Is it okay for a catholic businessman to discriminate against gays?

[buffalo]

I understand…my question was is “talking about one’s sex life” entail answering questions from co-workers…“What did you do this week-end”…and a respone along the lines of…“My partner and I went to the beach…dinner…movie…bbq’d with friends” Is simply mentioning that they have a partner mean they talked about their sex lives in the work place? THAT is what your post appeared to ential…if I am incorrect I’d like to know.

My child recounted a job he quit. Lunch table talk was sexually specific among the homosexuals he worked with. He quit because it was so gross.

 

[Jonatello]

or jealous people (those who might compare your earnings to a “competitors”)
or fornicators
or men who masturbate
or those who pay others to be violent toward each other for entertainment
(boxing fans need not apply)

make sure not to hire anyone who worships false idols

don’t shut the gays out and then let some disgusting spineless weakling of a man who doesn’t have the moral fortitude to stone his non-virgin wife infest your holy place of market

there are many more kinds of wretched sinners out there, and make sure you know about all of them so your efforts to ban sinners from your church of mammon don’t go in vein because some innocent looking secretary with sparkle-speckled spectacles forgot the sabbath when you weren’t looking.

 

[CopticChristian]

This link is so flawed its laughable I don’t even know where to begin

In words of one syllable if you don’t agree with me or counter my points then you are automatically stupid. He’s off to a great start

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Not according to eh AMA or the APA or any other medical or psychological organization. They don’t seem to have any trouble at all defining sexual orientation. **
Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation and neither is sadomasochism

The author sure isn’t using any definition form any medical or psychological institution. Or the dictionary for that matter

And what would these ”serious public health consequences” be?
And can he back up the claims with actual evidence?

Define public intereest.

Tracer,

Designating yourself Catholic, viewing your posts I cannot laugh. I am saddened that your views do not represent a well formed conscience. I admonish you and urge you to form your conscience in Catechesis.

Your postion toutint the AMA, the APA as seen on your beloved phony website…Truth Wins Out…is laughable…as I pointed out elsewhere…

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9602338#post9602338

posting # 149

Tracer, designating yourself Catholic you show evidence of need of prayer and admonishment.

 

[Publisher]

My child recounted a job he quit. Lunch table talk was sexually specific among the homosexuals he worked with. He quit because it was so gross.

I am shocked myself at how the men and women in the office I work in speak of their sexual exploits at lunch and breaks…that’s not a “homosexual” oddity…if I quit my job any time someone spoke of their sex lives…the men in the office that go "hoggin’ "…or the three ways they engage in with two or more women…or how they invite the women they meet out to their van or car for a “quickie” when they’re clubbing…I’d have no job.

My question was concerning friend Francis seeming assertion that discussing one’s sex life for a gay person is simply speaking about what they and their partner did on a week-end excursion…I wasn’t addrssing the sexualy explicit talk that goes on it the office by straight people…so not sure how your post addresses my question to Francis.

 

[CopticChristian]

I am shocked myself at how the men and women in the office I work in speak of their sexual exploits at lunch and breaks…that’s not a “homosexual” oddity…if I quit my job any time someone spoke of their sex lives…the men in the office that go "hoggin’ "…or the three ways they engage in with two or more women…or how they invite the women they meet out to their van or car for a “quickie” when they’re clubbing…I’d have no job.

My question was concerning friend Francis seeming assertion that discussing one’s sex life for a gay person is simply speaking about what they and their partner did on a week-end excursion…I wasn’t addrssing the sexualy explicit talk that goes on it the office by straight people…so not sure how your post addresses my question to Francis.

Publisher,

What I see here is empiricism and these arguments as to what I see and what you see will vary depending on who I am and who you are as well as what environment we see them in.

If I volunteer at the local Catholic Church then during lunch I am less likely to hear about anyone’s sexual exploits.

I lived in San Francisco and sadly in a public forum in the Castro District, men wear pants allowing themselves to have their arses seen, men grab each other’s crotches, and there are public displays as well as public conversations.

In a work environment I can reflect on heterosexuals do talk about who is doing who and what is doing what. I can also recall instances where no one speaks of anything in particular.

These empirical points of view are going to differ depending on the individual and the environment. No one point of view will prevail.

 

[Publisher]

Publisher,

What I see here is empiricism and these arguments as to what I see and what you see will vary depending on who I am and who you are as well as what environment we see them in.

If I volunteer at the local Catholic Church then during lunch I am less likely to hear about anyone’s sexual exploits.

I lived in San Francisco and sadly in a public forum in the Castro District, men wear pants allowing themselves to have their arses seen, men grab each other’s crotches, and there are public displays as well as public conversations.

In a work environment I can reflect on heterosexuals do talk about who is doing who and what is doing what. I can also recall instances where no one speaks of anything in particular.

These empirical points of view are going to differ depending on the individual and the environment. No one point of view will prevail.

