Is it OK to listen to an MP3 player prior to Mass and afterwards as well?

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Are you really 'present in Church if you are just asking God lots of questions and may be a few thank you’s before Mass ? Is that what '‘you’ think being in Church and silent before the Service actually means 😦 😦
I would love it if it were quiet enough to meditate before and after Mass, but we aren’t called to live in a perfect world - we are called to be present to and to be Christ to the world that actually is.

We often find ourselves in less-than ideal situations. Some people have to go to Mass in war-torn areas where there are a lot of gun shots and sirens going on outside the building - they probably would be envious that we only have to cope with unruly children and gossiping old ladies.

Instead of shutting them out, we are called to pray for them, and with them.
 
We often find ourselves in less-than ideal situations. Some people have to go to Mass in war-torn areas where there are a lot of gun shots and sirens going on outside the building - they probably would be envious that we only have to cope with unruly children and gossiping old ladies.
 
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Wow that’s powerful.
 
I would love it if it were quiet enough to meditate before and after Mass, but we aren’t called to live in a perfect world - we are called to be present to and to be Christ to the world that actually is.

We often find ourselves in less-than ideal situations. Some people have to go to Mass in war-torn areas where there are a lot of gun shots and sirens going on outside the building - they probably would be envious that we only have to cope with unruly children and gossiping old ladies.

Instead of shutting them out, we are called to pray for them, and with them.
Naw. If there is a ready solution (no matter how non-optimal it might be) with no downside there is no reason that it should not be employed.

I already have my playlists defined. I have some quiet instrumentals to listen to while I go through the readings. Then some beautiful hymns to listen to as I focus myself and wait for the beginning of Mass.
 
Naw. If there is a ready solution (no matter how non-optimal it might be) with no downside there is no reason that it should not be employed.

I already have my playlists defined. I have some quiet instrumentals to listen to while I go through the readings. Then some beautiful hymns to listen to as I focus myself and wait for the beginning of Mass.
Why not just stay home and pray, and leave for Mass such that you arrive just in time for the opening prayer? That way, you would not be inconvenienced at all by your neighbors, either by sight or by sound.
 
Those photos are neat and all but they don’t apply here.

While the settings shown in the photos were obviously extremely harsh, I suspect they were also incredibly reverent too. I suspect there weren’t too many loud, bloviating gas bags wandering around, slapping people on the back (whether one wanted to be slapped on the back or not), asking them where they were going to breakfast after Mass.

I suspect that when some combat troops are waiting for Mass today, the DO listen to music on portable players.
 
Why not just stay home and pray, and leave for Mass such that you arrive just in time for the opening prayer? That way, you would not be inconvenienced at all by your neighbors, either by sight or by sound.
Because I give other people rides to Mass and for the last 5+ years we have arrived 20-25 minutes before Mass.
 
I … have had to endure those distractions for years. During that time I have learned how to focus on the readings, prayers and a couple of decades of the Rosary despite what’s going on around me.
Then why is this an issue for you still?
 
Those photos are neat and all but they don’t apply here.
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Personally I wouldn’t have a problem with those around me using MP3, I-phones, I-pads, or whatever. But you ask “is it OK…”? What exact response are you looking for? Yes, it’s okay for everyone to bring in whatever high-tech equipment they feel like bringing in? I’m sorry but I can’t support that position. This isn’t a ballgame, a town-hall meeting, or a college class, but the House of God. He’s the One you need to please.
 
Then why is this an issue for you still?
“An issue?” I’m not sure what you mean?

I would just rather listen to pleasant and appropriate music rather than having to concentrate on blocking out the horrible din.
 
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Those photos are neat and all but they don’t apply here.
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Personally I wouldn’t have a problem with those around me using MP3, I-phones, I-pads, or whatever. But you ask “is it OK…”?
What exact response are you looking for? Yes, it’s okay for everyone to bring in whatever high-tech equipment they feel like bringing in? I’m sorry but I can’t support that position. This isn’t a ballgame, a town-hall meeting, or a college class, but the House of God. He’s the One you need to please.

You make a very important point. I started this thread just a few minutes after coming up with the idea of taking an MP3 player to Mass with me. The idea had never occurred to me before and I was curious about other peoples’ opinions and experiences?

Now that I have thought about it a while, it seems like a great idea with no downside to me.
 
Per Redemptionis Sacramentum:
  1. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

If people are talking and disruptive, then it is obligatory upon the educated faithful to bring the issue to the pastor and the bishop.

