Is it ok to get married later in life?

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What is problematic here is the intent to never have children. Then how does one fulfill or discern the vocation to marriage?
The decision to remain single and chaste between the ages 20-50 is a total legitimate and good decision.

Does a person have to want children at this time? No.

Is a person obligated to marry during this time frame? No.

Two hypothetical people meet and decide they are willing to sacrifice marriage, and sex entirely for a 30 year period. They do not cohabitate, no unchaste behavior, no scandalous behavior. Perhaps very rare and odd, but not sinful.

At 50 they say, “we want to get married now.” In the Church. They can only make a marriage vow from that date forward. Is it a sin? Maybe a bit odd, but having had led a chaste 30 years is not an impediment to getting married. Not having wanted children in the past, is not an impediment. Or a sin.
 
The decision to remain single and chaste between the ages 20-50 is a total legitimate and good decision.

Does a person have to want children at this time? No.

Is a person obligated to marry during this time frame? No.

Two hypothetical people meet and decide they are willing to sacrifice marriage, and sex entirely for a 30 year period. They do not cohabitate, no unchaste behavior, no scandalous behavior. Perhaps very rare and odd, but not sinful.

At 50 they say, “we want to get married now.” In the Church. They can only make a marriage vow from that date forward. Is it a sin? Maybe a bit odd, but having had led a chaste 30 years is not an impediment to getting married. Not having wanted children in the past, is not an impediment. Or a sin.
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So if the search was started later with the purpose of avoiding kids and that happens to be a questionable marriage, how would the couple legitimize their marriage at that point? Would they even be able to? Or would they have to seek an annulment?
I am pretty sure that under the circumstance of intentionally avoiding the search until later and intentionally marrying a female after menopause to avoid children will be grounds for annulment. I think I saw a comment similar to marriage is not about children. Under catholic doctrine marriage is heavily about children because the purpose of marriage is to have children under the natural order of God and give the children abstable environment tongrow up. Hence getting married with the intention of not having children is grounds for annulment.
 
The decision to remain single and chaste between the ages 20-50 is a total legitimate and good decision.

Does a person have to want children at this time? No.

Is a person obligated to marry during this time frame? No.

Two hypothetical people meet and decide they are willing to sacrifice marriage, and sex entirely for a 30 year period. They do not cohabitate, no unchaste behavior, no scandalous behavior. Perhaps very rare and odd, but not sinful.

At 50 they say, “we want to get married now.” In the Church. They can only make a marriage vow from that date forward. Is it a sin? Maybe a bit odd, but having had led a chaste 30 years is not an impediment to getting married. Not having wanted children in the past, is not an impediment. Or a sin.
As I said before, a marriage in which the intention is not to have children under catholic doctrine is grounds for annulment. If what you describe here was intentionally done to not have children i.e. the decision to be chaste was based on the fact that the person does not want to have children but wants at some.point in the future get married to a specific peraon -then that marriage has a high likelihood of being not valid.
 
As I said before, a marriage in which the intention is not to have children under catholic doctrine is grounds for annulment. If what you describe here was intentionally done to not have children i.e. the decision to be chaste was based on the fact that the person does not want to have children but wants at some.point in the future get married to a specific peraon -then that marriage has a high likelihood of being not valid.
No, it doesn’t. If the couple intends not to have children during their marriage, and acts to prevent it, that may be grounds for a decree of nullity. But simply marrying when one is too old to conceive is not a ground.
 
I am pretty sure that under the circumstance of intentionally avoiding the search until later and intentionally marrying a female after menopause to avoid children will be grounds for annulment. I think I saw a comment similar to marriage is not about children. Under catholic doctrine marriage is heavily about children because the purpose of marriage is to have children under the natural order of God and give the children abstable environment tongrow up. Hence getting married with the intention of not having children is grounds for annulment.
No. They were single and chaste with the intent of not having children. They get married at a point where nature has removed that likelihood – but if they are willing to accept life if it should miraculously occur – there is no ground for a decree of nullity.
 
No. They were single and chaste with the intent of not having children. They get married at a point where nature has removed that likelihood – but if they are willing to accept life if it should miraculously occur – there is no ground for a decree of nullity.
If the intention of remaining single and chaste was to avoid having children to then married after menopause, yes that is grounds for annulment. Intention and premeditation is what counts here and that intention is the grounds for the annulment.

If the person decides to remain chaste out if believing in chastity and due to life circumstances doesn’t meet anyone adequate for marriage during the young years and then when that person is 55 happens to meet someone and they happen to click and want to get married then that is OK.

