Is it imoral to use artificial death control to live past 120yrs?

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buffalo:
Does anyone yet see the correlation in cost to increasing our lifespan? Will it exponentially cost more for every year of increased lifespan? At what point will this pursuit consume all our resources?
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Hello Buffalo,

If I remember correctly, in 1970 America spent 7% of our GNP on health care. In 2000 America spent about 23% of GNP on health care and at its present, technology driven, exponential growth it is expected that in 2050 America will spend 50% of its GNP on health care. This is why we commonly hear of the term health care crisis in America. American leaders know that the technology driven immense finantial demands of health care can easily bring America to financial ruin, no matter how strong America is, unless we make some difficult changes.

Church leaders are fighting to have all removal of artificial life support deemed murder. Can you imagine a future with tens of millions of people in commas living in medical units for hundreds of years because of the thought it would be murder to do anything else? This along with people taking medications to live hundreds of years beyond 120 years of life because they feel it would be mortal sin suicide not to do all they can do to stay alive as long as they can in any condition at any cost.

Church leaders are going to have to start focusing on the true reality of the awesome power of modern and future medicine to keep people alive long after, possibly multiple hundreds of years after, God’s natural causes would have brought them to death. America only has a limited amount of finantial resources. Which is more Christlike to continue to spend some available tax dollars feeding the poor, foreign aid and welfare or to let healthcare, that beyond resonable attempts, devoure 100% of Amercan GNP to our and the world’s ruin?

If Church leaders decide that people must be kept alive as long as artificial modern medicine can take them, let us put this finantial responsibility on the Catholic Church so the Catholic Church first and foremost faces eternal damnation for not spending every available Church donation dollar on artificially keeping people alive unreallistically hundreds of years beyond death by God’s natural causes.

Peace in Christ,

Steven Merten

www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
I suppose that those who are in PERFECT health would want to pro-long their lives.
YET someone who is “brain damaged” can’t have her life extended?!! :banghead: :banghead:

I think THIS prolonging life can be compared to the Tower of Babel. The Pride of Science wants to determine HOW LONG HUMANITY WILL LIVE and take GOD OUT OF IT!

All I can predict, something will happen to prevent this because God will see that it will NOT happen!

Lord, Have Mercy on US All!
Edwin
 
(:bigyikes: )#The the Lord said: "My spirit shall not remain in man forever, since he is but flesh. His days shall comprise one hundred and twenty years.

(:bigyikes: )My spirit: the breath of life referred to in Genesis 2:7. His days . . . years: probably the time God would still let men live on earth before destroying them with the flood, rather than the maximum span of life God would allot to individual men in the future.

Jery / YBIC
 
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challenger:
There was a French lady who lived to be 130-something.
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And you want to know the secret…creme brulet (sp?) and olive oil :p.

Eamon
 
Steven Merten:
Hello Buffalo,

Church leaders are fighting to have all removal of artificial life support deemed murder. Can you imagine a future with tens of millions of people in commas living in medical units for hundreds of years because of the thought it would be murder to do anything else? This along with people taking medications to live hundreds of years beyond 120 years of life because they feel it would be mortal sin suicide not to do all they can do to stay alive as long as they can in any condition at any cost.

Church leaders are going to have to start focusing on the true reality of the awesome power of modern and future medicine to keep people alive long after, possibly multiple hundreds of years after, God’s natural causes would have brought them to death. America only has a limited amount of finantial resources. Which is more Christlike to continue to spend some available tax dollars feeding the poor, foreign aid and welfare or to let healthcare, that beyond resonable attempts, devoure 100% of Amercan GNP to our and the world’s ruin?

If Church leaders decide that people must be kept alive as long as artificial modern medicine can take them, let us put this finantial responsibility on the Catholic Church so the Catholic Church first and foremost faces eternal damnation for not spending every available Church donation dollar on artificially keeping people alive unreallistically hundreds of years beyond death by God’s natural causes.

Peace in Christ,

Steven Merten

www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
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Where did you get that information? Who exactly is pushing for this? The Catechism clearly statest that heroic measures are not necessary and that it is moral to refuse heroic medical treatments that just delay an imminent death.
 
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alyssa:
I have a NatioalGeographic from the 70’s which says by year 2000 we will have total weather control, and robot servents!
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Which issue? I have the entire NG Magazine collection since 1962. Which issue is it?
 
Yeah, theres’ a health care crisis, mostly promulgated by greed.
My husband just got out of the hospital – the doctors ordered a pressure relief mattress for him. The woman at the medical supply house said, “Don’t you want a hospital bed too? Would it fit into your bedroom? It would be so helpful.”
(At a cost of approx $1200 a month.)
I said, “No, we’ve only got Medicare, we’d have to pay a large % ourselves.”
She was shocked – the idea is that all the people who matter of course have excellent insurance. And that we can use it all we want, because the cost doesn’t fall on us.
Pure irresponsibility.
 
I don’t believe man will ever have the technology to keep himself alive indefinitely. Everything we build and create eventually crumbles. If we can’t indefinitely prolong what we make, why should be be able to keep ourselves alive indefinitely? Besides, with all of the advances in medicine, new problems arise from treatments. When was the last time you watched a prescription drug add? The possible side effects are often worse than the condition they’re supposed to cure! Not too mention that there isn’t really any data about the long term effect of man-made drugs on the human body.