But, by the same token, listening to the MP3 Player is likely to give the impression of inattention and irreverence as well.
 
It’s a bad idea with plenty of downside. You’ll be signaling that it’s okay for anyone to bring any gadget to Mass. The kid who talks to much would be better of with a portable game system so you dont have to hear him. Those ladies talking about potato salad recipes can just quietly use a tablet to email each other.

If you think no one will notice and that you wont become “the guy with the earbuds” you’re just not thinking it through.

And remember, they’re not there to please you. Carry the cross, maybe go earlier or stay later.
 
I think it is a great idea.

In the choir of my visiting parish we had a paid cantor who, though Catholic, liked to retreat inside the stairwell with earbuds and listen to “his music” while the homily was going on. When questioned, he expressed disdain for the preaching and preferred not to participate. (The preaching is perfectly fine and orthodox). That was the wrong way to use earphones.

But since it helps you pray and retreat into an atmosphere of meditation despite the unholy din in the church, and you are not using them to avoid liturgy but to enhance it, then I encourage you to use them all you can. And consider Aramis’ advice about complaining up the chain of command, because it is a serious problem if the faithful cannot pray contemplatively before and after Mass.
 
My new MP3 player has arrived and I have it loaded down with some beautiful music. “Sublime Chant” by the Cathedral Singers with Richard Proulx as conductor sounds heavenly through the ear buds.

The MP3 player is the size of a tiny box of wooden matches. While I might be very tempted to listen to music during some homilies by certain homilists, I never would – not even when the homilist is an angry female or layman who has no business giving a homily.
 
Per Redemptionis Sacramentum:
  1. Complaints Regarding Abuses in Liturgical Matters
[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

If people are talking and disruptive, then it is obligatory upon the educated faithful to bring the issue to the pastor and the bishop.

But, by the same token, listening to the MP3 Player is likely to give the impression of inattention and irreverence as well.
It’s simply not going to get fixed with my parish’s current pastor – nor would things improve if our current bishop was my pastor. I have heard my pastor say “I want a happy, welcoming atmosphere” (as opposed to a solemn one.) The atmosphere at the parish I attend is neither happy nor welcoming but my pastor would never know that because even though I attend the first Mass of the day, he arrives 5 minutes or less before Mass begins and never makes an effort to see the horrible stuff that goes on.

IF the atmosphere was already quiet and reverent it would remain. He wouldn’t try to make it “happier” and “more welcoming” (in his mind.) He’ll do whatever is easiest. Whatever will generate the fewest letters and phone calls to the bishop.

I can look at him and 7 pastors before him going back to my childhood. While some have been excellent biblical scholars and operational administrators absolutely none of them have been true leaders/shepherds. (A few former parochial vicars became strong leaders and shepherds in other parishes but not this one, despite its size and prominence.)

That’s why my parish is in the shape it’s in today. I do think my pastor and many of the rude people do actually realize what they do (simply because it has become that bad) but I don’t see any change on the horizon.

In four years my pastor will be moving on after 2 six year assignments at my parish. While I would love to say I have strong hope that things will improve with his replacement, I really don’t. My focus is on remaining a practicing Catholic and not drifting away from the Church as so many people have in the past half century.

If an MP3 player loaded with healthy music helps me on my journey, then I will make use of it.
 
I like Father’s answer to your question in the Ask The Apologist section of CAF.

My first piece of advice to you is to stop your uncharitable thoughts towards others. This is poisoning your soul. If you keep this up, you will find that it’s harder and harder for you to connect with Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, and eventually, you may walk away from it all because it no longer holds any joy or edification for you. Bitterness is like a cancer that eats away at your soul and destroys you. Don’t let it get any stronghold in you. Pull it out now, and cultivate good, wholesome, forbearing, loving attitudes towards your fellow Christians.

This doesn’t mean that you are compromising on reverence before the Mass. But choose a different and better way to deal with it rather than stewing over it and using an earbud device to try to block it out (it won’t work–you’ll still be able to hear people).

First, it isn’t really your issue to deal with–it’s up to Father to correct his congregation. You could take your problems to him and ask him how you can love Christ and others in spite of all the noise before Mass. And then obey what he tells you to do, even if it’s not what you want to hear.

Second, rather than trying to shut all these fellow brothers and sisters in Christ out, include them in your Mass preparation. Pray for those who are annoying to you, rather than create clever-sounding, but cruel names for them. “Loud, bloviating gas bags?” That’s really really mean, and it makes me wonder if you are getting anything out of the Mass at all if you can even conceive of such a mean name for fellow Christians. Your thoughts for fellow Christians should be filled with love and joy and peace.

