Is it ludicrous to think that the world will remain Capitalistic?

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Are you suggesting that society be run by [the incompetent]?
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That’s already happening. We have people who think that spending more money than we make is okay, for one.

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but until then we need to do the best we can utilizing experts.
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:rotfl:

Yeah, what a swell job they’re doing.
 
It’s a hideous crime against humanity!!! Ask yourself: What are we doing to try and correct these types of atrocities?
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:hmmm: Well, let’s see…giving money to dictators who just spend it on themselves, their military and war and give it to their buddies (Say, doesn’t Washington already do a lot of that stuff…oh my!) while the poor still suffer but Western liberals get good feelings charging up and down their central nervous system not only because they are deluded into thinking they’ve “helped” people, but also because they don’t have to personally sacrifice of themselves!

Thus, in their worldview, they can have their cake and eat it too. They can serve both God and mammon! They’ve beaten the system!!..or havey they? 😛

Meanwhile, they are actually making the situation worse for most of the persons they claim to “help”.

But the results don’t matter.
The masses of people are unaware of the severity. Why? Few mention it. Why? It’s not just their political and economic system, it’s that the world has been silenced!
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:rolleyes:

It’s the information age. People know about it. Trouble is those who scream about it the most and try and convince everyone how much they “care” can’t be bothered to give out a few cents or junk in their closet they never use. They’ve always got some excuse.

Really, it’s ironic, but it seems to me that a lot of people who embrace socialism or marxism in the First World actually think they’d be getting more.

Those who truly want to give already do so.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Envisioning a political system based on ‘experts’ is closed-minded?
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Yes, it is, when you can see before your eyes dozens of examples of nations that tried this and failed utterly. When you continue to hold up the ideal when the real-life examples are utter failures, that’s close-minded.
 
dshix said:
Yes, it is, when you can see before your eyes dozens of examples of nations that tried this and failed utterly. When you continue to hold up the ideal when the real-life examples are utter failures, that’s close-minded.
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How many nations have this type of expertise available to them? The US for one, and it does have the CIA. Can you name another nation that has a true central intelligence based on experts and failed?
 
Robert_Sock said:
How many nations have this type of expertise available to them? The US for one, and it does have the CIA. Can you name another nation that has a true central intelligence based on experts and failed?
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Hee hee. I’ll do better than that.

Look at the UN. Therein lies collected a “superb” group of “intelligent”, “knowledgeable”, and “well-meaning” “experts”. Look at how horribly they have failed Europe as a whole.

The US, too. The liberals are gradually giving the government more and more power, centralizing the nation’s power in fewer and fewer hands. Look how that’s doing for us. Unemployment is going up. Food, gas, electric, and other living expenses are positively rocketing. Our freedoms are being hacked down one at a time.

Yeah. Your ideal elitist government is going perfectly.
 
dshix said:
Hee hee. I’ll do better than that.

Look at the UN. Therein lies collected a “superb” group of “intelligent”, “knowledgeable”, and “well-meaning” “experts”. Look at how horribly they have failed Europe as a whole.

The US, too. The liberals are gradually giving the government more and more power, centralizing the nation’s power in fewer and fewer hands. Look how that’s doing for us. Unemployment is going up. Food, gas, electric, and other living expenses are positively rocketing. Our freedoms are being hacked down one at a time.

Yeah. Your ideal elitist government is going perfectly.
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You try to paint such a gloomy picture using so few facts. People like to attack the UN, but it’s a functional and critical part of world cooperation between nations. It’s there because it has yet to fail, and world leaders welcome its influence in world peacekeeping.

Blaming all of America’s ills on liberals is scapegoating. It’s an easy to spot fallacy that reveals faulty logic in the writer’s argument.
 
Robert_Sock said:
You try to paint such a gloomy picture using so few facts. People like to attack the UN, but it’s a functional and critical part of world cooperation between nations. It’s there because it has yet to fail, and world leaders welcome its influence in world peacekeeping.

Blaming all of America’s ills on liberals is scapegoating. It’s an easy to spot fallacy that reveals faulty logic in the writer’s argument.
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Remember when the UN intervened in Rwanda to stop the genocide? That was genius. The expertise all around was stunning to behold.
 
Robert_Sock said:
You try to paint such a gloomy picture using so few facts. People like to attack the UN, but it’s a functional and critical part of world cooperation between nations. It’s there because it has yet to fail, and world leaders welcome its influence in world peacekeeping.