But if the person is delaying marriage intentionally because they are not open to children and premeditates the marriage after menopause with the intention if not having children, that is grounds for annulment
 
No, it doesn’t. If the couple intends not to have children during their marriage, and acts to prevent it, that may be grounds for a decree of nullity. But simply marrying when one is too old to conceive is not a ground.
This is completely incorrect as under catholic doctrine annulment has nothing to do with what happens after the marriage. The nulity is based on what is happening and the intentions at the moment of marriage and before. It is not the action taken durinnullitymarriage what the tribunal uses to declare nulity. The church tribunal looks at the conditions previous to the marriage to determine if at the moment of the marriage there was a valid marriage. And I didn’t say that marrying to old is grounds for nullity, read again. Marrying not being open to have children and with a refusal to have children is the grounds of nulity.
 
Most people who marry do not know whether or not they are fertile. Infertility is not grounds for annulment as long as the couple had intended to have children if they were capable. To purposely stack the deck severally against children with the hope that they do not miraculously happen is wrong. A couple who through no fault of their own cannot have children (age or medically) is free to marry. A couple who purposely avoids children permanently should not marry no matter how they go about doing so with no intention of ever having children has no business getting married.

People who through no fault of their own cannot have children are not purposely attempting not to have them. Most would love to have children. Infertility is a very heavy burden for those that experience it. Most have no idea that they will have trouble conceiving before marriage. Most plan to have children through their marriage. That is a big part of WHY they chose to marry. To choose to marry only after you are all but guaranteed that children will not occur simply for enjoying companionship and sex is trying to be sneaky. It makes a mockery of the sacrament.
 
So older people cannot marry if when they were young they stayed single and chaste because they did not want kids?

They have invalid marriages?

If you don’t want kids and stay single and chaste at 35, you have forfeited your ability to have a valid Catholic marriage?

It’s sneaky.

So why does the church permit anyone to marry over 55?
 
This is completely incorrect as under catholic doctrine annulment has nothing to do with what happens after the marriage. The nulity is based on what is happening and the intentions at the moment of marriage and before. It is not the action taken durinnullitymarriage what the tribunal uses to declare nulity. The church tribunal looks at the conditions previous to the marriage to determine if at the moment of the marriage there was a valid marriage. And I didn’t say that marrying to old is grounds for nullity, read again. Marrying not being open to have children and with a refusal to have children is the grounds of nulity.
I think you may be incorrect. All it takes for a valid marriage to occur is openness and sincerity at the time of the vows, nothing before or after is relevant.

Also, marriage isnt only about children, as the Church teaches.

Fuethermore, if people actively trying not to have children is wrong, then single chaste people are living in sin and those who practice NFP are also living in sin,according to your view.
 
This is completely incorrect as under catholic doctrine annulment has nothing to do with what happens after the marriage. The nulity is based on what is happening and the intentions at the moment of marriage and before. It is not the action taken durinnullitymarriage what the tribunal uses to declare nulity. The church tribunal looks at the conditions previous to the marriage to determine if at the moment of the marriage there was a valid marriage. And I didn’t say that marrying to old is grounds for nullity, read again. Marrying not being open to have children and with a refusal to have children is the grounds of nulity.
I don’t agree. The vows are the same. They are taken the wedding day. Having remained CHASTE is not an impediment to marriage. Everyone is supposed to be chaste.

The church doesn’t mandate marrying at all.

We are talking about single chaste people postponing marriage. Not cohabitating couples, not contracepting couples. Couples who obey the Church be remaining chaste until marriage and make vows to welcome children.
 
So older people cannot marry if when they were young they stayed single and chaste because they did not want kids?

They have invalid marriages?

If you don’t want kids and stay single and chaste at 35, you have forfeited your ability to have a valid Catholic marriage?

It’s sneaky.

So why does the church permit anyone to marry over 55?
Here is the thought process from the original post.

I don’t want kids.
I do want to be old with someone and be married.
I will purposefully wait.
Then when I find an infertile mate. I will marry later in life.

The Person in question then puts that process into action. Not having a change of heart he sees this manipulation through to the end. The OP asks if that is ok. The answer is that is a flawed and wrong way to do it. For many reasons but for one because you are set against children but still marry.

IF the op had that mindset but changed their mind, realized it was wrong, but then married late anyway. No problem. If the OP even wanted to have a family but did not know or find that out about themselves until late in life ok. Marry away.If the OP did not find “the one” until later then fine too.

But if the OP is using the later marriage as a continuation of the original plan to never have children then it is not ok. Many people grow. Many people change. And many people do so later. But to still have that mindset, it is not a Holy way to view a sacrament. And shouldn’t we view sacraments as Holy?

OP:

Why not just marry an old lady in your youth? Perhaps it is time to start cruising the bingo halls. Do you have a problem with that?
 
Here is the thought process from the original post.

I don’t want kids.
I do want to be old with someone and be married.
I will purposefully wait.
Then when I find an infertile mate. I will marry later in life.

