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Thomas Aquinas tried to give three good arguments against every theological position he held. On the existence of God he could only find two, the problem of evil and the fact that natural science can explain the world without reference to God.Just a quick poll.
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The wrath 13 of God 14 is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts 15 for the mutual degradation of their bodies.25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips30 and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.31 They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.32 Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Men do not have to persuade themselves that there is a God. They have to try to persuade themselves that there is no God. And no one yet, who has attained to such a temporary persuasion, has been able to find a valid reason for it. Men do not grow into the idea of a God; they endeavor to grow out of it.
The existence of “God” can be known by reason (as all great ancient philosophers demonstrated), but the identity of God beyond it being the “First Cause” and Absolute Being can’t be known outside of Faith.Thanks to everyone who participated.
To those who voted yes I would ask how can this be the case when so many perfectly reasonable and rational scientists not only reject the suggestion but don’t even believe in Gods existance? If this was put before a court of law would the case for Gods existance be proved beyond a reasonable doubt? What would the balance of expert opinion be? I would hope that it would be that it is a matter of personal faith and not something that can be said to be known.
I’m curious why you would think that? I am of the firm belief science cannot disprove God. I think Natural Law is God’s Law. God may use nature to enact His will, or He may use the supernatural.I would hope that it would be that it is a matter of personal faith and not something that can be said to be known.