Peace
 
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Maranatha:
You can purchase weathre modification equipment here: rain enhancement.
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Rain enhancement? Pray tell? Does it come in different colours? Irridescent? Sheets and Figurations like fireworks? What about thunder? Can you do something about thunder?
 
God will take you when He sees fit and no amount of “science” will stop it.
 
I don’t believe humans can live for more than 150 years
I do believe those who spread that humans can live for ever are also trying to sell their overpopulation/abortion/euthanasia propaganda
 
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Fox:
God will take you when He sees fit and no amount of “science” will stop it.
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I agree with that sentiment. I don’t think that it is (nor will it be) possible for an individual to live indefinitely. Curing diseases is one thing (and a good thing), but ‘artificial death control’ just doesn’t parse for me.
 
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Fox:
God will take you when He sees fit and no amount of “science” will stop it.
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Hello Fox,

Would you say that God will take you when He sees fit and no amount of “pro life” movement will stop God’s seeing fit to take a life in the womb through a woman’s choice of abortion?

When a woman aborts a baby or a murderer shoots his victim, I would not equate this as how “God sees fit to take you”. Mankind has the ability to make life and death choices. Living beyond 120 years through artificial death control is simply one of many life and death choices mankind must make. I do not seen mankind’s life or death choices automatically overidden by God’s will in the form of “as He sees fit to take you”.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
As we have seen recently, and have known since Cain & Abel, man can SHORTEN life, and we know modern medicine can EXTEND life a certain number of years, but not yet beyond the natural lifespan. I don’t forsee extending life beyond natural life span, primarily because that involves every cell in the body.
In general, we can say that it is imoral to shorten the life of an innocent person.
If artificially extended life ever did become possible, I believe the Church would declare it to be immoral.
 
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Strider:
As we have seen recently, and have known since Cain & Abel, man can SHORTEN life, and we know modern medicine can EXTEND life a certain number of years, but not yet beyond the natural lifespan. I don’t forsee extending life beyond natural life span, primarily because that involves every cell in the body.
In general, we can say that it is imoral to shorten the life of an innocent person.
If artificially extended life ever did become possible, I believe the Church would declare it to be immoral.
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Hello Strider,

I am sure you have read where science is far ahead of schedual on maping the genes for the human body. Science is finding those genes which cause us to age. Science has manipulated the enzymes which can cut and paste DNA strings. Science has not yet been able to reengineer the human body one cell at a time. However, judging from the incredible jump science has made in the last century, we can only estimate that the next century will see similiar logrithmic growth. Maby science cannot do it now but according to scientists, the cellular fountain of youth is on the horizon and within their sites. I am no scientific expert. However, from reading what the scientific speciallists have to say in medical journals, it is not to early to start thinking about the possiblility of some people living for many multiples of centuries.

I believe this is especially critical in such areas similiar to the papacy where normal life span is the only thing granting the Church a change in leadership. It has always been thought that death was when Jesus willed there to be a new Pope. If a Pope were to use futureistic artificial life extenders, Cardinals could literally be soon selecting the last Pope we will ever have in this millenium.

One might not think a scientific cellular fountain of youth or even the extension of old age as a significant issue, however it will change things drastically. I think that to think about these possibilities now is not to early.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
Scientists have never been wrong before? Death will never be optional.
 
I did not answer because I fall under “other”
I believe there will always be a natural process by which nature stays one-step ahead of man. God desires us to join him in heaven, and therefore we will always be one-step behind.
Viruses and bacteria always mutate thus keeping ahead of us. When we do conquer one illness, another one emerges. If people conquer death the world population will increase such that sanitation and epidemics will be the focus of major health problems like they were before the greater emergence of the current lifestyle health issues (example: poor eating habits, weight, physical inactivity leading to cardiovascular disease and diabetes.) Even risky lifestyle behaviors such as the spread of Aids and sexual promiscuity, smoking and lung cancer.

You will never control man’s free will choose actions that causes harm to their own body.

As I see it we may be able extend life initially, but not indefinitely, there will be something to bring things back into equilibrium even if it is the direct intervention by God.
~P
 
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Edwin1961:
I suppose that those who are in PERFECT health would want to pro-long their lives.
YET someone who is “brain damaged” can’t have her life extended?!! :banghead: :banghead:

I think THIS prolonging life can be compared to the Tower of Babel. The Pride of Science wants to determine HOW LONG HUMANITY WILL LIVE and take GOD OUT OF IT!

All I can predict, something will happen to prevent this because God will see that it will NOT happen!

Lord, Have Mercy on US All!
Edwin
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A few years ago there was a two-part TV documentary which suggested that it might fairly soon be possible to live to the age of two thousand. 🙂 I have difficulty imagining anything worse.​

Death made optional ? I don’t think so 🙂 ##
 
Steven Merten:
A recent medical journal indicated that by the year 2050 death will only be optional. The journal stated that medicine is advancing at such a rapid rate in the direction of extending length of life, that it will, no doubt, be able to keep people alive indefinitely by 2050.
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A few ideas:

1. “indefinitely” is not forever. Even if someone could live for 1000 years it is like one second compared to eternity.

2. In a time when we are confronted with a culture of death, for us to arbitrarily start setting limits on how long we feel is “too long” would be playing into the hands of the pro-death people who will say “hey, the Catholics are setting their limits on lifespan why can’t we - why can’t we say 80 is too old”?

3. If no immoral things were done to increase a person’s age - such as killing other embryonic human beings - then I say go for it: live as long as you can.
 
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