsuits. You could hold them briefly if they had a “boo-boo” but cuddling time by itself was a big no. Little ones would walk up to us with their arms outstretched wanting – begging – to just be held, but we’d just sit them in front of another game or another movie.

It was a job. To all parents out there who think that daycares are no big deal, and that your kids love them, I would love for you to be a little mouse in the corner and see what really goes on inside one. Sure, your kids may be taken care of, but they are not truly loved. No one can love that child like you do – no one. I truly believe there is a reason why so many full time working moms feel guilty about using daycare. They should feel guilty – they should feel a pang of hurt knowing that their children are being raised and watched over by someone else 8 to 10 hours each day. Even if they can’t fix the problem by quitting their job, it is still healthy to feel the guilt in knowing that it should not be this way.

Sin or no sin aside, daycare is a defect. It is a defect in society that tells women and sometimes demands that women work outside the home and leave behind their number one priorities. It is a defect in vocation because one of the primary goals of marriage is raising children. One cannot do that if one is not there. The dignity of marriage and motherhood is not served by mothers paying someone else to raise their child.

I am not accusing anyone here – let me get that straight. I am only pointing out that the daycare system and the American work system is greatly flawed. Governments should be encouraging moms to stay at home to raise the next generation rather than penalizing families with taxes that only hurt families. I blame most of it on the government and our materialistic society that makes it nearly impossible for some to NOT work.

I no longer work in daycares. I now have my own family and I was thinking about this issue the other day when my toddler daughter, teething her molars, wanted nothing more than to be cuddled all day long by me. She was miserable and whiney, and she constantly wanted to be held or read to. It dawned on me that if she was in a daycare, she would have been very much left alone to her own pain and misery. I would not have been there and she would have had no one to just stop everything and hold her for as long as it took for her to feel a bit better. It broke my heart to think that.

My only hope is that moms who desire the daycare option out of want, not out of necessity, really stop and think about it. Think about the cost to your child. Read DAYCARE DECEPTION – great book that got even rave reviews from liberal feminists! I like what an earlier poster said about letting one flower die so another can grow. That pretty much sums it up!

Peace, all!

I think I’ll vanish now and go back to stalking…… 🙂
 
You are quite welcome at these forums and thank you for your insights. I have to say they are quite disturbing, though not surprising to anyone who has gone through the process of raising a child.

During the years I worked and my kids were little, we had a nanny in our home–I couldn’t bear the thought of jacking the kids out of bed and rushing them off to some day care center at 7:30 am. As time went by I also couldn’t bear the thought of someone else doing all the things with them I wanted to do. Our nanny was amazing and we all came to love her like a member of the family and we still visit, exchange news and gifts regularly even though it’s been 5 years since she worked for us. She was so good with my girls there were times when I thought she was a better parent than me. But once our 3d came along, there was no way I could go back to work and have never really looked back.

I know full-time SAHMotherhood is not for everyone–it was quite a challenging transition for me even wanting to be there. I also think there are ways to balance some careers with parenting in ways that neither suffers. I also know that financial concerns limit the choices for many. I am grateful every day for my husband’s hard work and his dedication, first to his education and now to his career. It has allowed me the flexibility to choose to parent in the way that works best for us without the pressure of having to meet career demands on top of parenting obligations.
 
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LydieLee:
Sin or no sin aside, daycare is a defect. It is a defect in society that tells women and sometimes demands that women work outside the home and leave behind their number one priorities. It is a defect in vocation because one of the primary goals of marriage is raising children. One cannot do that if one is not there. The dignity of marriage and motherhood is not served by mothers paying someone else to raise their child.

I am not accusing anyone here – let me get that straight. I am only pointing out that the daycare system and the American work system is greatly flawed. Governments should be encouraging moms to stay at home to raise the next generation rather than penalizing families with taxes that only hurt families. I blame most of it on the government and our materialistic society that makes it nearly impossible for some to NOT work.

I think I’ll vanish now and go back to stalking…… 🙂
Not so fast 😉

You have a great perspective on this, on the reality of the problem. What do you think SAHMs should be doing to help their sisters who leave their kids in the care of others? This needs a new thread, as the positive things we could be doing is really a different subject than dealing with the temptations we face… anyone interested, please chime in on the new thread.
 
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BLB_Oregon:
Not so fast 😉
…What might we SAHMs do… and keep in mind, we need to do it in such a way that the moms getting paychecks and the moms not getting paychecks will be pushing in the same direction.

Ideas? All are invited to chime in. (Not all at once, now.)
Boy…you’re brave. All too often I have witnessed less cooperation and far more animosity between the SAHM and career mom camps. Somehow it seems one group always feels they are being either taken advantage of or demeaned by the other.

That said, I sometimes think the best approach is a simple gesture of kindness or thoughtfulness offered to another mom. We all need the support of our friends and family from time to time no matter how we parent. Being there and cheerfully doing something like making a meal, inviting a friend’s kids over for a playdate, driving both ends of the carpool, to help when there’s a new baby, a death in the family, a serious injury or illness, etc… can be a very sisterly gesture of support. One of my best friends used to just drop by on occasion in the morning with a steaming hot cup of coffee and a fresh roll–for no other reason than to let me know she was thinking of me and wanted to get my day off to a good start. It was such a simple, but loving gesture–and never failed in its purpose.
 
As a man, I never quite understood why a woman would feel the need to earn a wage in order to feel valued. When I look at the headlines in the newspaper, it is clear to me that what this country needs most is not better doctors, better accountants, or better lawyers, she desparately needs better housewives!

Just think how different things would be if today’s crooks (both white collar and otherwise) had a mother that whupped 'em into line, dragged 'em to daily mass, and drilled into there brains what really matters in life.

When I get the money together (don’t hold your breath) I’m going to have a figure of a mother and child carved out of a mountain out west somewhere, and I’ll put a big statue of another mother and child situated to cast its monumental shadow right over the statue of Liberty. And my last dollar would be spent erecting a huge marble statue of a woman in an apron, arms folded, with a wooden spoon in hand, situated so her penetrating glare is fixed right on Capital Hill in D.C.
 
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LydieLee:
One thing that was consistent in all the centers I worked for was this: NO CUDDLING NO HOLDING toddlers. No one wanted lawsuits. You could hold them briefly if they had a “boo-boo” but cuddling time by itself was a big no. Little ones would walk up to us with their arms outstretched wanting – begging – to just be held,
How horrible. I wonder what this does to the developing mind of the child?

Wasn’t there a famous study that showed that children who do not get enough cuddling and holding can die from lack of affection?
 
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deb1:
How horrible. I wonder what this does to the developing mind of the child?

Wasn’t there a famous study that showed that children who do not get enough cuddling and holding can die from lack of affection?
I’ve heard that the little ones who poop in their pants are sent to the bathroom with some wet wipes by themselves in the hope that they might be able to clean up the mess themselves because the teachers are not allowed to touch their bodies 😦 If they can’t handle it, the parents are called.
 
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