Is it okay to support the Girl Scouts?

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rotlex said:
Yes, I absolutely support them in our local area. Get a freakin’ grip. My daughter has been a girl scout for a number of years. They don’t indoctrinate or brain wash anyone. They are a group of young girls that get along well, have a good time doing crafts, camping and yes, selling cookies. Heck, my parish supports both our local girl scout as well as boy scout troops.

Really, get over it. The zealots on these forums are too much to take sometime.

“It’s a conspiracy man! It’s in the cookies!” :rolleyes:
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I don’t have a daughter, but still give this post a 👍 and massive props.
 
rotlex said:
Yes, I absolutely support them in our local area. Get a freakin’ grip. My daughter has been a girl scout for a number of years. They don’t indoctrinate or brain wash anyone. They are a group of young girls that get along well, have a good time doing crafts, camping and yes, selling cookies. Heck, my parish supports both our local girl scout as well as boy scout troops.

Really, get over it. The zealots on these forums are too much to take sometime.

“It’s a conspiracy man! It’s in the cookies!” :rolleyes:
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You have to laugh, or it will keep you awake nights. The real entertainment is to bounce around to sites with opposing biases and see how the rhetoric is EXACTLY the same, with only the subjects changing sides.
 
Really, get over it. The zealots on these forums are too much to take sometime.
Like I said in a previous post - it is nearly impossible to exist in our current culture without getting pulled into it. At work, at play, at Church, at school, most social functions and even with kids extracurricular activities. I’m not questioning you for allowing your daughter to participate in Girl Scouts, but you should be aware that at the upper levels there is an ideology being espoused that differs from the teachings of the Church. I’m sure you are a great spiritual leader for your family and manage the outside influences. But 'knowledge is power’and this thread may help you in that regard.

In order to keep our jobs and the kids in school and so on, we have to co-exist to a degree. The real question is, to what degree.
 
rotlex said:
Yes, I absolutely support them in our local area. Get a freakin’ grip. My daughter has been a girl scout for a number of years. They don’t indoctrinate or brain wash anyone. They are a group of young girls that get along well, have a good time doing crafts, camping and yes, selling cookies. Heck, my parish supports both our local girl scout as well as boy scout troops.
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Congrats that you have a clean and happy little Girl Scout troop – just because you’re uneducated about what’s going on outside of your own troop, does not mean there is no issue. Is it okay to work at a Planned Parenthood that only does well-woman checks, mammogram referral and std testing, because there’s nothing bad going on there at that clinic == right? Would you be okay with that?

Why would the USCCB launch an official investigation into the Girl Scouts if there were no issues? Why have other parishes banned Girl Scouts == would you recommend those holy priests “get a freakin grip”? I’m sorry but sarcasm, name calling and “eye rolling” in response to the presentation of documented facts have never impressed me.
 
Seeker1961 said:
LifeSite news is just as biased as HuffPo, just in a direction that people here happen to agree with as much as they disagree with HuffPo.
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What do you consider a credible source? Just curious —
 
crosslover said:
What do you consider a credible source? Just curious —
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I read multiple sources because I feel that pretty much all of them have some kind of bias. I read some with a left bias, and some with a right bias and I figure that somewhere in the middle I get the truth.
 
rotlex said:
Yes, I absolutely support them in our local area. Get a freakin’ grip. My daughter has been a girl scout for a number of years. They don’t indoctrinate or brain wash anyone. They are a group of young girls that get along well, have a good time doing crafts, camping and yes, selling cookies. Heck, my parish supports both our local girl scout as well as boy scout troops.

Really, get over it. The zealots on these forums are too much to take sometime.

“It’s a conspiracy man! It’s in the cookies!” :rolleyes:
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Please have a little more charity towards the families here that have come to a different decision than you have concerning the Girl Scouts. I know for us it was not an easy decision and we prayed and discerned for quite awhile until we decided it was best to no longer be directly involved in the organization. I’m sure if you stated your reasons for keeping your daughter in the organization in a much more respectful manner, it would be much easier to understand how you came to that decision instead of calling some of us “zealots” or rolling your eyes at us.