Blaming all of America’s ills on liberals is scapegoating. It’s an easy to spot fallacy that reveals faulty logic in the writer’s argument.
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You have said nothing meaningful. I have stated that the UN, which governs Europe, is failing, as can be seen quite obviously by the visible state of Europe at this moment. You have stated that the UN still placed a “functional and critical” role between nations… without giving any example that can back up that statement.

I concede that every institution has a purpose, but the UN has done far more harm than good in Europe.

This thread has done nothing but reinforce what I understand of your preconceived opinions.
 
dshix said:
You have said nothing meaningful. I have stated that the UN, which governs Europe, is failing, as can be seen quite obviously by the visible state of Europe at this moment. You have stated that the UN still placed a “functional and critical” role between nations… without giving any example that can back up that statement.

I concede that every institution has a purpose, but the UN has done far more harm than good in Europe.

This thread has done nothing but reinforce what I understand of your preconceived opinions.
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It’s you who is attacking the UN using you’re own thought-up criticisms.
 
Robert_Sock said:
It’s you who is attacking the UN using you’re own thought-up criticisms.
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That’s all you’ve got?

Where is your crushing evidence of the success of elitist rule?
Where is the proof that a government by a minority of “experts” is the best form of government?

Where in this world, now or at any point in the past, has this ideal worked?

Am I the only person who thinks this whole concept is a bit loopy?
 
dshix said:
That’s all you’ve got?

Where is your crushing evidence of the success of elitist rule?
Where is the proof that a government by a minority of “experts” is the best form of government?

Where in this world, now or at any point in the past, has this ideal worked?

Am I the only person who thinks this whole concept is a bit loopy?
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We’re entering a new age where economies need to be rebuilt to minimize greed, power and prestige. What I gave to you is a viable alternative, and you make like an expert on all your thought-up criticisms.
 
Robert_Sock said:
We’re entering a new age where economies need to be rebuilt to minimize greed, power and prestige. What I gave to you is a viable alternative, and you make like an expert on all your thought-up criticisms.
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Still nothing.

Robert, I think that this discussion no longer has anywhere to go, since you have nothing but words to throw at me. I’ll return if something interesting happens.
 
dshix said:
Still nothing.

Robert, I think that this discussion no longer has anywhere to go, since you have nothing but words to throw at me. I’ll return if something interesting happens.
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Your insistence that new political or economic systems cannot be taken seriously is ludicrous.
 
Robert Sock:
Your insistence that new political or economic systems cannot be taken seriously is ludicrous.
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I haven’t seen anything new that hasn’t been suggested in numerous freshman sociology papers before. That’s the problem.

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I dislike the term “Capitalism”!

It is a word coined by Karl Marx to define the Free Market.

I don’t like to have “opponents” defining terms.

When I say “Free Market”, I mean a full, pure, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez-faire Free Market, with a separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of Church and state.

In a Free Market economy, where no one or group can use physical coercion against anyone, economic power can be achieved only by the voluntary choice and agreement of all those who participate in the process of production and trade. In a Free Market, all prices, wages, and profits are determined…not by the whim of the rich or of the poor, not by anyone’s “greed” or need…but by the law of supply and demand.

A Free Market reflects all the economic choices and decisions made by all the participants. People trade their goods or services by mutual consent to mutual advantage, according to their own independent, un-coerced judgment. A man can grow rich only if he is able to offer better values—better products or services, at a lower price—than others.

The Free Market has been called a system of greed…yet it is the system that raised the standard of living of its poorest citizens to heights no socialist system has ever begun to equal.

Socialism is the doctrine that people have no right to exist for their own sake, that their lives and work do not belong to them, but belong to society, that the only justification of existence is service to society, and that society may dispose of them in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own collective good.

There is no difference between the principles and policies of socialism and those of any historical tyranny. Socialism is merely a system of absolutism without a leader. It is open to seizure of power by all corners, by any ruthless climber, opportunist, adventurer, demagogue or thug.

To this date, socialism has brought economic paralysis and/or collapse to every country that tried it.

I think it is ludicrous to think that the world would consider any economic system other than Free Market “Capitalism”
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
You might want to check with the people of North Korea.
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Why is that?? North Korea is a dictatorship, we are talking about socialism and capitalism here.

MANY mistake Dictatorship states for Communism and Socialism, quite frankly we havent had any country that was a true communist state, we’ve had a few that were close to social democracy, but not even socialism. Even Greece is mostly capitalist, China who call themselves communist are nothing but a dictatorship with capitalist principles.
 
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