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souldiver
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After all, after he betrayed Jesus, he didn’t cared about money or even his life, what he cares for is Jesus, right? So maybe it’s alright to have sympathy for him? Or maybe, could he even got in heaven?
Is it okay for a Christian to have sympathy for Judas the Iscariot?
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Millie123
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The church has never declared him to be in hell. As far as offering him sympathy, You can certainly pray for his soul, and that would not be against church teaching. …you can even pray for the souls of Pontious Pilate, King Herod.
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Trident_H
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Hey man. Nice to see you again. Yeah. I think having sympathy for him’s a bit of a way with me. I mean I even sort of identify with him. In a way.
Peace souldiver. Keep searching.
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Prodigal_40s
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Woe to the man who betrays the Son of God. It would be better for that man if he had not been born Matthew 26:24
The idea that Hell doesn’t exist or every man has a reasonable chance of being saved or the nonsense about Judas isn’t even backed by scripture.
Judas fate being “unknown”? That’s a theological absurdity
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mark_a
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I sometimes wonder what kind of of Christian I would be if I didn’t sympathize with Judas.
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OraLabora
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It doesn’t say he is in hell. It could mean a particularly harsh time in purgatory, or the inner torment that led to his suicide. Final destination is in God’s hands. Is it possible he is in hell? Very much so. But we can’t be asurred of that.
As for sympathizing with him… unless we are sure we are ready to stand a martyr’s death instead of chickening out and renouncing our faith, we do well to remember we are all sinners just as he was a sinner, and but for the grace of God can we have hope for our souls.
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Prodigal_40s
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Read the great Catholic philosophers like Saint Thomas Aquinas. You can be certain that Our Lord uses “Woe” as something more serious than purification.
I do feel sympathy for his predicament and hope the Lord can forgive me my sins. Don’t think Hell isn’t empty. THAT is a HUGE mistake
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Millie123
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I never said that Hell doesn’t exist. I wholeheartedly believe in it. And I know that there are inhabitants in it. What I do not do is declare that a particular soul with this particular name is in hell. The church does not do that
and neither will I. There is nothing wrong with praying for even the most notorious of sinners who have passed, and if my prayers carry no benefit for them then God will give these prayers to those who they do help.
“Dear lord…
For the souls of judas iscariot, Pontious pilate, King herod, Attila the hun, ganghis khan, king henry viii, elizabeth 1, Adolf Hitler, Joseph stalin. I do not know where these souls are, if any of these souls are in purgatory then please accept these prayers for them, if they carry no benefit to them then please offer it to the souls in purgatory who have been there the longest with no one to pray for them”
Theologically speaking what is against catholic doctrine with this and can you please cite me the church document which specifically declared a particular named soul to be in hell.
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sticknstring73
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I used to until I realized, with the help of a priest, that Judas HAD to do what he did.
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Daniel_David
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I pray for them too… God’s ways are not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts. Thank you for sharing your thoughts… no prayer to God is wasted!!!
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friardchips
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That would be a false teaching then. Neither do I imagine any priest saying such a thing.
Because the omnipotent Creator knew Judas was to betray Him is not the same as falsely thinking Judas was Willed, forced, coerced or commanded, to betray Him.
Hi OP. I think it is okay to feel sorry for Judas as we can all be him sometimes but as long as we remember what The Word had to go through too as a result of our sins. A daily effort.
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Prodigal_40s
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Something called the Bible which I quoted earlier. You can say it’s not a certainty if Judas is in Hell but it sure sounds like it. He chose to though
To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him forever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.” CC1023
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Millie123
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Theological scholars much more knowledgeable than you and I have discussed that quote from Matthew 26:24.
In Pope John Paul ll book Crossing the Threshold of Hope the Pope states that Jesus’ words in this passage
“Do not allude for certain to eternal damnation” Pope John Paul ll
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esieffe
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I think in the end he was very anguished about what he did, he killed himself did he not? Of course that would not have helped is final disposition I would not think.
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esieffe
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I have often wondered about this question myself. Good topic. Naturally, Judas has been villianized ever since his betrayal. I have wondered if it is a sin not to forgive him for what he did. I suppose it would be a sin. Given who betrayed, I just shove the question out of my mind.
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jaimeleglise
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Maybe at the last second of his life he saw a vision of Jesus crucified and repented.
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Prodigal_40s
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The way I look at it, it was foretold that The Christ would be betrayed. As for forgiving, he chose to accept his fate and refused forgiveness. Again that’s written and not up for question. Read Matthew 26
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Prodigal_40s
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Our Lord knew and all the way throughout the New Testament “the fulfillment of the words of the prophets” is used many times. Christ was to be betrayed into the hands of sinners and his blood poured out for many for the forgiveness of Sins. However that was to allow us the chance of salvation IF we accept it.
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TheologyInfinit
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It would be better for that man if he had not been born Matthew 26:24
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In_Hoc_Signo312
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I don’t think there would be anything wrong with it. As has been said earlier in this thread, Jesus was bound to be betrayed at some point in order to fulfill salvation, so I personally don’t feel that it should be held against Judas. :twocents:
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