We’re all parents trying to do what is best for our children and we will disagree, but its not necessary to degrade those that make a different decision than you did.
 
I have no problem supporting Girls Scouts, at least for now. I know many of these young girls sell their cookies just to raise money for their activities. I also support Little League teams, soccer teams and many other youth fund raises in good conscience. The OP asked for a reason. I do it to support the kids involved. When this issue came up last year, I found many stories about the connection with Planned Parenthood. Upon inspection, I found there were two incidents that were recirculated, and one connection that was not an official position of GSA.

The matter was under investigation by the USCCB. If they come out with evidence that this connection is enough to warrant discontinuation of support for all Girl Scouts, then of course I will stop buying the cookies.
 
rotlex said:
Yes, I absolutely support them in our local area. Get a freakin’ grip. My daughter has been a girl scout for a number of years. They don’t indoctrinate or brain wash anyone. They are a group of young girls that get along well, have a good time doing crafts, camping and yes, selling cookies. Heck, my parish supports both our local girl scout as well as boy scout troops.

Really, get over it. The zealots on these forums are too much to take sometime.

“It’s a conspiracy man! It’s in the cookies!” :rolleyes:
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:thumbsup:This!
 
I appreciate everyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut. At this time, I will remain in the undecided camp. I am relying on a few things here: (1) my local parish has found the Girl Scouts to be acceptable at this time, (2) my daughter was involved in the Girl Scouts as recently as a year ago and the people running the Girl Scout troop at our parish was not doing anything contrary to Catholic teaching, (3) the USCCB, although looking into the matter of the national organization, hasn’t made any recommendations regarding participation in the Girl Scouts at this time.

At the same time, I will move forward with caution and watch with interest what the resolution to this matter will be. I have no problem with local parishes coming to the conclusion that they do not want the Girl Scouts allowed at their parish.

To date, I am not aware of any bishops issuing an edict that all of their parishes within their diocese dissolve relationships with the Girl Scouts (although I am aware - thanks to responses in this thread, that there has been a response by at least one Bishop in opposition to the Girl Scouts).

If anyone knows of recent news regarding this issue from the USCCB or other parishes ceasing their relationships with the Girl Scouts (other than the one Virginia parish referenced elsewhere within this thread), please let me know.

Thanks! 🙂
 
I understand where you are coming from. My opinion is that most pastors/Bishops are not fully informed. Discernment requires an investment of time to understand what is going on at so many levels. But I think clergy is becoming more aware and I think we’ll see more on that in the coming months. This new column was released yesterday, written by attorney Mary Rice Hasson, noted Catholic Studies Fellow at The Ethics and Public Policy Center. Mary shares in detail about the International Girl Scout organization — WAGGGS — and their recent work with International Planned Parenthood Federation to promote to decriminalization of abortion and prostitution. She also shares her conversation with GSUSA about WAGGGS controversial advocacy efforts, and GSUSA’s refusal to denounce WAGGGS’ position. GSUSA also refused to take any steps to ensure they (and GS supporters) do not fund WAGGGS abortion/prostitution rights advocacy. wordsfromcana.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/girl-scouts-still-humming-the-pro-abortion-chorus/ God bless you in your search for truth.
 
crosslover said:
I understand where you are coming from. My opinion is that most pastors/Bishops are not fully informed. Discernment requires an investment of time to understand what is going on at so many levels.
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I do not think it fair to assume that bishops and pastors are not informed because they do not reach the same conclusions. For example, the blog you posted is one of the two people I mentioned I came across a year ago when I started looking into this. From your post:
“Who else’s fingerprints are all over the Declaration? WAGGGS.”
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When one reads down, you see that there really aren’t fingerprints, as in some proof that Girl Scouts were involved. This next quote is not an endorsement
“GSUSA does not have an official position on the Bali Global Youth Forum Declaration,” and demurred further comment because “the lengthy declaration deals with very complex issues… [and] deserves a thorough review.”
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So I have to disagree. Discernment is not a matter of listening to bloggers, but investigating facts and not imputing guilt by association, which is actually an inductive fallacy. I came across this same problem a year ago, because I was already to pounce on GSA, but held back. I will now wait until the Church speaks. That’s what this Catholic does.
 