Mass is not meant to be a private, personal devotion. It’s a corporate event. What that means is that there will be other people there, and you are supposed to worship with them, not in spite of them.

What you are seeing at Mass is real people, where they are right now, struggling along on their way to heaven. Some of them are caught up in sin, and it’s obvious. Others are sinning privately, and it’s not so obvious. And still others are as close to Christ as humans can get here on this earth–and that’s not always obvious.

Try this–get to know a lot of those people so that you know who you are name-calling. If I were you, I would select the most annoying people in the Mass, and after Mass, I would greet them and strive to get to know them. Perhaps eventually you can even go to lunch or coffee with them so that you can have a little more in-depth conversation than just standing in the parking lot. I’m guessing you would find many of the people who annoy you delightful and inspiring. I have done this several times with people and families in my parish, and without fail, I have been ashamed of myself once I got to know the people who annoyed me and learned just how good and devoted to Christ and His Church they are.

Another thing you could try is to stay outside of the nave until Mass starts. Our parish is fortunate enough to have a 24/7 Adoration Chapel on campus–it’s completely quiet there, and there are people who remain in this chapel and then take a very short walk to the church for Mass. If you don’t have a chapel like this, then perhaps you could find a quiet spot on the grounds somewhere or inside the church building to sit by yourself and think about God. Perhaps there is a little storage room somewhere and you can “hide out” there and try to escape some of the noise before Mas, although again, you are part of the Body of Christ with lots of other Christians, and many of them aren’t at the same place in their lives that you are at–in other words, they’re noisier than you. (Make sure to obtain permission to “hide out” in a specific room, or you might look creepy to anyone who discovers you. :))

Perhaps this analogy would help. You and all your fellow Christians are on the road to heaven. It’s very crowded on the road. As you trudge along, there are millions of other Christians on the road with you. Some are running, some are walking, some are dancing along, and some are dragging their feet and complaining about the road, the people, the sunny sky, the rain, the darkness, a bird’s song, etc… Some are constantly getting distracted away from the road, stopping at every tourist trap and restaurant and bar and amusement. Others are stopping every few miles for “just a little rest and relaxation, because after all that walking, I deserve it.” And some keep bumping into you, and jostling you, and at times, knocking you off the road entirely as they careen along the road totally oblivious to you and most of the other people.

What you have to do on that road is just keep walking and figure out a way to get along with all those other people on the road with you. You can’t shut them out and ignore them all–Christ has not given us that option! You can’t go to another road. You can’t just create a private space for yourself that locks all others out of your personal walk. You have to learn to walk in peace with all the others, and as much as possible, help them to get to heaven, as many of them will help you to get to heaven.

I hope this post is helpful.
 
I took the opportunity to ask and here’s what Fr Serpa has to say.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=813071

Please reconsider.
It’s simply not going to get fixed with my parish’s current pastor – nor would things improve if my current bishop was also my pastor. I have heard my pastor say “I want a happy, welcoming atmosphere” (as opposed to a solemn one) in response to other peoples’ complaints about the rude behavior.

The atmosphere at the parish I attend is neither happy nor welcoming but my pastor would never know that because even though I attend the first Mass of the day, he arrives 5 minutes or less before Mass begins and never makes an effort to see the horrible stuff that goes on.

IF the atmosphere was already quiet and reverent it would remain. He wouldn’t try to make it “happier” and “more welcoming” (in his mind.) He’ll do whatever is easiest. Whatever will generate the fewest letters and phone calls to the bishop.

I can look at him and 7 pastors before him going back to my childhood. While some have been excellent biblical scholars and operational bureaucrats absolutely none of them have been true leaders/shepherds. Not even close. (A few former parochial vicars did eventually became strong leaders and shepherds at other parishes but not this one, despite its size and prominence.)

That’s why my parish is in the shape it’s in today. I do think my pastor and many of the rude people do actually realize what they do (simply because it has become that bad) but I don’t see any change on the horizon.

In four years my pastor will be moving on after his second six year assignment at my parish. While I would love to say I have strong hope that things will improve with his replacement, I really don’t. My focus is on remaining a practicing Catholic and not drifting away from the Church as so many people have in the past half century.

If an MP3 player loaded with reverent music helps me on my journey, then I will make use of it.
 
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