Is it ludicrous to think that the world will remain Capitalistic?

[nmgauss]

You make capitalists to be saints, when in fact they’re usually greedy. Where ever a penny is be made, the capitalist will be there to exploit it.

Anybody who has a savings account is a capitalist. Are you saying that one cannot have a savings account without being accused of being greedy?

Anyone who contributes to a retirement account is a capitalist. Is that person greedy?

In order to give to the poor, people must have excess of income beyond their needs. Is that being greedy?

Was Bill Gates greedy? Today he is giving away millions of dollars to the poor.

 

[Robert_Sock]

There is that “G” word again…

I have shown you before that greed does not exist in Capitalism. Yet you persist in posting misinformation.

Don’t you realize that young people read this forum and because of uncorrected statements like yours…they become “brain washed” about virtuous economic systems.

Or is that your agenda?

I never conceded my view that capitalism breeds GREED! Simply saying it is not so does not change the fact.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Well said. But here are just some of my problems with Capitalism. It promotes secularism. It creates a false sense of reality(fake world). It is intrusive and destructive to the environment. It grossly uses the natural resources to foster a lifestyle of greed, power and prestige. It destroys the intimate spiritual relationship between nature and man. It only sees the material earth no more than just resources for making profits. It is unpredictable, volatile, exploitaive, inefficient, elitist, imperialistic, bombastic, pompous, discriminatory to the vulnerable poor etc, etc, etc…

Wow…you were on a roll…why stop? I’m sure you can add more than etc…etc…etc…

An “economic” system that does not give EQUAL “reward” to ALL men in not JUST.

There is no economic system that provides “equal rewards” and this hopeful theory of "equality " is a utopian wish.

Those who promote this “myth of equality”, propose to achieve this unattainable state by lowering standards…“some people should not earn more than others”. This flies in the face of reason and human nature. Would it not be a better goal to promote the raising of standards and encourage lower earners to earn more in order to gain this “equality”?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

I never conceded my view that capitalism breeds GREED! Simply saying it is not so does not change the fact.

You have never shown how Capitalism breeds greed or given any legitimate examples.

Don’t get me wrong…you are entitled to your view or opinion…even if it is wrong.

 

[Robert_Sock]

You have never shown how Capitalism breeds greed or given any legitimate examples.

Don’t get me wrong…you are entitled to your view or opinion…even if it is wrong.

There is a conflict of interest within capitalism, due to one’s desire to maximize profits, that breeds GREED!

 

[dshix]

There is a conflict of interest within capitalism, due to one’s desire to maximize profits, that breeds GREED!

Hogwash.

(Note: If you spew your opinion without adding anything to your statement to validate it, I’ll do the same. Your opinion has already been thoroughly refuted with ARGUMENTS in this thread, so there is no need for us to do so again.)

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

There is a conflict of interest within capitalism, due to one’s desire to maximize profits, that breeds GREED!

There is no conflicts of interest within Capitalism…there is robust competition that leads to better prices and value for all consumers.

You also have the wrong concept of profit. There is nothing wrong with maximizing profit legally. By that I mean cheating, stealing and extorting are wrong, But in a true Capitalistic economic society, individual rights and private property are sacred. Cheating, stealing and extortion occur when government begins to exert control.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Hogwash.

(Note: If you spew your opinion without adding anything to your statement to validate it, I’ll do the same. Your opinion has already been thoroughly refuted with ARGUMENTS in this thread, so there is no need for us to do so again.)

You sound upset. You asked for evidence on how capitalism breeds greed; I provided my argument and you call it: ‘Hogwash’ without any counter-arguments.

 

[dshix]

You sound upset. You asked for evidence on how capitalism breeds greed; I provided my argument and you call it: ‘Hogwash’ without any counter-arguments.

Are you kidding me? Seriously, is this just a complex leg-pulling exercise? That’s exactly what you do! You repeat the same argument over and over and over again, ignoring all contradictory statements.

