Is it okay to read stuff by an author with this view on abortion?

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“The far right wants no abortions ever for any reason. The far left holds the position that if you can cut off a full-term infant’s head before his feet clear the birth canal, that should be a legal, acceptable abortion (partial-birth abortion). In the middle, there are a lot of folks like me, who think choice is what you make when you decide to have sex*, but that when your life is in danger or choice was taken away from you because of rape or incest (or in other special cases), you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked (and if your life is in danger, abortion right up to the point where the infant could live if C-sectioned — an abortion is no less dangerous and may be more dangerous than a C-section by that point). There are a lot of folks to the left of me who think you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked, for any reason you like. I disagree with them, but they’re still in the middle ground.”
 
“The far right wants no abortions ever for any reason. The far left holds the position that if you can cut off a full-term infant’s head before his feet clear the birth canal, that should be a legal, acceptable abortion (partial-birth abortion). In the middle, there are a lot of folks like me, who think choice is what you make when you decide to have sex*, but that when your life is in danger or choice was taken away from you because of rape or incest (or in other special cases), you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked (and if your life is in danger, abortion right up to the point where the infant could live if C-sectioned — an abortion is no less dangerous and may be more dangerous than a C-section by that point). There are a lot of folks to the left of me who think you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked, for any reason you like. I disagree with them, but they’re still in the middle ground.”
You can read whatever you want. Just don’t form your faith around things outside the church.

This position is not in line with the Catholic Faith.
 
It depends on what you’re reading by this author. If it’s something he/she has expertise in, and has nothing to do with abortion or other Church teachings, then there shouldn’t be a problem.
 
“The far right wants no abortions ever for any reason. The far left holds the position that if you can cut off a full-term infant’s head before his feet clear the birth canal, that should be a legal, acceptable abortion (partial-birth abortion). In the middle, there are a lot of folks like me, who think choice is what you make when you decide to have sex*, but that when your life is in danger or choice was taken away from you because of rape or incest (or in other special cases), you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked (and if your life is in danger, abortion right up to the point where the infant could live if C-sectioned — an abortion is no less dangerous and may be more dangerous than a C-section by that point). There are a lot of folks to the left of me who think you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked, for any reason you like. I disagree with them, but they’re still in the middle ground.”
Your entire post is in quotes… Are you quoting an author? Who? Or is it your own opinion?

In any case, you should read whatever you want. No reason not to, just because you disagree with the author!
 
I disagree with them, but they’re still in the middle ground.
Please cite your quotes.

Also, be careful about this “middle ground”. The strategy of the left is become radical so the “middle ground” caters to them even more.

“Middle ground” can also mean destruction at a more leisurely pace.
 
Source: hollylisle.com/on-the-other-hand/
I guess I’m reluctant to give someone with this view money they might, for example, give to a pro-abortion group. Is this unwarranted?
I think it’s important to read the thoughts of people with which you disagree, both so that you can understand where they’re coming from and consider their point of view (on issues you could be wrong about) and so you know what you’re up against (on issues that you’re right about, and need to defend).

If all you want is the viewpoint of the “middle ground”, you could just read free blog posts and similar resources. If you want this book specifically, I’d say go ahead and buy it.It’s important to know what your opponents are saying. Also, according to the link, the book is about much more than abortion. I think it’s unlikely that someone with this “middle ground” view who didn’t write about abortion specifically would then turn around and give significant amounts of money to abortion activists or clinics. If it bothers you that much, you could also see whether the book can be obtained through your local library system.

(As I’m sure you know, this “middle ground” view of abortion is nonsense, and only works if the pregnancy is nothing more than a natural punishment inflicted on women who have sex, which is clearly not what pregnancy is. We don’t want to stop abortion because we want to punish people with pregnancy; we want to stop it because it’s killing someone. These choices-have-consequences arguments are really starting to annoy me, because that’s not the important issue, and we need to stop framing it that way. If someone thinks that a fetus isn’t a child, by all means, let them argue that position. But if they aren’t children, why should any mother have a legal obligation to bear them? And if they are children, why should it ever be permissible to kill a child? There’s no logical “middle ground” when it comes to this issue.)
 
