Is it ok to believe in Hades?

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If you’re talking about the Greek god of the underworld, no.

If you’re talking about Hell. Absolutely. Necessary, even.
 
If you mean the place of departed spirits into which Christ entered after His death, variously called hades or sheol, yes.
 
And if you believe in Hell…so do I. Jesus himself told us about it. However, too many people don’t believe in it, so they live their lives any way they want, rather than any way they should.😦
 
Let me clarify the belief. After one dies, they go to one place. They descend into Hades/Sheol the realm of the dead. Based on their actions they are damned for ever and are punished (Hell). Those that may be saved by Indulgences, Prayers for the Dead, and are being punished however looking for forgiveness and will eventually be saved (Purgatory). Finally those that led good lives and are enjoying reward in being with God (Heaven). After the Last Judgement people are judged and the damned go to Hell forever and the righteous Heaven (New Earth). Is any of this heretical?
 
Point taken Holden.(the painting)

Those three have to sleep somewhere.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Is any of this heretical?
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Yes.

By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ’s holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature.
CCC #1021

Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire
CCC #1035

Hope that helps.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Let me clarify the belief. After one dies, they go to one place. They descend into Hades/Sheol the realm of the dead. Based on their actions they are damned for ever and are punished (Hell). Those that may be saved by Indulgences, Prayers for the Dead, and are being punished however looking for forgiveness and will eventually be saved (Purgatory). Finally those that led good lives and are enjoying reward in being with God (Heaven). After the Last Judgement people are judged and the damned go to Hell forever and the righteous Heaven (New Earth). Is any of this heretical?
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Shades or Sheol is hell. There are two judgements. The private and general.

When one dies their soul immediately stands before Jesus in judgement. You go either to heaven, hel, or purgatory. This decision is forever. This is the private Judgement.

At the end of the world, the general judgement, Those who have died and those have not yet died all stand for judgement. The whole of humanity throughout history. Of coarse those who have died before the end of the world already recieved their judgement.
At this point the soul is reunited with the body. Those who go to hell are on the left and those for heaven on the right. Then everyone spends eternity in heaven or hell.
 
Buy purgatory isn’t permanent is it ? Isn’t it a place where those who die with venial sins are cleansed ?
 
saint_rafael said:
Shades or Sheol is hell.
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I like the rest of your quote.

The part I left in (above) I disagree with. I think Sheol/Hades is Purgatory. This is where the Blessed stayed until the Resurrection.

See this Wikipedia:doh2: link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hades_in_Christianity
The variously titled fragment “Against Plato” or “De Universo”, attributed to Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170 – c. 236), has the following: “Now we must speak of Hades, in which the souls both of the righteous and the unrighteous are detained. Hades is a place in the created system, rude, a locality beneath the earth, in which the light of the world does not shine; and as the sun does not shine in this locality, there must necessarily be perpetual darkness there. This locality has been destined to be as it were a guard-house for souls, at which the angels are stationed as guards, distributing according to each one’s deeds the temporary punishments for (different) characters.” It goes on to describe the wicked as tormented by the thought of the “lake of unquenchable fire” into which they will be cast on judgment day, while the righteous are in a place of light called Abraham’s bosom enjoying the blessings they already have and delighting in the expectation of greater.
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The Latin word infernus or “infernum” (underworld) indicated the abode of the dead and so was used as the equivalent of the Greek word “ᾅδης” (hades). It appears in both the documents quoted above, and pointed more obviously than the Greek word to an existence beneath the earth. Later, the transliteration “hades” of the Greek word ceased to be used in Latin and “infernum” became the normal way of expressing the idea of Hades. Though “infernus” is usually translated into English as “hell”, it did not have the narrow sense that the English word has now acquired. It continued to have the generic meaning of “abode of the dead”.
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The teaching of the Eastern Orthodox Church is that, “after the soul leaves the body, it journeys to the abode of the dead (Hades). There are exceptions, such as the Theotokos, who was borne by the angels directly into heaven. As for the rest, we must remain in this condition of waiting. Because some have a prevision of the glory to come and others foretaste their suffering, the state of waiting is called “Particular Judgment”. When Christ returns, the soul rejoins its risen body to be judged by Him. The ‘good and faithful servant’ will inherit eternal life, the unfaithful with the unbeliever will spend eternity in hell. Their sins and their unbelief will torture them as fire.”[14]
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Holden, I just realized the crucifixion of Peter is your signature.:o

I thought you were posting it to make a point. Seeing it, after your question in the OP, I was making a connection to your OP.

I don’t see how anyone who accepts the crucifixion of Peter as historical fact can deny the existence of Hell. And I thought that was the point you were making.

At any rate, it’s a powerful image.
 
I_Believe said:
Holden, I just realized the crucifixion of Peter is your signature.:o

I thought you were posting it to make a point. Seeing it, after your question in the OP, I was making a connection to your OP.

I don’t see how anyone who accepts the crucifixion of Peter as historical fact can deny the existence of Hell. And I thought that was the point you were making.

At any rate, it’s a powerful image.
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No I didn’t mean I was rejecting Hell I was asking about Hades/Sheol
 
Yerusalyim said:
Purgatory isn’t even necessarily a PLACE but rather a PROCESS.
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Yes that was my point. Purgatory is a state of being. Are Heaven and Hell a place or a state before the General Judgment. Are Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory merely states in Hades/Sheol. The Parable of Lazarus seems to point to this, as it seems that Lazarus and the Rich Man are in the same place.
 
holdencaulfield said:
No I didn’t mean I was rejecting Hell I was asking about Hades/Sheol
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Right, I know that. I meant that I thought you posted the image to support your belief hell exists.

It was the first time I saw the image on one of your posts, and it caught me off guard. I was trying to read what wasn’t between the lines I suppose :o

It’s a striking image.
 
cyberwolf001 said:
But that process has to happen somewhere right?
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Not necessarily…when we talk about time and eternity…“place” has little meaning. The Church is OFFICIALLY silent about purgatory being a place or that “time” is spent there…only that it’s a process…that process might be instantaneous…or purgatory might be a place where those suffering actually experience time…we just don’t know.
 
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