I was a Brownie and a Girl Scout, (circa 1960’s). My daughter was a Daisy, a Brownie and a Girl Scout. Both of us sold Girl Scout Cookies.

My daughter’s school (A CATHOLIC school, :eek:) had Daisy, Brownie, Girl Scout and Junior Scouts. Meetings were held at the school. (the horror)

Same with the Boy Scouts.

Muchado about nothing. My second cousin is very active in her parish in MA, and they participate in a relay for cancer, yep, Susan G Komen, pink ribbons, yougurt, the whole bag of chips.

I guess the Bishop in the Diocese of Springfield, didn’t get CAF’s memo about it being a no-no. 🤷

As for me, yeah, I buy Girl Scout cookies every year. I still have my sash, patches, as does my daughter. As far as I know there are still Girl Scouts among the Catholic School girls in the Charleston Diocese (SC).

again, muchado about nothing.🤷
 
It seems to me that the answer is actually Yes and No. When folks say that their troop has nothing of the sexual secular brainwashing activity occurring in their troop … well, I see no reason to disbelieve them. If the troop belongs to the parish, and troop leaders are responsible in advising their membership that Planned Parenthood and contraception, sterilization, abortion and such are not acceptable moral behavior … well, it is no different than saying I support Catholic hospitals that don’t provide these services, and we do not represent the views of secular hospitals with these services … and all hospitals on balance are a good thing. The answer is NO when it involves actively fund-raising providing kickbacks to the PP propaganda campaign … that is formal cooperation in intrinsic evil. If the bishops find that this is indeed happening, it would seem that they would have to make provisions accordingly, such as allow GSA troops but disallowing fund-raising using national GSA mechanisms … maybe, a locally baked Girl Scout cookie campaigns. Like my mom used to joke … Are you sure these are real Girl Scout cookies? Are they made with real Girl Scouts?
 
pnewton said:
When one reads down, you see that there really aren’t fingerprints, as in some proof that Girl Scouts were involved.
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WAGGGS (World Association Girl Guides and GIRL SCOUTS) is the international Girl Scout group of which GSUSA is a founding member, the largest member and GSUSA is also WAGGGS primary funder. WAGGGS was on the steering committee for the Dec 2012 Bali Youth conference- and they were key players in formulating the Bali Declaration which advocated for sexual rights for children, abortion and decriminalization of prostitution, which they are now promoting to their members and working for the declaration to become a reality. WAGGGS continues to claim they represent 10 million members (includes our American Girl Scouts) when they advocate for these terrible things. How can you say that WAGGGS fingerprints are not on the declaration?

I know some Bishops/Pastors are unaware because I heard it from their own mouths.
 
crosslover said:
How can you say that WAGGGS fingerprints are not on the declaration?
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Because every sentence inserted and needed increases distance. The remoteness of cooperation increases. Thus, as I said, I will wait until the Church speaks.
 
Unfortunately I can no longer support GSA. Even if they are just a little bit involved with PP, that’s too much. There is also the issue that the Girl Scouts leadership consistently pressures the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual male scout leaders. Do the Girl Scouts allow heterosexual males to take young girls on camping trips? That would be just as absurd as allowing homosexual male scout leaders to take young boys on camping trips.
 
rotlex said:
Yes, I absolutely support them in our local area. Get a freakin’ grip. My daughter has been a girl scout for a number of years. They don’t indoctrinate or brain wash anyone. They are a group of young girls that get along well, have a good time doing crafts, camping and yes, selling cookies. Heck, my parish supports both our local girl scout as well as boy scout troops.

Really, get over it. The zealots on these forums are too much to take sometime.

“It’s a conspiracy man! It’s in the cookies!” :rolleyes:
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👍👍👍
 
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