Is it okay to attend an SSPX Daily Mass and Receive Communion?

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I do not think the case is as cut and dry as many would like to make it.
Exactly.

I was taught that if there is any doubt as to whether you committed a mortal sin, you get the benefit of the doubt. There can be mitigating circumstances that reduce the severity of the act, even if the Church were to say that it was a sin to attend an SSPX, which she hasn’t.

Either way, how can worshipping God through a valid Catholic Mass be a sin? I’m baffled. I think if we were to focus on God and less on whether we should or shouldn’t be in a particular church, we’d be all better off.
 
There are plenty of diocesan Masses that have the tacit approval of the local ordinary that have more illicit practices than anything that goes on in a SSPX chapel.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
 
So-what is modernism? What is this oath of modernism? And do priests who are not SSPX still take it? And if so, is it just the Traditional Latin Mass priests such as the FSSP or do the Novus Ordo priests take it too.

And also having started to attend the Tridentine Masses I know there’s something else about these Masses-not just that they’re in Latin.🙂
THE OATH AGAINST MODERNISM
Given by His Holiness St. Pius X September 1, 1910.
To be sworn to by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries.

Whole text is here…
papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10moath.htm

And it ends with this…
Thus I promise, this I swear, so help me God. . .
Here is all the fuss in a nutshell…
I was overjoyed when Raymond Marcin, Professor of Law at Catholic University of America, submitted this essay to CFN. Immediately, it reminded me of my dear friend, Father Marian Palandrano (d. 1995), a Traditional priest ordained in 1949 who never once said the New Mass. Often, Father Palandrano explained that he could not accept the progressive doctrine and liturgy of Vatican II because to do so would violate his Oath Against Modernism, a solemn Oath he pledged before Almighty God. Marcin discusses the conflict between the Oath Against Modernism that all the Council Fathers were bound to uphold, and Vatican II’s “counter-syllabus” which, by all appearances, violates that sacred oath.
Here is THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS CONDEMNED BY PIUS IX which preceded the Oath. papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm

Since the canonization of Pope St Celestine in 1313, only two Popes have been canonized. Pope St Pius V and Pope St Pius X.
 
Canonical Irregularity. No one in the SSPX doubts that Rome attempted to excommunicate the bishops and suspend the priests in 1988.
Excuse me? Rome “attempted” to excommunicate the bishops? Pope John Paul II indeed excommunicated the six bishops involved in the illicit consecration of 1988 by Archbishop Lefebvre in his Motu Propio Ecclesia Dei. That is a fact!

Pope John Paul II stated the following in his Apostolic Letter Ecclesia Dei:
  1. In itself, this act was one of disobedience emphasis added] to the Roman Pontiff in a very grave matter and of supreme importance for the unity of the church, such as is the ordination of bishops whereby the apostolic succession is sacramentally perpetuated. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act emphasis added].(3) In performing such an act, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning sent to them by the Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops on 17 June last, Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication emphasis added] envisaged by ecclesiastical law.(4)
Furthermore, Pope Benedict XVI remitted “the penalty of excommunication Latae Sententiae” incurred by the bishops of the SSPX by Decree of the Congregation of Bishops as stated below:
On the basis of the powers expressly granted to me by the Holy Father Benedict XVI, by virtue of the present Decree I remit the penalty of excommunication *latae sententiae *incurred by Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, and declared by this Congregation on 1 July 1988.
If the excommunication was just an “attempt” by Rome, then why the need to remit it?
They only argue against the validity of said excommunication on the grounds of necessity.
Necessity? What necessity? Pope John Paul the II had agreed to consecrate a bishop for the SSPX at a certain date. Archbishop Lefebvre decided to disobey the pope and consecrate not one but four bishops at an earlier date. Again, what “necessity”?
Pope Pius XII wasn’t alive in 1988. What does this have to do with the Episcopal Consecrations in Econe?
Please, let me educate you. In his Encyclical Letter Ad Apostolurum Principis, Pope Pius XII condemned the consecration of bishops without the approval and “in defiance” of the Holy See as stated below:
  1. Granted this exception, it follows that bishops who have been neither named nor confirmed by the Apostolic See, but who, on the contrary, **have been elected and consecrated in defiance of its express orders **emphasis added], enjoy no powers of teaching or of jurisdiction emphasis added] since jurisdiction passes to bishops only through the Roman Pontiff…
  2. Acts requiring the power of Holy Orders which are performed by ecclesiastics of this kind, though they are valid as long as the consecration conferred on them emphasis added] was valid, **are yet gravely illicit, that is, criminal and sacrilegious **emphasis added].
Any questions?
What are these so-called teachings of Vatican II which are binding on the faithful?
With four Constitutions (two of them Dogmatic), three Declarations, and nine Decrees, answering this question would require a whole new thread. Perhaps some other time.
Canonical Irregularity. These things aren’t just fixed overnight. It will happen, in due time.
This “canonical irregularity” consist of a direct defiance against the pope regarding the SSPX bishops’ consecration. It also consist of the SSPX refusal to accept the conditions set by the Holy See to regain full communion.
Have you not read anything said recently by Bishop Fellay? They will, but just like anything that happens in the Church, it takes time.
Actually, I have. I am also aware of statements such as this: “we continue firmly resolute in our desire to remain Catholics and to put all our strength at the service of the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is the Roman Catholic Church.” I appreciate Bishop Fellay desired to serve the Church and our Lord, and I sincerely pray for full communion between the SSPX and the Church.