The Person in question then puts that process into action. Not having a change of heart he sees this manipulation through to the end. The OP asks if that is ok. The answer is that is a flawed and wrong way to do it. For many reasons but for one because you are set against children but still marry.

IF the op had that mindset but changed their mind, realized it was wrong, but then married late anyway. No problem. If the OP even wanted to have a family but did not know or find that out about themselves until late in life ok. Marry away.If the OP did not find “the one” until later then fine too.

But if the OP is using the later marriage as a continuation of the original plan to never have children then it is not ok. Many people grow. Many people change. And many people do so later. But to still have that mindset, it is not a Holy way to view a sacrament. And shouldn’t we view sacraments as Holy?

OP:

Why not just marry an old lady in your youth? Perhaps it is time to start cruising the bingo halls. Do you have a problem with that?
It isn’t a sin for a young person to avoid marriage because they do not want children. That is what should happen (I want no children, so I don’t get married, and remain chaste)

It isn’t a sin for an older person who can no longer have children to want to get married.

You are arguing that if a young person does not want children, and remains chaste and single, they have forfeited the right to EVER get married.

Older people can not usually have children, yet the Church lets them marry and they have sacramental marriages.

If I had a twin (I’m 45) and she didn’t marry because she didn’t want children, she has forever forfeited ever entering into a sacramental marriage? Or wouldn’t she be able to vow as a catholic,

“(Name) and (name), have you come here freely and without reservation to give yourselves to each other in marriage?”
“Will you honor each other as man and wife for the rest of your lives?”
“Will you accept children lovingly from God, and bring them up according to the law of Christ and his Church?”​

What is the difference between her vows and any other Catholic woman at the same age? The likelihood of children would be the same provided both ladies practice marital chastity.

Does the Church really say," umm, sorry you can’t get married now because you waited too long on purpose, you can;t possibly mean your vows, having have lived as a chaste practicing Catholic."
 
Let me see if I can devote a little more time into making this a little clearer. I posted the CCC earlier and it was a huge chunk. It is pretty much all relevant. But I wish to just go to a couple of CCC paragraphs to illustrate the point.
2374 Couples who discover that they are sterile suffer greatly. “What will you give me,” asks Abraham of God, "for I continue childless?"164 And Rachel cries to her husband Jacob, "Give me children, or I shall die!"165
Here we see that couples desire children in marriage, that it is part of our human nature and that it is powerful. The OPs thinking is disrespectful to marriage because of this. To specifically want suffering, not for the sake of spirituality, or for union with Christ, but to disfigure something God designed with the intent to “suffer” this is disordered.
2376 Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child’s right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses’ "right to become a father and a mother only through each other."167
Too often and even on these boards it is quite evident that people go to immoral extremes selfishly to HAVE children. The desire is so great that they use illicit means and try to manipulate God’s rules to their advantage, outside the spirit of the Church. There are posters on CAF who will defend to the death their decision to immorally have a child.
No different here.
2378 A child is not something owed to one, but is a gift. The “supreme gift of marriage” is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged “right to a child” would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right “to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents,” and "the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception."170
2379 The Gospel shows that physical sterility is not an absolute evil. Spouses who still suffer from infertility after exhausting legitimate medical procedures should unite themselves with the Lord’s Cross, the source of all spiritual fecundity. They can give expression to their generosity by adopting abandoned children or performing demanding services for others.
Look at the wording here! “supreme gift” The OP is saying I want marriage, but the “Supreme gift” of marriage and of God I wish to reject. On purpose.

Then look at the wording when talking about sterility. The suffering involved, the care in which the Church addresses this. Yet the OP wants to use it as a benefit to what they think their lives should be in this vocation! Look also at the “Gospel shows physical sterility is not an absolute evil.” But how does the Gospel show this? Though people who really want to fulfill the purpose of marriage and have children. Not those who run from children and do not desire them. Honestly this attitude of "I don’t want children, but I want all the selfish benefits of what I deem I deserve in life is an affront not just to each of us that are married, but also to those who cannot conceive.

Honestly many many many people I have known have had the idea that they do not want children. But then they change their minds (or get pregnant) IN the OPs scenario, the person never changes their mind but rather takes it to a mutilating extreme. Much like those who get sterilized through more rapid means. Also, note the OPs ignorance of what marriage really is. Two people becoming one. Now the OP has all these wants and desires and plans their life, but what of the potential mate? Such selfishness will surely bear itself out in marriage even in old age. The mate if one exists already must also agree to this “potential decades long engagement.” and have the same motivation as the OP. Or perhaps the OP finds someone later, that someone will have a lifetime of baggage, as will the OP, complete with divorces, deaths, and perhaps grand kids and kids.
What a mess, and how can this Be HOLY. That is what we are really dealing with here. IF you do not have the vocation to be married and be a family, then you don’t have it. Period. But you do not get to pick and choose which parts of that vocation you get to have based on your selfish desires. That is contrary to everything a Christian is! We should be generous, giving and self sacrificing. You know, like a parent.

