Is it ludicrous to think that the world will remain Capitalistic?

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Maximizing profits at the expense of others (such as employees) is an inherent **EVIL!
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No self respecting Capitalist would ever do such a thing.

 

[hu324b]

Did you know that in some states it is against the law to collect or divert rain water that falls on your house or land - that it belongs to someone else - not to mention what a certain company tried to do in Bolivia - Capitalism at its finest

 

[Robert_Sock]

No self respecting Capitalist would ever do such a thing.

That’s ridiculous.

 

[holyreyes]

Wal-mart does.

Furthermore…nobody is suggesting we implement the full free-market economy and cut the weakest ones loose to fend for themselves. Our free-market capitalism allows us, as a nation, to be wealthy enough to provide a substantial safety net for those who cannot do for themselves.

Unfortunately this safety net is often so high that it serves as an incentive for those who CAN do for themselves to NOT do for themselves because it’s easier to sit at home and collect the goods that others produce.

Which leads us back to the poverty situation in America which is always relative. Again, if you want to get a good understanding of what “poverty” in America looks like, read: heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/what-is-poverty

There are strict rules and criteria for an individual to qualify for these welfare programs. It CANNOT be an incentive for those who can work for themselves to not work. You seem to be implying that people who are on welfare are fraudulent. Are you aware that there are people who have jobs out there, that are engaged in actively working and collecting a legitimate paycheck, and yet still need the assistance of food stamps because they simply cannot make ends meet on their current paychecks and do not want to watch their children starve to death? There are millions and millions of “working poor.” Not all working people can elevate themselves from poverty. Just about 99 percent of hard working workforce do not become rich… And that is reality under the umbrella of Capitalism.

 

[holyreyes]

The problem with the purer socialism is that it runs out of money and the common people starve. Look at Venezuela and Cuba.

The problem with the purer capitalism is that while the common people aren’t pushed to the brink of starvation the difference in the wealth of the classes causes the common people to despise their condition.

The only really equitable and moral government is one of capitalism with some social services for the most marginalized.

:dts: People in this country do not starve as you might think… Reposting this video youtube.com/watch?v=Ayptla7xk14

 

[holyreyes]

So you’re an anarchist?

hmmmm… maybe but i don’t believe in resorting into any violence… maybe im a religious pacifist anarchist. :newidea:

 

[holyreyes]

What do you mean by greed? Are people pursuing their own self-interests greedy? Do you not pursue your own self-interest?

Own self interest… hmmmm… It’s difficult to call that. I have some eduational and career aspirations and ambitions but because of life circumstances I am not being allowed to. What I am pursuing however can be summarized in this motto: “Ask not what the world can do for you but what you can do for the world.” Something like that. It should benefit importantly others as in all men.

 

[holyreyes]

What do you say to the Mormons who incorporate tithing into their church activities? What do you say to all the religious services where the donation basket is passed to each attendee?
Without money there would be no churches. Without money there would be no clergy.

“Churches” will always exist as well as clergy even without the existence of money.

 

[holyreyes]

I should have asked you: how do you know what God intends us to do? It sounds like YOU have “first hand information…”

What makes you think that? Maybe I DO!

Of course you don’t agree…you want something for nothing.

I do not believe nor do I advocate in “WANTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.” I believe in GIVING THINGS. I believe in "“To live charitably means not looking out for our own interests, but carrying the burdens of the weakest and poorest among us.” ー Pope Francis

 

[holyreyes]

The antithesis of LOVE is HATE not Capitalism. A social/economic system is incapable of HATE.

Yes, of course! But we are also discussing economic systems and how they can be antithesis to God. Since CAPITALism implies MONEY, It is the antithesis of LOVE which is GOD as said before in referencing to a biblical quote.

Capitalism is, in fact virtuous. It does not tell people to suffer, but to pursue enjoyment and achievement, here, on earth.
Capitalism does not tell people to serve and sacrifice, but to produce and profit.
Capitalism does not preach passivity, humility or resignation, but independence, self-confidence, self-reliance and, above all, Capitalism does not permit anyone to expect or demand, to give or to take the unearned.
In all human relationships, private or public, spiritual or material, social or political or economic or moral…Capitalism requires that men be guided by the principle of justice.

Well said. But here are just some of my problems with Capitalism. It promotes secularism. It creates a false sense of reality(fake world). It is intrusive and destructive to the environment. It grossly uses the natural resources to foster a lifestyle of greed, power and prestige. It destroys the intimate spiritual relationship between nature and man. It only sees the material earth no more than just resources for making profits. It is unpredictable, volatile, exploitaive, inefficient, elitist, imperialistic, bombastic, pompous, discriminatory to the vulnerable poor etc, etc, etc…

An “economic” system that does not give EQUAL “reward” to ALL men in not JUST.

 

[nmgauss]

“Churches” will always exist as well as clergy even without the existence of money.