I have also read statements made by other SSPX bishops such as Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, who stated that Pope Benedict XVI “has professed heresies in the past! He…has never retracted his errors. When he was a theologian, he professed heresies, he published a book full of heresies.” And Bishop Richard Williamson, who stated that “[Pope Benedict XVI] past writings are full of Modernist errors. Now, Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies (Pascendi, Saint Pius X). So Ratzinger as a heretic goes far beyond Luther’s Protestant errors, as Bishop Tissier de Mallerais well said.” I also pray so that this attitude within the SSPX does not persist.

This will be my last post on this thread. I think the evidence speaks for itself. God bless!
 
Given that the SSPX priests are not now, and have not ever been, excommunicated as a class of persons, it’s immaterial to ask how about the excommunicated are. Those four bishops are still priests of the SSPX, and still suspended. Therefore, they disobey the pope and the church just like the non-bishop priests.

When you aid schism knowingly, you sin.
When you lead others knowingly into sinning, you sin.
When you encourage others to knowingly sin, you sin.
For them, saying the mass is a sin…
First of all, no one here has been able to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt they are in schism. One can certainly sit here and attempt to interpret Vatican documents as I have, but this would be futile, as your eyes will cross over all the inherent and illogical assertions made by Vatican officials and even the Holy Father himself. At best based on what I have read they are in danger of schism. That is the most I can get. Therefore to accuse people of aiding and abetting schism without even evidence that this is the case is untenable.

What though, may I ask, is a Catholic doing wrong when they attend these Masses? They pray for the Holy Father, both in the Rosary and in the Mass.They post Holy Father’s intentions, and in my experience even cite his encyclicals in homilies. They are given a strong Catholic formation and given the Sacraments. For being devoted to tradition in the Church they are worst kind of schismatics and sinners in the eyes of many here.

The Catholic at the nearby New Mass church, let us say for example a good orthodox one, encounters this: They pray for the Holy Father, both in the Rosary and in the Mass.They post Holy Father’s intentions, and in my experience even cite his encyclicals in homilies. They are given a strong Catholic formation and given the Sacraments. I am sorry, aside from the form I fail to see the change of substance which would gravely endanger the Faith.

When we accept all these changes without question, we make the Pope out to be like the Morman president, who can have his mind changed by the Holy Ghost every few years. If the Pope says things which appear to conradict past teaching, people act as if we should shrug it off and act like the previous teaching was yesterday’s news. These assertions make the Pope the divine dictator that the protestants caricture him as. At will he can assert anything he wants regarding matters of faith. When John XXII proclaimed a false teachings, we should have just let him go with it and see where he took it and call it an “evolution in understanding.” This is an outrageous proposition.

Just as the Sabbath was made for man, so was obedience made for Faith. We cannot be forced to obey what our consciences tell us we cannot.
 
Excuse me? Rome “attempted” to excommunicate the bishops? Pope John Paul II indeed excommunicated the six bishops involved in the illicit consecration of 1988 by Archbishop Lefebvre in his Motu Propio Ecclesia Dei. That is a fact!