Agreed…but back to my question…is a gay or lesbian person simply discussing what they and their partner did on a week end or vacation…never mentioning any sexual encounters entail “talking about their sex lives” as from what I understood was Francis’ implication…is that “flaunting” it in everyone’s faces? Yet no one seems to bat an eye when a straight couple who live together without the benefit of marriage talks of their vacations and week-end trips…sounds to me like a double standard…but then…I’m kinda dense.

 

[CopticChristian]

Agreed…but back to my question…is a gay or lesbian person simply discussing what they and their partner did on a week end or vacation…never mentioning any sexual encounters entail “talking about their sex lives” as from what I understood was Francis’ implication…is that “flaunting” it in everyone’s faces? Yet no one seems to bat an eye when a straight couple who live together without the benefit of marriage talks of their vacations and week-end trips…sounds to me like a double standard…but then…I’m kinda dense.

Publisher,

Dense as you are means you are in good company as dense as I am, we are back to empiricism and social culture environment.

It is more likely that in San Francisco in the Castro District the conversation would be more detailed than in let’s say the touristy Fisherman’s Warf or the Financial District in San Francisco. If you went to any gay bar in the Castro District and that is where you worked it would be different than if you worked at let’s say the Tadish Grill in the Financial District.

What is spoken of at the Tadish taken to the Castro District would not be flaunting. The conversation in the Castro District taken to the Financial district would be flaunting.

There is a time and place for everything and there is nothing new under the sun…

From the the most dense CC

 

[Publisher]

Publisher,

Dense as you are means you are in good company as dense as I am, we are back to empiricism and social culture environment.

It is more likely that in San Francisco in the Castro District the conversation would be more detailed than in let’s say the touristy Fisherman’s Warf or the Financial District in San Francisco. If you went to any gay bar in the Castro District and that is where you worked it would be different than if you worked at let’s say the Tadish Grill in the Financial District.

What is spoken of at the Tadish taken to the Castro District would not be flaunting. The conversation in the Castro District taken to the Financial district would be flaunting.

There is a time and place for everything and there is nothing new under the sun…

From the the most dense CC

Yes…but I wasn’t asking about a detailed discussion…again…is simply relaying what one does on the week-end or vacation…without sexually explicit details of any sexual encounter on said week end or vacation…but simply mentioning one went with one’s partner “flaunting” their sexuality as Francis post seemed to imply…at least to me.

Must be a more difficult question that I originally thought…and I can only assume that in light of the topic…just mentioning one went away with their partner or purchased a car or bed or home together…would be grounds of termination in such a world as the OP lives in if a gay person works for a conservative religious employer.

 

[St_Francis]

I understand…my question was is “talking about one’s sex life” entail answering questions from co-workers…“What did you do this week-end”…and a respone along the lines of…“My partner and I went to the beach…dinner…movie…bbq’d with friends” Is simply mentioning that they have a partner mean they talked about their sex lives in the work place? THAT is what your post appeared to ential…if I am incorrect I’d like to know.

Why would someone ask me what I did over the weekend? Why would I answer? Are we no longer permitted *any *privacy?

 

[Publisher]

Why would someone ask me what I did over the weekend? Why would I answer? Are we no longer permitted *any *privacy?

Maybe because they are interested:shrug: And we don’t live in isolated cocoons but are social creatures?

I’m beginning to see why my questions are so “disturbing”.

 

[Jonatello]

or jealous people (those who might compare your earnings to a “competitors”)
or fornicators
or men who masturbate
or those who pay others to be violent toward each other for entertainment
(boxing fans need not apply)

make sure not to hire anyone who worships false idols

don’t shut the gays out and then let some disgusting spineless weakling of a man who doesn’t have the moral fortitude to stone his non-virgin wife infest your holy place of market

there are many more kinds of wretched sinners out there, and make sure you know about all of them so your efforts to ban sinners from your church of mammon don’t go in vein because some innocent looking secretary with sparkle-speckled spectacles forgot the sabbath when you weren’t looking.

 

[St_Francis]

Maybe because they are interested:shrug: And we don’t live in isolated cocoons but are social creatures?

I’m beginning to see why my questions are so “disturbing”.

This is what I mean: say that Mrs X goes to an Al-Anon convention over the weekend. She just might want to keep that private.

Say Mr Y goes to somewhere to pray the Rosary in front of an abortion clinic, he may not want to bring up this subject at work because he knows that others in the workplace would be distracted by this.

Or suppose Ms Z is trying to maintain her chastity, maybe it iis harder for her when people ar cohabitating and continually talking about it.

Or maybe, just maybe, people would like to have some privacy, a fence as it were, between their work and their personal life, and they would also not like to end up in the false intimacy that ensues when people talk about their “partners” and what-have-you when the partner suddenly decides to leave or the one gets pregnant…

So, no, why ask what the other did over the weekend? Let them have some privacy. And if someone asks, then just make it so boring that they never ask again, not spill your private life over the office. Yeah, I do not want the people who are co-habitating to talk about how they went here or there, because that should be private for them, not something so casual as to be revealed willy-nilly to any person who asks.