How are churches built and maintained without money? How is the clergy maintained without money? Or maybe the clergy is supposed to resort to being mendicants? On the other hand maybe God can magically provide for the clergy and magically can build and maintain the churches.

 

[epan]

No political party or government can elevate people from poverty. Only a prosperous private sector can provide the jobs and means of increasing wealth.
A liberal/socialist government can make poor people very comfortable in poverty by taking money from others by force and providing for the poor. When more public provisions are made to people, the less they provide for themselves and become poorer (Dependence)
Conversely, if less was done for the poor, the more they would do for themselves, and become richer.

That is very true, Holyreyes…

But I, for one, have found it to be a difficult and expensive process to refine my own gasoline. I prefer to allow the Free Market to provide that staple along with countless other natural resources that I use to maintain my standard of living…I’m sure you do too.
You really should write a thank you note to Exxon every time you fill-up.

My dear friend…money has been around ever since a caveman carved out the first coin and called it “Wampam”. This old Earth of ours has gone round many times since then and mankind had certainly improved his lot in life. Count your blessings.
Like “Cash McCall” once said: “Money is nothing more than a means of keeping score.”

Read your history, and ignore the Murdock propaganda. You will find that a wealthy private sector exploits the poor, unless greed is regulated. Don’t take my word for it. Just turn off FOX and pick up any good history book.

Does history repeat itself? Yes.

Consider pope Francis’s opinions and compare them to the FOX/Murdock agenda. Decide for yourself which is true.

 

[nmgauss]

Read your history, and ignore the Murdock propaganda. You will find that a wealthy private sector exploits the poor, unless greed is regulated. Don’t take my word for it. Just turn off FOX and pick up any good history book.

Does history repeat itself? Yes.

Consider pope Francis’s opinions and compare them to the FOX/Murdock agenda. Decide for yourself which is true.

Can you cite a reference so I can confirm your point?

Have you ever looked for a job from a poor man? Only people with money can offer employment. Labor is a service offered to the person with money. Services are sold just like material objects. If the market is poor for labor, then wages are poor. The one who works for lower wages gets the job, thus competing against another who wont.

Are the unemployed exploited? If there are not enough jobs for people, whose fault is that? In the Deep South, rural people go hunting, fishing, and picking greens. If they have a job, so much the better. But nobody starves to death on that regimen.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Did you know that in some states it is against the law to collect or divert rain water that falls on your house or land - that it belongs to someone else -

Only a government would make stupid laws like that.
That is why we need less GOVERNMENT and more FREE MARKET.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

That’s ridiculous.

No it is not…

I am a Capitalist. I would NEVER do such a thing. Every Capitalist I know would never think of such a thing.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

What makes you think that? Maybe I DO!

I do not believe nor do I advocate in “WANTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.” I believe in GIVING THINGS. I believe in "“To live charitably means not looking out for our own interests, but carrying the burdens of the weakest and poorest among us.” ー Pope Francis

Very noble.
I consider myself a charitable person. However, if I did not look out for my own self interests…I wouldn’t have much to share.

I believe in “carrying the burdens of the weakest and poorest among us”, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them.

I do not believe that no one has a “right” to my benevolence just because they have less.

 

[dshix]

Well said. But here are just some of my problems with Capitalism. It promotes secularism. It creates a false sense of reality(fake world). It is intrusive and destructive to the environment. It grossly uses the natural resources to foster a lifestyle of greed, power and prestige. It destroys the intimate spiritual relationship between nature and man. It only sees the material earth no more than just resources for making profits. It is unpredictable, volatile, exploitaive, inefficient, elitist, imperialistic, bombastic, pompous, discriminatory to the vulnerable poor etc, etc, etc…

Not a single one of those claims is true. Prove to me how a single one of those things you mentioned is a problem caused by a capitalist economic system because it is capitalist.

All of those problems you mentioned sometimes occur in capitalist countries, but none of them are directly caused by capitalism. They are caused by people. Fallen nature. And, frankly, most of those problems are caused by liberalism, which often attempts to destroy capitalism at every turn.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[Robert_Sock]

No it is not…

I am a Capitalist. I would NEVER do such a thing. Every Capitalist I know would never think of such a thing.

You make capitalists to be saints, when in fact they’re usually greedy. Where ever a penny is be made, the capitalist will be there to exploit it.

 

[dshix]

You make capitalists to be saints, when in fact they’re usually greedy. Where ever a penny is be made, the capitalist will be there to exploit it.

That statement is absolutely false. Don’t talk like a bigot.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

You make capitalists to be saints, when in fact they’re usually greedy. Where ever a penny is be made, the capitalist will be there to exploit it.

There is that “G” word again…

I have shown you before that greed does not exist in Capitalism. Yet you persist in posting misinformation.

Don’t you realize that young people read this forum and because of uncorrected statements like yours…they become “brain washed” about virtuous economic systems.

Or is that your agenda?