If the excommunication was just an “attempt” by Rome, then why the need to remit it?
Necessity? What necessity? Pope John Paul the II had agreed to consecrate a bishop for the SSPX at a certain date. Archbishop Lefebvre decided to disobey the pope and consecrate not one but four bishops at an earlier date. Again, what “necessity”?

I have also read statements made by other SSPX bishops such as Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, who stated that Pope Benedict XVI “has professed heresies in the past! He…has never retracted his errors. When he was a theologian, he professed heresies, he published a book full of heresies.” And Bishop Richard Williamson, who stated that “[Pope Benedict XVI] past writings are full of Modernist errors. Now, Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies (Pascendi, Saint Pius X). So Ratzinger as a heretic goes far beyond Luther’s Protestant errors, as Bishop Tissier de Mallerais well said.” I also pray so that this attitude within the SSPX does not persist.
While unfortunately worded, when it was stated the Holy Father attempted to excommunicate the SSPX bishops, I believe he was simply trying to convey the SSPX view that the excommunications were unjustified and therefore invalid. This is not an unusual occurence. St. Athanasius was excommunicated unjustly, and his is not considered valid. For those who claim the parallel between St. Athanasius and Archbishop Lefebvre is slim, such as Fr. Z, this example is only to point out it is possible to be ujustly excommunicated. I will also point out parallels are a matter of perspective.

I observe that SSPX hardliners make the same point Ad Gentes is making with regard to the lifting of the excommunications. They feel that the acknowledgment by Superior General Bishop Fellay of this lifting is essentially a concession that the excommunications were valid. Since to this very day none have ever been given a formal canonical trial, I feel this is unfortunate, since such a trial would have been a great help in advancing a just and indisputable result.

On the matter of necessity, again, perspective is relative. When studied in detail, it was clear throughout the years that the Vatican has often had an inconsistant policy toward SSPX. Initially, Rome did not want to give Lefebvre a bishop at all, arguing for a local ordinary to do ordinations. Since this concerned Lefebvre, negotiations then reensued for selecting a bishop. More than once Rome either changed It’s mind or asked for more time. In Lefebvre’s view he was getting old and much of the SSPX leadership was nervous should he die without successor. The experience with SSPV had made them edgy, and the wanted to make sure any transition was smooth. Lefebvre felt further delays endangered his order and he acted because he felt his time was short. As it was he died only 2 years later. I could see where he might have that his actions were necessary, given his circumstances. His co-consecrator, Antonio de Castro Mayer, also died not shortly after.

While Ad Apostolurum Principis is an excellent resource in this matter, Lefebvre’s perceived necessity would have diminished its application, since, as St. Thomas points out “necessity knows no law.”

While two of the Constititions of Vatican II were called Dogmatic, in no part did they use solemn language indicating they were defining anything which bound the faithful. The words decree, declare, anathemize, proclaim, define or condemn were generally absent. This is further made uncertain by Blessed John XXIII’s statement that Vatican II would not define anything.

It may be fine to state that you hope certain “attitudes” disappear from the SSPX, however I believe this can only be said if one ignores their concerns. If Vatican II causes you no loss of sleep, the SSPX matter is tempest in a teapot. If you feel Vatican II is a real cause for concern both for the Faith and the Church, you will be more understanding of a very real fear.The fundamental difference is irreconcilable. Either the Council is orthodox, or it is not. It is not for us to decide in these forums if Vatican II is orthodox or nor, but to state that those who are concerned if it is are just wicked and obstinate, this is just villification and not an argument. Proclaiming over and over again that SSPX is schismatic and sinful will not make their concerns go away. When the concerns of Vatican II are resolved, then there will be peace. To say otherwise is to simply not acknowledge the reality of a problem which will not disappear, and our Faith will not be better for it. Our Faith is built on the dialogue of the saints throughout the centuries, and now is good time to practice this again. All prayers to everyone.
 
Really simple, people:

They are obliged to obey the Pope, under pain of grave sin. The Pope has said they are suspended, and not to dispense sacraments. They do so anyway.

They are SINNING by saying the mass.
If you attend that mass, you endorse their sin; endorsing another’s sin is a sin itself.

