Is it OK to be a Pew Sitter?

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After years of being treated poorly by a succession of pastors (and watching others being treated even worse) and not wanting to be around those who clung so desperately to their lay positions in the parish while driving everyone away, I slowly became a “pew sitter.”

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When I see a line like this, I always wonder how? since I work closely with pastors and have worked with many, I am sorry when I hear a statement like this because it has set up a me vs the clergy mentality.
The pastor I work with now has made a number of changes in the parish with liturgy and faith foramtion. There have been a number parishioners who have been displaced from their positions because they did not want to coorperate with the changes he was making. I’m certain that they feel they were treated “poorly.”
The changes he made were necessary for conducting the liturgy in accordance with the GIRM and running formation as dictated by the Diocese. There are time that changes are made, we need to trust in the pastor that through pray and decernment that he is being lead by the Spirit to make changes for the better. Often those who think they have been treat badly are putting their own needs, wishes and power above the needs of the parish.
 
So my question is, is it OK to be a “pew sitter” at Mass? Is it OK to dodge/ignore requests to serve in liturgical ministries or in ministries outside of Mass? When I pray on it, it seems that it’s OK to be a pew sitter with one possible issue – if fewer people became pew sitters over the years, the Church might be in better shape today?

Any personal insights would be appreciated. Thanks.
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When I see a line like this, I always wonder how? since I work closely with pastors and have worked with many, I am sorry when I hear a statement like this because it has set up a me vs the clergy mentality.
The pastor I work with now has made a number of changes in the parish with liturgy and faith foramtion. There have been a number parishioners who have been displaced from their positions because they did not want to coorperate with the changes he was making. I’m certain that they feel they were treated “poorly.”
The changes he made were necessary for conducting the liturgy in accordance with the GIRM and running formation as dictated by the Diocese. There are time that changes are made, we need to trust in the pastor that through pray and decernment that he is being lead by the Spirit to make changes for the better. Often those who think they have been treat badly are putting their own needs, wishes and power above the needs of the parish.
Interesting comment. I agree but probably not in the way you intended. The easiest way to avoid all of this is to do what the OP is doing, and seek to find Christian work to do outside the parish structure. That’s the best way I’ve found to stay out of the wringer.
 
On the drive home from Mass this morning I was thinking about how my relationship with the Church through my parish has changed over the past decade. Not too many years ago I tried to be fairly active in my parish. I attended Mass of course, I facilitated a Bible study group and was involved with the liturgy as a reader and an EMHC. I also made it a point to attend parish BBQ’s (back when we had them), music events, stations of the cross, etc.

After years of being treated poorly by a succession of pastors (and watching others being treated even worse) and not wanting to be around those who clung so desperately to their lay positions in the parish while driving everyone away, I slowly became a “pew sitter.”

It wasn’t a conscious choice but my only connection with the Church today is strictly Mass on Holy Days of obligation and quarterly confession at a neighboring parish. When I hear the horror stories of what’s going on (or not going on) today, I can just let it go in one ear, grin, and then let it go out the other. I really don’t care anymore. Being concerned about such matters almost drove me away from the Church more than once and I’m just not willing to risk that anymore.

So my question is, is it OK to be a “pew sitter” at Mass? Is it OK to dodge/ignore requests to serve in liturgical ministries or in ministries outside of Mass? When I pray on it, it seems that it’s OK to be a pew sitter with one possible issue – if fewer people became pew sitters over the years, the Church might be in better shape today?

Any personal insights would be appreciated. Thanks.
I find this really interesting because I go through this sort of thing too.
 
You know when I joined the RCC ten years ago, I was all gung to do stuff. so what did I do - I prayed about it and read for two years. Built up my faith and knowledge. Then out of blue - an announcement in the bulletin and I began to read at Mass. Latter the DRE drafted me out of the blue to teach. God will make his will known when He is ready - all you must is say yes. Maybe this is your Ellijah moment - relax and eat under the broom tree or else the journey will be to much for you.

To tell you the truth I also read and EMHC, and I must admit there are Sunday’s when the best thing for me is to sit in the back row and just watch the beauty of the Mass unfold before me. Ahh the stunning beauty.
That is how got involved with our parish Library I was drafted to do it and it was perfect timing.
 
When I see a line like this, I always wonder how? since I work closely with pastors and have worked with many, I am sorry when I hear a statement like this because it has set up a me vs the clergy mentality.
And I am sorry to make such a statement but I’ll no longer simply ignore the truth. No longer will I show defference or respect to clergy simply because they are clergy. They need to threat me (and others) like humans, like members of the faithful and not as carrion. I think this problem has grown over the years here locally because clergy have long been treated as if they are beyond reproach and they are not. Far from it.

Clergy has failed to perform for a great many reasons over the years here locally from what I can see. One pastor was older and handicapped. He was difficult to deal with and opposed to any change. With him you just shrugged your shoulders. Others have had alcohol issues. Others seem simply not to care. And in the words of one visiting priest, some simply seem to be lazy, and I agree with him.
The pastor I work with now has made a number of changes in the parish with liturgy and faith foramtion. There have been a number parishioners who have been displaced from their positions because they did not want to coorperate with the changes he was making. I’m certain that they feel they were treated “poorly.”
Oh my gosh! I wish some laypeople around here would be asked to take a pew! That’s one of the most urgently needed things around here! A few years ago I was asked to take part in a series of parish/liturgical planning sessions. In essence fewer and fewer people were/are attending Mass and the downhill slide had been going on for many years. It began to concern the former pastor and the bishop.