And then you expect me to continue providing counter-arguments for you to ignore. Great.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

You sound upset. You asked for evidence on how capitalism breeds greed; I provided my argument and you call it: ‘Hogwash’ without any counter-arguments.

Sorry Robert…

You provided a biased opinion. No evidence. No argument. That is Hogwash!

I am open to any evidence or scholarly links that may support your position. In other words…why do you feel the way you do about Capitalism?

 

[CrossofChrist]

Within a large scale, it will be as humanitarian as its elected officials and its official governing principals… which are doable.

All you are saying is that socialism promotes humanitarian causes as long as those promoting socialism support humanitarian causes. All inherent flaws in socialism aside, based on your argumentation how can you criticize someone who supports capitalism if they do so to promote humanitarian goals?

 

[freeRadical]

There is a conflict of interest within capitalism, due to one’s desire to maximize profits, that breeds GREED!

I’m still waiting on your answer to my question on where are we going to find these angels that are going to organize society for us.

 

[freeRadical]

hmmmm… maybe but i don’t believe in resorting into any violence… maybe im a religious pacifist anarchist. :newidea:

Did you not post this?

freeRADICAL,

To answer your questions, one needs a RADICAL idea in accordance to the sacred scripture. It says in Matthew 6:24 24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." I say dismantle and deconstruct our government and economic system and serve God alone and put all of our trust in Him and let Him show us the way…

Sure sounds like anarchy to me. Now that you have criticized Capitalism, I would like to know what economic system do you think we should replace it with?

 

[freeRadical]

Own self interest… hmmmm… It’s difficult to call that. I have some eduational and career aspirations and ambitions but because of life circumstances I am not being allowed to. What I am pursuing however can be summarized in this motto: “Ask not what the world can do for you but what you can do for the world.” Something like that. It should benefit importantly others as in all men.

So, basically you are pursuing your own self-interest. You are engaging in the economic activities that you want to engage in, you are pursuing your own interests, your own desires. Who are you to judge someone else pursuing their own self-interest?

 

[freeRadical]

Yes, of course! But we are also discussing economic systems and how they can be antithesis to God. Since CAPITALism implies MONEY, It is the antithesis of LOVE which is GOD as said before in referencing to a biblical quote.

Well said. But here are just some of my problems with Capitalism. It promotes secularism. It creates a false sense of reality(fake world). It is intrusive and destructive to the environment. It grossly uses the natural resources to foster a lifestyle of greed, power and prestige. It destroys the intimate spiritual relationship between nature and man. It only sees the material earth no more than just resources for making profits. It is unpredictable, volatile, exploitaive, inefficient, elitist, imperialistic, bombastic, pompous, discriminatory to the vulnerable poor etc, etc, etc…

An “economic” system that does not give EQUAL “reward” to ALL men in not JUST.

Please give me an example of an economic system rewards all mean “equally”. And what exactly do you mean by “equally reward”.

 

[Robert_Sock]

All you are saying is that socialism promotes humanitarian causes as long as those promoting socialism support humanitarian causes. All inherent flaws in socialism aside, based on your argumentation how can you criticize someone who supports capitalism if they do so to promote humanitarian goals?

Humanitarianism within capitalism is going to be rather rare in comparison that which can be obtained in socialism.

 

[dshix]

Humanitarianism within capitalism is going to be rather rare in comparison that which can be obtained in socialism.

That is false.

 

[freeRadical]

Humanitarianism within capitalism is going to be rather rare in comparison that which can be obtained in socialism.

I’m confused. Haven’t the Popes and the Catholic Church condemned socialism? You wouldn’t disagree with the Church now, would you Robert?

 

[freeRadical]

Please give me an example of an economic system that rewards all men “equally”. And what exactly do you mean by “equal”?

 

[holyreyes]

Very noble.
I consider myself a charitable person. However, if I did not look out for my own self interests…I wouldn’t have much to share.

I believe in “carrying the burdens of the weakest and poorest among us”, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them.

I do not believe that no one has a “right” to my benevolence just because they have less.

I understand all of your concerns because our own world economic system does not allow us to be as charitable as we are called to.