If the author’s views were put into law, then 98-99% of the abortions in this country would be illegal. As such, the author would deserve the title “pro-life”, even though he/she doesn’t oppose all abortions.

If we don’t start identifying people like this as allies, not enemies, we will never win the abortion debate!
 
If the author’s views were put into law, then 98-99% of the abortions in this country would be illegal. As such, the author would deserve the title “pro-life”, even though he/she doesn’t oppose all abortions.

If we don’t start identifying people like this as allies, not enemies, we will never win the abortion debate!
This is true. It still doesn’t make logical sense, but including these people does give us a much, much greater chance of greatly reducing the number of deaths- which is, after all, the priority. I’ll try to remember that in the future. :o
 
It still doesn’t make logical sense…
It’s not entirely illogical. Saying that an embryo is an innocent human being doesn’t necessarily decide the matter, since there are cases where it is permissible to kill an innocent human being, at least according to the Church – in cases of ectopic pregnancy, for example. (Here “kill” simply means “cause the death of”, not “murder”.)

The author could be thinking that there is a moral obligation to not abort children of rape, but perhaps that there shouldn’t be a *legal *obligation. There are certain things that the law allows that are clearly and unambiguously wrong: e.g., manipulating people, lying for selfish reasons, having casual sex. I presume that there are various rationales for these omissions, many of which are sensible enough. My own opinion is that the pro-life movement should leave room for some nuance here, so long as we expose this nonsense that the pro-choice movement is mostly out to protect women whose pregnancies are killing them. :rolleyes:
 
It’s not entirely illogical. Saying that an embryo is an innocent human being doesn’t necessarily decide the matter, since there are cases where it is permissible to kill an innocent human being, at least according to the Church – in cases of ectopic pregnancy, for example. (Here “kill” simply means “cause the death of”, not “murder”.)
That’s a good point, but in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, our priority is still protecting the life of the mother, knowing that we can’t save the child. And even then, we’re not allowed to kill the fetus before removing it. I don’t think we’re allowed to end a life unless it’s necessary to preserve more lives.

The fact is that if we say that women should be legally allowed to abort fetuses conceived by rape or incest, we are saying that people should have the right to kill people who depend on them, if it isn’t their fault that the dependent exists or is dependent on them. It’s not about whose fault it is. It is never, never, never about the fault of the mother or the father or anyone else. The reason we don’t abort children is that we must act to preserve people’s lives, regardless of how they came into existence.

However, you are correct that “except in cases of rape or incest” is way better than letting the other 98% of abortions go unchallenged, and we should act to end as many deaths as possible by pointing out that rape and incest only make up around 1% of abortions. Probably. Rape is under-reported, sadly, so we can’t be sure. 😦 It’s probably a small percentage compared to the rest.
The author could be thinking that there is a moral obligation to not abort children of rape, but perhaps that there shouldn’t be a *legal *obligation. There are certain things that the law allows that are clearly and unambiguously wrong: e.g., manipulating people, lying for selfish reasons, having casual sex. I presume that there are various rationales for these omissions, many of which are sensible enough. My own opinion is that the pro-life movement should leave room for some nuance here, so long as we expose this nonsense that the pro-choice movement is mostly out to protect women whose pregnancies are killing them. :rolleyes:
Yes, normally I do think there should be some space between our moral and legal obligations, since we can’t expect others to follow our religious beliefs. Hormonal birth control is a good example- we know it’s wrong to use it as contraception, but I don’t know of anyone who wants to outlaw it. But when it comes to killing people, it’s not really the same thing. The state must protect the people who live within its borders, and protecting their lives is the most basic level of that.

Why do some people think that that obligation changes in the case of a child conceived in rape? We’re not acting to preserve life anymore, as we were with the ectopic pregnancy. It seems like they’re saying that since a person didn’t freely choose an action, they don’t deserve the punishment, when a pregnancy isn’t simply a punishment for promiscuity. One person should never be regarded as a punishment for another. What matters isn’t that people get what they deserve, but that people- both mother and child- are protected as much as possible.