But this is EXACTLY what our culture of family “planning” though manipulative means has brought us. And it extends to hostility to children, selfishness, the breakdown of marraige with divorces and homosexual marriage. Whenever someone asks how two gay people getting married harms my marriage, I will think of this thread, and how far we have fallen.

PS by OP I mean a hypothetical person in the original post. The original poster has not identified himself as the object of the discussion. We are speaking in theological hypotheticals.
 
It isn’t a sin for a young person to avoid marriage because they do not want children. That is what should happen (I want no children, so I don’t get married, and remain chaste)

It isn’t a sin for an older person who can no longer have children to want to get married.

You are arguing that if a young person does not want children, and remains chaste and single, they have forfeited the right to EVER get married.

Older people can not usually have children, yet the Church lets them marry and they have sacramental marriages.

If I had a twin (I’m 45) and she didn’t marry because she didn’t want children, she has forever forfeited ever entering into a sacramental marriage? Or wouldn’t she be able to vow as a catholic,

What is the difference between her vows and any other Catholic woman at the same age? The likelihood of children would be the same provided both ladies practice marital chastity.

Does the Church really say," umm, sorry you can’t get married now because you waited too long on purpose, you can;t possibly mean your vows, having have lived as a chaste practicing Catholic."
That is a lot of questions. DO you have answers for them? Are you currious? OR can you answer them and if so, please do.

I clarified my point in the post above.
 
This is completely incorrect as under catholic doctrine annulment has nothing to do with what happens after the marriage. The nulity is based on what is happening and the intentions at the moment of marriage and before. It is not the action taken durinnullitymarriage what the tribunal uses to declare nulity. The church tribunal looks at the conditions previous to the marriage to determine if at the moment of the marriage there was a valid marriage. And I didn’t say that marrying to old is grounds for nullity, read again. Marrying not being open to have children and with a refusal to have children is the grounds of nulity.
Sorry. I apparently was not clear. You are correct that what happens within marriage is not ground for nullity, other than as evidence of original intent.

However, the intent of a person to be chaste and single is not grounds for annulment if one later marries. If there is no physical capacity to have children, and both parties know it at the time of marriage, there are no grounds.
 
That is a lot of questions. DO you have answers for them? Are you currious? OR can you answer them and if so, please do.

I clarified my point in the post above.
The Church teaches that married people accept children lovingly.

The Church teaches single people must remain chaste.

The Church does not obligate anyone to marry at a certain time frame.

Older people may marry validly .

The idea that someone remainin(not marrying, not forncating, and not contracrpting (because they don’t want children does not preclude them frpm dacramental marriage provided that when they take their vows they mean them
 
The Church teaches that married people accept children lovingly.

The Church teaches single people must remain chaste.

The Church does not obligate anyone to marry at a certain time frame.

Older people may marry validly .

The idea that someone remain chaste(not marrying, not fornicating, and not contracrpting) because they don’t want children does not preclude them from sacramental marriage provided that when they take their vows they mean them
Fixed the misprints.
 
The Church teaches that married people accept children lovingly.

The Church teaches single people must remain chaste.

The Church does not obligate anyone to marry at a certain time frame.

Older people may marry validly .

The idea that someone remainin(not marrying, not forncating, and not contracrpting (because they don’t want children does not preclude them frpm dacramental marriage provided that when they take their vows they mean them
The Church teaches that married people accept children lovingly.
Yes, the Church actually goes beyond that as seen in the CCC but for this purpose. Yes.
The Church teaches single people must remain chaste.
Yes, and once again the Church even teaches that married people are called to chastity as well. But again, yes.
The Church does not obligate anyone to marry at a certain time frame.
yes and no. The Church does have limits on marriage. AND some of those limits have to do with age. (14 for a female and 16 for a male and in the 1200s it was 12 for a female and 14 for a male WITHOUT parents approval.)
And one could argue that while there is no age limit on the upper end, the ability to be able to preform the act can be an issue in the very very late years. Or with illnesses.
Older people may marry validly .
Yes. But see above. There can be limits. But again, yes.
The idea that someone remainin(not marrying, not forncating, and not contracrpting (because they don’t want children does not preclude them frpm dacramental marriage provided that when they take their vows they mean them
This is where we find ourselves in conversation. The answer here is yes and no. The Catholic “both and” 😃 And we see in the CCC and in theology of marriage and in 2000 years of teaching on marraige that the while in principle a that point CAN be true. The motivation and orientation that the OP has needs to be considered and can alter the original question of “is it ok” Setting one’s will contrary to God is never ok.
 
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