We were taking part in a private roundtable, both the pastor and the bishop were there. I had just come from work and was in no mood to fool around. We were asked what it would take to re-kindle the Spirit at the parish. You can imagine the suggestions and the follow-on discussion. When my turn came I said something like:

“Find a bulletin from 10 years ago (about the time the slide began.) Note anyone that was on staff back then that’s still on staff today and replace them or eliminate their positions altogether.” I had done my homework before the meeting. There were seven such people and each one was very difficult to deal with and universally ineffective in their duties.

I can still remember the white/sweaty face of my pastor in response to my comment. Neither he nor anyone else had the courage to do what needed to be done and they knew it. Doing exactly what I said would have been a decent first step to actually renewing the parish.
The changes he made were necessary for conducting the liturgy in accordance with the GIRM and running formation as dictated by the Diocese. There are time that changes are made, we need to trust in the pastor that through pray and decernment that he is being lead by the Spirit to make changes for the better. Often those who think they have been treat badly are putting their own needs, wishes and power above the needs of the parish.
That all goes without saying.

On a brighter side we do have a parochial vicar that does all the great stuff a priest should do. He shows up early for Mass (even when he is not celebrating) and talks to people, especially those that do not flock around priests. So there is a glimmer of hope. In the mean time I simplu sit in my pew.
 
And I am sorry to make such a statement but I’ll no longer simply ignore the truth. No longer will I show defference or respect to clergy simply because they are clergy. They need to threat me (and others) like humans, like members of the faithful and not as carrion. I think this problem has grown over the years here locally because clergy have long been treated as if they are beyond reproach and they are not. Far from it.

Clergy has failed to perform for a great many reasons over the years here locally from what I can see. One pastor was older and handicapped. He was difficult to deal with and opposed to any change. With him you just shrugged your shoulders. Others have had alcohol issues. Others seem simply not to care. And in the words of one visiting priest, some simply seem to be lazy, and I agree with him.

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Particularly reasons we need to pray for our clergy. These men have given their life to the church and to God. they are not perfect, but Christ left His Church in the hands of men. Being a pastor is not an easy job, they are hit from all sides and it can become overwhelming.
 
Particularly reasons we need to pray for our clergy. These men have given their life to the church and to God. they are not perfect, but Christ left His Church in the hands of men. Being a pastor is not an easy job, they are hit from all sides and it can become overwhelming.
No, it’s not an easy job/vocation. But looking at my pastor today and the 3-4 that preceded him and given the size and prominence of my parish, I am truly amazed that God and the different bishops have not sent men that would be better shepherds.

Part of it is insufficient formation, part of it (in my parish at least) is having to deal with the “dug-in” laity, part of it has to do with intrinsic work ethics, and on and on. But I am still rather amazed at the performance of the different pastors that have been sent to my parish.
 
No, it’s not an easy job/vocation. But looking at my pastor today and the 3-4 that preceded him and given the size and prominence of my parish, I am truly amazed that God and the different bishops have not sent men that would be better shepherds.

Part of it is insufficient formation, part of it (in my parish at least) is having to deal with the “dug-in” laity, part of it has to do with intrinsic work ethics, and on and on. But I am still rather amazed at the performance of the different pastors that have been sent to my parish.
Performance is incredibly variable. There are programs now that some dioceses have put into place to educate the priests as to what they are supposed to do when they get in a parish, but performance is still incredibly variable.
 
Performance is incredibly variable. There are programs now that some dioceses have put into place to educate the priests as to what they are supposed to do when they get in a parish, but performance is still incredibly variable.
You’re simply adding another excuse for poor performance.

Of course some pastors will be better overall, and better at certain things than other pastors. While my parish had had some fairly good curates/parochial vicars over the years, we haven’t had a truly good pastor since the 1960’s.

Each and every one has been difficult. The parish continues to shrink in number. One of the biggest problems over the past 40+ years is excusing poor performance by clergy.

Priests spend many years in seminary. They spend years – often several years as parochial vicars. It’s sad indeed if this is not enough to ensure they know “what they are supposed to do when they get in a parish…”
 
Is is OK for you to be a Pew Sitter. Some priests can be difficult to put up with but then so can some parishioners who complain about everything. I am just getting tired of hearing the complaining about priests, pastors and bishops with them not here to defend themselves against these attacks.
 
Is is OK for you to be a Pew Sitter. Some priests can be difficult to put up with but then so can some parishioners who complain about everything. I am just getting tired of hearing the complaining about priests, pastors and bishops with them not here to defend themselves against these attacks.
I am long, long, long tired of members of the clergy not living up to their vocations AND having such matters quietly ignored because many feel clergy deserve a free pass. That mindset played a huge part in the pedophilia scandal.

I wonder just how many souls have wandered away from the Church over the past 2,000 years because they were treated poorly or with indifference by members of the clergy?
 
I am long, long, long tired of members of the clergy not living up to their vocations AND having such matters quietly ignored because many feel clergy deserve a free pass. That mindset played a huge part in the pedophilia scandal.

I wonder just how many souls have wandered away from the Church over the past 2,000 years because they were treated poorly or with indifference by members of the clergy?
This thread has gone from “Is it OK to be a Pew Sitter?” to complaining about members of the clergy. I’m done.
 
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