And yes, even though that’s my position, I do think we need to support people and politicians who support ending abortion except in the case of rape or incest. We shouldn’t let ourselves be divided, since again, the priority is protecting people. For that reason, my political positions are somewhat different than my personal beliefs.
 
That’s a good point, but in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, our priority is still protecting the life of the mother, knowing that we can’t save the child. And even then, we’re not allowed to kill the fetus before removing it. I don’t think we’re allowed to end a life unless it’s necessary to preserve more lives.

The fact is that if we say that women should be legally allowed to abort fetuses conceived by rape or incest, we are saying that people should have the right to kill people who depend on them, if it isn’t their fault that the dependent exists or is dependent on them. It’s not about whose fault it is. It is never, never, never about the fault of the mother or the father or anyone else. The reason we don’t abort children is that we must act to preserve people’s lives, regardless of how they came into existence.
I agree.

However, I think you would agree that it would not be exaggerating to say that the woman who is raped and bears a child (whether to keep or to adopt) is doing something heroic. Even if she is ethically required to do this, it is still extremely burdensome both physically and psychologically.

I am not aware of other cases in which the law requires a person to be a hero. There are Good Samaritan laws, but even these rarely require a person to incur bodily or psychological trauma.

I don’t know what my opinion is. I do think abortion is wrong in these cases, but I’m not sure about legality. It is a very unusual case; I can’t think of other cases where the law has to consider this sort of situation. Perhaps a good comparison is, back when divorce required cause, a person who cheats on a spouse that is physically and mentally incapacitated? Here, again, we would say that faithfulness is heroic, but the law might forbid unfaithfulness.

Mind you, I don’t think most politicians have thought out this issue, or have good defenses for their position (aside from popularity).
 
I agree.

However, I think you would agree that it would not be exaggerating to say that the woman who is raped and bears a child (whether to keep or to adopt) is doing something heroic. Even if she is ethically required to do this, it is still extremely burdensome both physically and psychologically.

I am not aware of other cases in which the law requires a person to be a hero. There are Good Samaritan laws, but even these rarely require a person to incur bodily or psychological trauma.

I don’t know what my opinion is. I do think abortion is wrong in these cases, but I’m not sure about legality. It is a very unusual case; I can’t think of other cases where the law has to consider this sort of situation. Perhaps a good comparison is, back when divorce required cause, a person who cheats on a spouse that is physically and mentally incapacitated? Here, again, we would say that faithfulness is heroic, but the law might forbid unfaithfulness.

Mind you, I don’t think most politicians have thought out this issue, or have good defenses for their position (aside from popularity).
I agree that it is a heroic action. It’s very sad that people are more often judged for this heroism than lauded for it, on both sides of the political fence. 😦

It is a difficult issue. I will stand by those who support lessening abortions in any way, because I am interested in saving lives. Ideally, however, I would not like to see the the law condone unnecessarily killing innocents in any situation, even if it requires heroism to save them. And I will also always stand with those who wish to help mothers in bad situations without abortion. We should protect as many people as possible, both mothers and children, however we can.
 
And I will also always stand with those who wish to help mothers in bad situations without abortion. We should protect as many people as possible, both mothers and children, however we can.
Amen to that! 👍
 
“The far right wants no abortions ever for any reason. The far left holds the position that if you can cut off a full-term infant’s head before his feet clear the birth canal, that should be a legal, acceptable abortion (partial-birth abortion). In the middle, there are a lot of folks like me, who think choice is what you make when you decide to have sex*, but that when your life is in danger or choice was taken away from you because of rape or incest (or in other special cases), you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked (and if your life is in danger, abortion right up to the point where the infant could live if C-sectioned — an abortion is no less dangerous and may be more dangerous than a C-section by that point). There are a lot of folks to the left of me who think you should be permitted an abortion through the end of the first term, no questions asked, for any reason you like. I disagree with them, but they’re still in the middle ground.”
well, I would like to say that if the book has noting to do with that maybe there is no problem. I mean you are making him somewhat rich, but IMO what are you supporting is his writing skills and not his ideas.

so does the book is based on that? if it is why do you want to read it? i mean i would not buy a book that offends the Church (not saying this one does just giving an example) unless for a “know thine enemy” tactic, but what are your reasons?.
 
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