Doesn’t matter if that makes them schismatic or not; it does make them grossly illicit.

If they TRULY felt he was a modernist, they are obliged to bring that to the Synod, and to encourage the Synod to request his resignation… Instead, they remove themselves from the synod by illicit acts.
 
Really simple, people:

They are obliged to obey the Pope, under pain of grave sin. The Pope has said they are suspended, and not to dispense sacraments. They do so anyway.

They are SINNING by saying the mass.
So you are saying the SSPX is partying like it’s 1054 ? :eek:

Sin sin sin, that’s all these horrible clergy have done for 20 years. And our Pope just ups and lifts the excommunications, knowing that they are sinning their behinds off even as he signs the decree. I’ll be doggone.
 
Really simple, people:

They are obliged to obey the Pope, under pain of grave sin. The Pope has said they are suspended, and not to dispense sacraments. They do so anyway.

They are SINNING by saying the mass.
If you attend that mass, you endorse their sin; endorsing another’s sin is a sin itself.

Doesn’t matter if that makes them schismatic or not; it does make them grossly illicit.

If they TRULY felt he was a modernist, they are obliged to bring that to the Synod, and to encourage the Synod to request his resignation… Instead, they remove themselves from the synod by illicit acts.
Sorry, I just cannot agree with this.

My example of St. Athanasius has still not been addressed, as also my other examples. Disobedience can be done at the service of Faith, which is what the entire New Law is at the service of. Just as the Sabbath was made for man, so also obedience for faith. If SSPX feels that to obey the Pope in this matter would be a disservice to the Faith, then they would be obliged in conscience not to act. This is the same if a Catholic believes a rite is invalid. If a Catholic feels a rite is invalid, he must not attend even if he turns out to be wrong,This is Church teaching.

Sure, we can throw the book at SSPX, but if they are not guilty of any wrong then they have no culpability and commit no sin, An unjust sentence is unjust no matter who declares it, even a Holy Father.

Besides, unless they advocated their views publicly, how could they ever get the influence to get a Synod called? Surely, their views must be aired publicly if they are to get cardinals and bishops to their cause. Fr. Gruner calls for the collegial consecration of Russia all the time, but unless he can get support for his efforts all this would be is him entertaining himself.
 
So you are saying the SSPX is partying like it’s 1054 ? :eek:

Sin sin sin, that’s all these horrible clergy have done for 20 years. And our Pope just ups and lifts the excommunications, knowing that they are sinning their behinds off even as he signs the decree. I’ll be doggone.
I_Believe, that is absolutely hilarious. I needed that. 😃 😃 👍
 
Eve: your error in thought is that they are wrongly accused.

They were given the opportunity to distance themselves from the society.

They broke canon law repeatedly (even the 1917 CIC), by electing Lefebvre after he was latae sentencae excommunicated by his actions. The formal announcement of excommunication, right or wrong, forbade them to elect any of the bishops head of the SSPX; the moment they elected Bp Bernad Fellay as superior general, they committed a corporate act of disobedience and schism.
 
Eve: your error in thought is that they are wrongly accused.

They were given the opportunity to distance themselves from the society.

They broke canon law repeatedly (even the 1917 CIC), by electing Lefebvre after he was latae sentencae excommunicated by his actions. The formal announcement of excommunication, right or wrong, forbade them to elect any of the bishops head of the SSPX; the moment they elected Bp Bernad Fellay as superior general, they committed a corporate act of disobedience and schism.
To begin, I have heard at least 3 or 4 different moments in time which were the straw that broke the camels back: Lefebvre’s suspension, consecration of the bishops, election of Bishop Fellay, etc. Will the real deciding action please stand up?

The chief issue not being addressed that I am contending is not whether or not they are obedient, but whether this is relevant. I have cited circumstances where disobedience can be done in the service of Faith, that following the letter of law is not the final end of the Law, and that the Spirit is more important than letter. I believe it is in this spirit the SSPX is acting, and that is why their actions, even if illicit, I believe are justified.

