Is it immoral to buy used books or CDs?

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Catholic authors and speakers make their living from selling their books and CD sets. If we buy them used, the authors and speakers receive no compensation for their work. Are we stealing their livelihood and undermining evangelization and apologetic efforts by buying used books or CDs?
 
Catholic authors and speakers make their living from selling their books and CD sets. If we buy them used, the authors and speakers receive no compensation for their work. Are we stealing their livelihood and undermining evangelization and apologetic efforts by buying used books or CDs?
This is a question posed time and again, especially in the Fall, when college students purchase for the impending semester. Authors complain about lost royalty income when someone buys a used book rather than a new one. Students on a budget are slammed with outrageous costs for books that get used for a single semester, then never needed again.

My view: Textbook authors are rarely “just an author.” They could hardly author a worthwhile textbook if they weren’t currently immersed in the topic of the book; those who are currently immersed in the topic, are usually well-paid University professors (if they weren’t, their works wouldn’t be credible) and have already been compensated, maybe even overcompensated, when their book is published. Frankly, I hardly think an author should complain about people buying a “pre-owned” copy of his book; having someone seeking the author’s work ought to be reward aplenty to the author.

To answer your question directly: The original purchaser of the piece of media has already compensated the source when he paid for such media. Re-selling a no-longer-used book or CD is simply an economically and ecologically justification.

(MY OWN viewpoints alone. Your mileage may vary.)
 
Catholic authors and speakers make their living from selling their books and CD sets. If we buy them used, the authors and speakers receive no compensation for their work. Are we stealing their livelihood and undermining evangelization and apologetic efforts by buying used books or CDs?
Once the book has been bought, the Author has been paid, if the purchaser then wants to give the book as a gift to, or sell on to another person the Author is not a relevant economic agent and should not be included in the transaction :: unless there is a violation of copyright (selling printouts, etc.)
 
Once the book has been bought, the Author has been paid, if the purchaser then wants to give the book as a gift to, or sell on to another person the Author is not a relevant economic agent and should not be included in the transaction :: unless there is a violation of copyright (selling printouts, etc.)
Agreed. If we believed that authors were being “robbed” every time a used book or CD is sold, then in order to be consistent to that logic, we’d also have to shut down every library.

For the record (no pun intended), I belong to a website called Swaptree.com, in which people trade old CDs and as an avid record collector, I regularly by used records.
 
Not immoral! Buying used books and CDs cuts down on waste.

If you think a particular Catholic writer or speaker needs more support from you, send him or her a donation over the internet.
 
Is it immoral to buy a used refrigerator…bed…coffee table…lamp…car…computer?

Many are trademarked…patented

The difference is you are not copying them. That is what the Copy Right Laws Protect
 
Authors, I’m pretty sure, get paid upfront for their work. Like, if you wrote a book and turned it in to the publisher, they’d pay you and then publish it. I think that’s how it works.

I’m also under the impression that at one point a book store bought that book to sell it, and so the author got royalties from that.

But I’m not 100% certain.
 
Authors, I’m pretty sure, get paid upfront for their work. Like, if you wrote a book and turned it in to the publisher, they’d pay you and then publish it. I think that’s how it works.

I’m also under the impression that at one point a book store bought that book to sell it, and so the author got royalties from that.

But I’m not 100% certain.
According to my brother, who is a published author and also an editor, he receives a royalty from each book that’s sold at retail, as long as the book is “in print.”
The specifics are quite convoluted, but that’s roughly the way most textbooks work. Now, if you’re a best-selling author, like J. K. Rowling, or Louis L’Amour, or their like, they receive an “advance” based upon the expected book sale, as well as a royalty… and their contracts are even more complex than the “ordinary” authors’ are.
 
If I buy Patrick Coffin’s new book Sex Au Naturel from Emmaus Road publishing, he and the publisher make money. His ministry increases and I as a Catholic support him and the Catholic publisher. This is good. If the first thousand copies keep on being recirculated hundreds and hundreds of times, that is lost sales, lost support and in a sense an undermining of his livelihood. Is this moral? Other people make money off of the used book sale of his book, not Mr. Coffin. Is this moral? Is this just? Is this ethical?
 
The “first sale doctrine” in the United States allows lawful owners of copyright protected books and CDs to transfer (by sale or gift) without permission or any further payment of royalty.

Now, this is not a new doctrine – this has been recognized by the Supreme Court since 1908 (and is codified in the Copyright Act of 1976 as well).

So anyone publishing in the US is aware of the rules – and thus implicitly consents to them. This is part of the compromise made in receiving an exclusive copyright franchise. It is hardly unethical to exercise it – all parties involved were aware of the rules.

If you feel that buying used goods was unethical, then you would also be compelled to believe that libraries (public libraries, school libraries, church libraries, university libraries) are unethical as well (in US law, this is the fair use doctrine, and is stronger than the first sale doctrine). Indeed, you might even argue that teaching is unethical as well, since teachers often present material gathered from other sources and present it to students.