When I did used to work in an office, topics like that didn’t come up. Then it seems that it did. Now it seems like people are free to talk about their actual sex “conquests”–all of this is completely unprofessional.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Publisher,

Dense as you are means you are in good company as dense as I am, we are back to empiricism and social culture environment.

It is more likely that in San Francisco in the Castro District the conversation would be more detailed than in let’s say the touristy Fisherman’s Warf or the Financial District in San Francisco. If you went to any gay bar in the Castro District and that is where you worked it would be different than if you worked at let’s say the Tadish Grill in the Financial District.

What is spoken of at the Tadish taken to the Castro District would not be flaunting. The conversation in the Castro District taken to the Financial district would be flaunting.

There is a time and place for everything and there is nothing new under the sun…

From the the most dense CC

Yes, good counsel there – better not to take Castro type discussions at Tadich’s. The spirit of its Croatian immigrant founder would not permit it, as a manner of speaking. Btw, don’t you love that place? I do! – the petrale sole and cioppino are just divine.
,

 

[St_Francis]

Yes…but I wasn’t asking about a detailed discussion…again…is simply relaying what one does on the week-end or vacation…without sexually explicit details of any sexual encounter on said week end or vacation…but simply mentioning one went with one’s partner “flaunting” their sexuality as Francis post seemed to imply…at least to me.

Must be a more difficult question that I originally thought…and I can only assume that in light of the topic…just mentioning one went away with their partner or purchased a car or bed or home together…would be grounds of termination in such a world as the OP lives in if a gay person works for a conservative religious employer.

I would not immediately terminate someone for talking about this stuff, but i would explain to them that it is inappropriate and unprofessional.

Apparently I would have to explain this to a potential hire.

And quite frankly, I don’t want the married people to discuss this stuff either. I jut think that people should be granted some space for privacy.

If I tell you every weekend what i did, and it was all pretty innocuous, what’s going to happen the weekend I spend with my brother who’s going through drug withdrawal? The weekend I spend in bed because I am so depressed because everyone else in the office is cohabitating and running off to BBQs with their “partners” and I have no one because I am trying to live chastely, or the weekend I go to an Extra-Marital Sex Prohibition conference?

Se what i mean?

 

[Publisher]

I would not immediately terminate someone for talking about this stuff, but i would explain to them that it is inappropriate and unprofessional.

Apparently I would have to explain this to a potential hire.

And quite frankly, I don’t want the married people to discuss this stuff either. I jut think that people should be granted some space for privacy.

If I tell you every weekend what i did, and it was all pretty innocuous, what’s going to happen the weekend I spend with my brother who’s going through drug withdrawal? The weekend I spend in bed because I am so depressed because everyone else in the office is cohabitating and running off to BBQs with their “partners” and I have no one because I am trying to live chastely, or the weekend I go to an Extra-Marital Sex Prohibition conference?

Se what i mean?

I don’t think anyone is asking you to go into any detail concerning your life…but from some of the posts…just knowing a person was gay was too telling of their sex lives…as I stated before…I’m realizing why some of my questions are so disturbing…

 

[St_Francis]

I don’t think anyone is asking you to go into any detail concerning your life…but from some of the posts…just knowing a person was gay was too telling of their sex lives…as I stated before…I’m realizing why some of my questions are so disturbing…

I don’t know why you keep saying your questions are “disturbing.” You seem more disturbed by my answers.

And I have done my level best to be very clear that I think this about *everyone, *not just homosexuals. It has nothing to do with homosexuality.

This is why my first response in this thread was how could they discriminate in hiring someone who was homosexual? How would they even *know *the applicant was homosexual?

 

[buffalo]

I am shocked myself at how the men and women in the office I work in speak of their sexual exploits at lunch and breaks…that’s not a “homosexual” oddity…if I quit my job any time someone spoke of their sex lives…the men in the office that go "hoggin’ "…or the three ways they engage in with two or more women…or how they invite the women they meet out to their van or car for a “quickie” when they’re clubbing…I’d have no job.

My question was concerning friend Francis seeming assertion that discussing one’s sex life for a gay person is simply speaking about what they and their partner did on a week-end excursion…I wasn’t addrssing the sexualy explicit talk that goes on it the office by straight people…so not sure how your post addresses my question to Francis.

Don’t make a case that homosexual’s don’t talk about what they do then.

 

[buffalo]

But do they have the right to reject an applicant just because he/she is a member of a minority?

When based on behavior/actions - absolutely.

 

[Publisher]

Don’t make a case that homosexual’s don’t talk about what they do then.

Don’t believe I did…if I did…please show me where I stated that gay people don’t speak just as bad as straight people do:shrug:

 

[Publisher]

When based on behavior/actions - absolutely.

And we get back to my question…are we claiming the “behavior” of mentioning one’s partner and very inoccuous activities such as dinner and a movie with one’s partner grounds for termination in such a business owned by a conservative Christian?