I have not seen anything that indicates SSPX as preaching error, heresy, or novelty. In my own experience I have not seen this. I should also point out that I had a bad experience with SSPX, which is why I no longer attend there. This does not change my view that they are being punished out of proportion with their crimes. Archbishop Lefebvre did not overnight decided to commit these actions, they were the result of a long history of impasse. The only thing which they seem to have done wrong from the beginning is hold to the traditional Faith. Theologians like Fr. Jacques Dupuis get a slap on the wrist for denying Christ is God, but SSPX are scoundrels for teaching orthodoxy? Pope Benedict recommends that Chinese Catholics collaborate with the Patriotic Association, but not SSPX? The Patriotic Association was the main reason Pius XII wrote Ad Apostolurum Principis, which is where consecrating bishops without Papal permission was made an excommunicable offense. Where does this make sense? Where is the justice? Where is the sense of proportion?

It seems that in the view of many, justice be damned, so long as the Pope says so. I do not see how this is defensible, or Christian. If it is, please tell me how.
 
Excuse me? Rome “attempted” to excommunicate the bishops?
Well if you believe that Archbishop Lefebvre was justified in his actions then that line of thinking would lead you to that conclusion.
Necessity? What necessity?
Where have you been for the last forty years? The fact that Pope Paul VI “revoked” a Rite of the Church (and the rest of the Traditional Sacraments); a Rite guaranteed to the Church for all time by Pope St. Pius V and something that Pope Benedict XVI corrected his two predecessors on in SP, alone shows necessity. Not to mention all the rampant false ecumenism and other such nonsense that has permiated the Vatican these last fifty or so years.
Pope John Paul the II had agreed to consecrate a bishop for the SSPX at a certain date. Archbishop Lefebvre decided to disobey the pope and consecrate not one but four bishops at an earlier date. Again, what “necessity”?
The Vatican reneged on many of the promises they made to Archbishop Lefebvre. He knew he wasn’t going to live forever, and after much prayer and thought, he did what he felt he had to do. Summorum Pontificum, the FSSP, etc. would not exist if it were not for his actions.
With four Constitutions (two of them Dogmatic), three Declarations, and nine Decrees, answering this question would require a whole new thread. Perhaps some other time.
It takes more than just the word “Dogmatic” in the title to actually make it such. Several popes have confirmed this regarding Vatican II. Please start a new thread stating all the binding teachings of Vatican II if you desire to do so, as I would actually like to discuss this.
 
Where have you been for the last forty years? The fact that Pope Paul VI “revoked” a Rite of the Church (and the rest of the Traditional Sacraments); a Rite guaranteed to the Church for all time by Pope St. Pius V and something that Pope Benedict XVI corrected his two predecessors on in SP, alone shows necessity. Not to mention all the rampant false ecumenism and other such nonsense that has permiated the Vatican these last fifty or so years.
You are joking, right??? Canon law does not recognize this as legal “necessity” and, in fact, even recognizes that the charge of “necessity” must be an objective necessity, not subjective. The bishops of the sspx were excommunicated for their disobedience; it had nothing to do with the older rite of the Mass. To those who claim that the excommunications were not valid, why did the bishops feel the need after 20 years to petition the pope for the removal of the excommunications? Also, why did Pope Benedict lift the excommunications and not declare them “invalid?” This is one sandwich that gets old really quick…:rolleyes:
 