But all civilized societies, and all religions, and all schools have recognized the value of both libraries and teaching. This seems to be a universal value. This strongly suggests that there is nothing inherently immoral about either the first sale or fair use doctrines, and therefore we should obey the law of the land.
 
Abortion is legal. I’m not talking legal, I’m talking moral-- good or bad, and ethical-- right or wrong. Oh! your reply was well written and I enjoyed it.
 
There’s a difference between distributing (aka illegal downloading) and reselling- the publisher made a transaction: one book/CD for some money. You may do whatever you please with said object, aside from copy and distribute it. (ripping the CD is licit as well- so long as it is not distributed)

Legal and moral are just about the same here- if I sell you something and tell you that you can make and distribute copies, then doing so is not a sin. That’s called giving you the right to distribute it. The issue is that you can’t violate the terms of your agreement.
 
The “first sale doctrine” in the United States allows lawful owners of copyright protected books and CDs to transfer (by sale or gift) without permission or any further payment of royalty.
I was just about to say First Sale Doctrine. The author gets paid for books he sell and that is what is fair and just. It’s unjust and outright totalitarian (and I am not a person who ever uses terms like that) to say that they’re control should extends past the sale when they get their fair payment.
 
I need to be more direct. Buy a new book, not a used book. Aren’t we supposed to support our Catholic authors and speakers? If you buy a book keep it. Let others buy new books and we will increase our evangelistic and apologetic base. These people need to make a living; they have families also.

Now please explain to me from a moral or ethical dynamic why the above statement is intellectually defective. I’m not interested in United States law. I’m interested in doing God’s will. Remember: nuclear war, abortion, pornography, eating in a restaurant, driving a car and mowing a law are all legal based on US law. Are the good and right. Explain the goodness and rightness of buying used books.
 
I need to be more direct. Buy a new book, not a used book. Aren’t we supposed to support our Catholic authors and speakers? If you buy a book keep it. Let others buy new books and we will increase our evangelistic and apologetic base. These people need to make a living; they have families also.

Now please explain to me from a moral or ethical dynamic why the above statement is intellectually defective. I’m not interested in United States law. I’m interested in doing God’s will. Remember: nuclear war, abortion, pornography, eating in a restaurant, driving a car and mowing a law are all legal based on US law. Are the good and right. Explain the goodness and rightness of buying used books.
Why do you have an obligation to support the author rather than the person who bought the book and no longer has a use for it? Do you feel that we are being mean to car companies when we buy used cars because they suit our needs?
 
I work for a media company. Once one of our books are sold, we never see it again. I’ve seen our books in Used Bookstores. There is no moral or ethical problem.

The same goes for CDs.

God bless,
Ed
 
I need to be more direct. Buy a new book, not a used book. Aren’t we supposed to support our Catholic authors and speakers? If you buy a book keep it. Let others buy new books and we will increase our evangelistic and apologetic base. These people need to make a living; they have families also.
You’re trying to make a sort of hybrid between moral laws and free market economics. The author makes a living by people buying his books, but if no one is buying his books then there’s nothing immoral about that. It just means that he’s going to need to find something better to write about, or to be perfectly frank he’s going to need another job.

People don’t have the right (moral or otherwise) to their preference of work. I’ll use myself as an example. I’m an environmental engineering student and my preference would be to work in the environmental field. So far I worked last year as a materials tester and this year in water management and quantity monitoring. Which is close, but I’d like to get into more environmental stuff (remediation, cleanups, quality monitoring, that sort of thing). I don’t have the right to work in that field though; I’ll need to get hired by someone and make due in the meantime. There’s nothing immoral about that, it’s just life.
 
I need to be more direct. Buy a new book, not a used book. Aren’t we supposed to support our Catholic authors and speakers? If you buy a book keep it. Let others buy new books and we will increase our evangelistic and apologetic base. These people need to make a living; they have families also.
By this logic, each of us should really buy multiple copies of each new book. That would substantially increase the monetary contribution. Many authors only capable of writing one book every few years, so by purchasing multiple copies, we can help them achieve their goal of making a living.
 
I like your reply because it removes the discussion from the area of US law and draws it into the area of common sense. You gave me the answer I was looking for. Therefore, it is at least not immoral or unethical to purchase used books. Is it moral or ethical? I do not know. Thanks.
 
I work for a media company. Once one of our books are sold, we never see it again. I’ve seen our books in Used Bookstores. There is no moral or ethical problem.

The same goes for CDs.

Yes. This also makes sense. I was concerned about undermining evangelization and apologetics efforts. I likened it in my mind to borrowing a CD and duplicating it-- not buying it. However, I do see the distinction between selling a used book and “ripping” a CD. Thanks

God bless,
Ed
 
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