Is it possible for a Religious person to go full circle and become atheist

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My post was aimed specifically at the part of your post I quoted, considering the church’s doctrine.
 
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No I meant church doctrine, not historical controversies. That’s what I thought you were referring to. Why get upset about something the church has admitted was a mistake? There are fallible and infallible teachings. If the church later admits a fallible decision was wrong, is that unacceptable somehow? Also it seems like you’re frustrated the church won’t elevate the latest scientific theories to doctrine: can you see the issue with that? There’s no need to demand belief in anything or restrict interpretation of anything that isn’t necessary for salvation, that’s not the church’s mission. “In essentials unity, in non-essentials, liberty etc.”
 
Yes the knowledge is there, God gave the wisdom and knowledge however there are also times that God test our patience and fidelity. One of the prominent examples was Job, he clearly knew that God was the source of all good things that happened in his life but still God gave some challenges, these challenges were made to test our capacity to be patient, to love and to be kind at all times. God knows everything he does and our religious are human beings and there’s no human being that we describe as perfect except for Mary and Jesus. Other example was Abraham, God gave what Abraham wants but there’s a twist Abraham must offer Isaac like a lamb then Abraham did, he never asked God why? You gave me a son then your’e going to take it after all. He obediently did what God wants. In our this days, religious can make a sin. Do you remember the priest who had been reported because of rape. They are not perfect though but still God did this to make sure that we establish a good faith with the priest. There are priest who had been consecrated but still they don’t knew that their vocation was not for being a priest but by being a head of family. Then they’re going to send a petition to the pope so that they can quit from their service. The main problem is not the Divine knowledge but the human knowledge capacity. Remember the story of the Eden Garden, at the center of Eden there stood a tree of good and evil. God test Adam then.
 
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Yes the knowledge is there, God gave the wisdom and knowledge however there are also times that God test our patience and fidelity. One of the prominent examples was Job, he clearly knew that God was the source of all good things that happened in his life but still God gave some challenges, these challenges were made to test our capacity to be patient, to love and to be kind at all times.
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Don’t get me started on the Job story. It is simply atrocious.
God knows everything he does and our religious are human beings and there’s no human being that we describe as perfect except for Mary and Jesus.
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Being born without original sin seems to give a heads up. Doesn’t it?
Other example was Abraham, God gave what Abraham wants but there’s a twist Abraham must offer Isaac like a lamb then Abraham did, he never asked God why? You gave me a son then your’e going to take it after all. He obediently did what God wants.
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Yet Abraham was a sinner. As well as Job, and Noah, and Moses, and David and so on. They were ready to murder on divine order. I would not be. I guess that makes me a bad person.
Remember the story of the Eden Garden, at the center of Eden there stood a tree of good and evil. God test Adam then.
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How can anything be a test if you know the outcome?
 
Hi Michaelangelo!
Please kindly be clear with your questions.
 
Hi Damian243. I wonder if religious in your first sentence refers to being a religious (such as a Jesuit or a Dominican) with religious used as a noun?
In that case, I think, you would be referring to a member of a religious community who had stumbled in their faith and, perhaps, become lost.
However, in your Jewish example, I wonder if the Jewish person in this case might be someone who was born Jewish (a member of an ethnic group with a maternal parent who was Jewish) but who did not believe in the Judaic faith or in the existence of God. Some of the activities associated with Judaism might continue, but without a personal recognition of them as part of the faith.
It’s a bit difficult for me to follow your argument because being Jewish can involve an ethnic identity, and/or a religious identity and being religious can involve religious activity and/or belonging to a specific group of religious.
Take care,
jt
 
Sometimes only through unbearable suffering people leave the faith.
Violence victims or injustice victims, those who experienced the unbearable phisical or mental suffering can fall into such apostacy, but this happens frequently from too much pain and human weakness.
 
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