You are joking, right???
Nope, and neither was Archbishop Lefebvre.
Canon law does not recognize this as legal “necessity” and, in fact, even recognizes that the charge of “necessity” must be an objective necessity, not subjective.
Apparently I must be missing something:
  1. Pope St. Pius V guarantees to all people the Mass of All Time, for all time.
  2. A later pope forbids this Mass to all but a very small and select few and creates a new Mass to replace it. He also suspends the leader and priests of the “Wildcat Seminary” for saying the Mass that Pope St. Pius V guaranteed them.
  3. A certain Archbishop realizes this is wrong and in the sundown of his life, acts in a way that makes certain that the Traditional Sacraments and Faith are carried on, and he firmly believes that these actions are doing a great and noble service to the entire Church.
I don’t see how this could be any more objective.
The bishops of the sspx were excommunicated for their disobedience; it had nothing to do with the older rite of the Mass.
Who’s joking now? Why were Archbishop Lefebvre and the priests of the SSPX suspended in 1976? It couldn’t have been because they were saying the older Rite of the Mass could it? And the feelings of contempt shown towards the SSPX by the Vatican in the 70s couldn’t have at all carried over to the 80s? And the primary reason for this contempt couldn’t have at all been due to the former’s unwavering position to hold on to the Traditional Mass could it? Why exactly did the Vatican promise Archbishop Lefebvre the permission to consecrate a bishop only later to renege on it several times? It couldn’t have been that there were several Curialists in the Vatican against the Traditional Mass could it?
To those who claim that the excommunications were not valid, why did the bishops feel the need after 20 years to petition the pope for the removal of the excommunications?
As a show of good faith. The Bishops of the SSPX have stated this over and over again. They want the Vatican to eventually state that the excommunications were inherently flawed and invalid.
Also, why did Pope Benedict lift the excommunications and not declare them “invalid?”
Perhaps he believes the excommunications to have been valid or perhaps not. Perhaps politics played a role. Perhaps he didn’t want to declare that his predecessor whom he admired was wrong on this. Perhaps he plans on declaring them invalid later. Perhaps he hasn’t done so already due to pressure from both inside and outside the Church. Or maybe none of the above. I really can’t say, as I can’t read the mind of Pope Benedict XVI. I’m willing to bet much of these questions will be answered by the doctrinal discussions between Rome and the SSPX.
 
Eve: your error in thought is that they are wrongly accused.

They were given the opportunity to distance themselves from the society.

They broke canon law repeatedly (even the 1917 CIC), by electing Lefebvre after he was latae sentencae excommunicated by his actions. The formal announcement of excommunication, right or wrong, forbade them to elect any of the bishops head of the SSPX; the moment they elected Bp Bernad Fellay as superior general, they committed a corporate act of disobedience and schism.
So what ? The Bishop of Rome has lifted the excommunications.
 
Really? So what is preventing them from coming back into full communion with the Church?

Lets understand one thing; the consecration of the four SSPX bishops by Archbishop Lefebvre without the approval of the Roman Pontiff was “gravely illicit, that is criminal and sacrilegious”, according to Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Ad Apostolurum Principis. Any unnecessary delays to come back into full communion with the Church only prolongs this grave offense.

If the SSPX is truly faithful to the Catholic Church and its teachings, to include those of the II Vatican Council, and acknowledge and submit themselves to the full authority of the Pope, then what is holding them back? Pope Benedict XVI has been very generous, understanding and forgiving. The next step belongs to the SSPX. Will they take it?
I really think that people should read more material on the issue of Archbishop Lefevbre, the SSPX and their relationship with the Vatican. There are many good books and articles on the subject. For the pro SSPX position, Michael Davies 3 volume work APOLOGIA PRO MARCEL LEFEVBRE is indispensable(especially the first volume). For an alternate viewpoint, read Yves Congar’s work CHALLENGE TO THE CHURCH. Also, google Count Neri Capponi and see what he says about the legality and justice of many of the actions taken against the SSPX, particularly the 1976 suspension.
The story of the SSPX needs to be told in the context of the post-Conciliar Church and the crisis that contemporary Catholicism is engulfed in. To make it a “black and white” issue is much too simplistic, and turns the people involved in this tragic situation into caricatures. Marcel Lefevbre was a great man who would have been recognized as the greatest Missionary Bishop of the 20th century if this controversy didn’t develop.
Similiarly, men like Cardinal Seper(who opposed Lefevbre) were outstanding churchmen who believed they were doing the right thing. People need to read the full context, and not just make rash judgements based on what they read on blogs or short newspaper articles.
 
Eve: your error in thought is that they are wrongly accused.

They were given the opportunity to distance themselves from the society.

They broke canon law repeatedly (even the 1917 CIC), by electing Lefebvre after he was latae sentencae excommunicated by his actions. The formal announcement of excommunication, right or wrong, forbade them to elect any of the bishops head of the SSPX; the moment they elected Bp Bernad Fellay as superior general, they committed a corporate act of disobedience and schism.
So what ? The Bishop of Rome has lifted the excommunications.
But not the suspensions.
Well, we’ve made some progress. The SSPX Bishops are not excommunicated, and the fact they were means nothing whatsoever.

Just wanted to clear that up for any lurkers who may read the thread.
 
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