Is it ok to advocate or agitate for women's ordination?

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Firstly: I am aware that women may not be ordained to the priesthood, and that it is highly improbable women can be ordained to the diaconate, either. I’m not asking whether they can be ordained. The answer is no. And I’m not advocating for it either.

I am asking instead about the various publications, institutes, and individuals who want the church to ordain women, and are actively “researching” the topic and agitating for it. Is doing so sinful? It certainly seems harmful, since there is the likelihood that others will be led into error.

But is it wrong to want to change church practice, even if its a hopeless cause? I’m sure some of the people advocating for women’s ordination sincerely believe that it would be possible if only the church would “come to its senses.”
 
If you are actively promoting dissension from the Church’s teaching, you are committing a sin.
 
Absolutely. Its advocacy against church doctrine passed down from Christ himself. No matter how many or who screams about it, it can not happen.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
If you are actively promoting dissension from the Church’s teaching, you are committing a sin.
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BenjaminJ said:
Its advocacy against church doctrine passed down from Christ himself.
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Thanks for your replies. I asked because I saw an add for something called the Wijngaards Institute on the National Catholic Reporter’s website, with a photo of a woman in clerical garb in it. I took a look at it, and it seems the institute is involved in research into women’s ordination, among other causes that might not qualify as orthodox.

I know a lot of Catholics read the National Catholic Reporter, so I wondered whether maybe that sort of advocacy might be permissible.
 
Advocating for something that goes against Church teaching is wrong.

Research & study is the only way people learn, so there’s nothing wrong with that. Scott Hahn did a tremendous amount of personal research (and prayer, which is also essential) before he eventually converted.
 
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The National Catholic Reporter is not Catholic. It was asked to change its name but did not obey. It is a dissident publication.
 
gama232 said:
The National Catholic Reporter is not Catholic. It was asked to change its name but did not obey. It is a dissident publication.
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Oh wow… in 1968!

I knew it was lefty but I didn’t think it was that bad.
 
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No, this is not okay.

Women will NEVER be ‘ordained’ in the Catholic Church. Any attempt to do so would merely be a false simulation.

It is never alright to promote dissention from the doctrines of Our Holy Mother the Church.
 
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It is probably a sin to agitate for women’s ordination to the priesthood, as this is a fixed doctrine and will not be changed.

Not sure about diaconate as there’s now another study group into it. I personally think this is a waste of time but the pope has ordered it so…fair enough.
 
I really don’t recommend “agitating” or “advocating” for something where the Pope has said “no”.
That could very well lead others into sin.
If one really sincerely thinks something should change, pray silently for the Lord to please guide his Church in the direction God wants it to go.
Which might not be the direction that the person praying wants it to go.
So the person should also pray that God helps them understand what is best.
 
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They are dissident.

They ran an article called ‘I’m a pro choice Catholic’ and bishops have been quick to condemn them.
 
1968 was the turning point in the US. The coordinated attack on the Church and on “conservative” America began in full force. Various “underground” publications were appearing to poison people’s thoughts.
 
I have read some of their stories. They have good writers but an anti-Church teaching bias is there. I did not know there was a Catholic Press Association.
 
Is women’s ordination really on a par with abortion, gay marriage, and pedophilia?

Those things are grossly immoral, whereas the ordination of women is hardly so. It’s simply not permitted.

The pope would never call for a commission to study those things… but he is calling commissions to study women in the diaconate.
 
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But is it wrong to want to change church practice, even if its a hopeless cause?
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Priestly ordination is not a “church practice”, it’s a sacrament instituted by Christ Himself, and the sacraments cannot be changed. You can’t use soda for Baptism nor change the words to “Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctified” instead of the Trinitarian formula. So WHY would someone advocate for changing the sacraments when they can’t be changed? 😱😫
 
No matter if the answer is, “Absolutely, positively, without any doubt, not the slightest snowball’s chance in the Sahara, IN summer, NO!
Someone will take a second, and reply, “Are you sure?”
Dominus vobiscum
 
gama232 said:
1968 was the turning point in the US. The coordinated attack on the Church and on “conservative” America began in full force. Various “underground” publications were appearing to poison people’s thoughts.
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  1. Two words: Humanae vitae.
That was the “wedge issue”. All else followed from it.

Aside from that, the thing to remember, is that ever since around that time, modern secular society has been absolutely hysterical (no pun intended) in demanding that women gain the ascendancy in all things, and in erasing every gender and gender-related distinction and barrier that can possibly be erased. In the eyes of the secular world, the Catholic Church is stuck in a bygone age, and this state of affairs simply cannot stand. The secular world cannot tolerate the idea of a male-only priesthood.
 
And somebody will, somehow, manufacture a snowball somehow, take it to the Sahara, in summer, show, “It’s not melting! That proves that the Church could change this!’
 
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