Is it possible for the US gov to mandate Catholic church to ordain woman?

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Rence said:
Obviously the meaning you get out of the two articles is in conflict with the meaning the government officials have gotten out of them. There’s more to it than thinking the government can’t do this or that. The government has had it’s hands in medicaid, medicare, insurance companies and employment laws for quite some time, and has given the HHS a lot of juristiction on behalf of the people.
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That’s because voters are sheeple and will surrender their rights of liberty in exchange for a piece of someone else’s pie.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
That’s because voters are sheeple and will surrender their rights of liberty in exchange for a piece of someone else’s pie.
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Could we give up words like “sheeple” for Lent, please??

I know that many like to use that word. But ISTM that we should be able to debate issues without the use of words that are frankly insulting.

God Bless, ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
Could we give up words like “sheeple” for Lent, please??

I know that many like to use that word. But ISTM that we should be able to debate issues without the use of words that are frankly insulting.

God Bless, ICXC NIKA
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I like it because it fits. When you hear of people standing around in lines for “Obama money”, what other term can you use?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I like it because it fits. When you hear of people standing around in lines for “Obama money”, what other term can you use?
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Actually, that just sounds like “average citizens”, lamentably.

These phenomena are not a result of Obama. They are far older than his reign and will persist after he is gone (whether in one, or more likely five, years).

God Bless, ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
Actually, that just sounds like “average citizens”, lamentably.

These phenomena are not a result of Obama. They are far older than his reign and will persist after he is gone (whether in one, or more likely five, years).

God Bless, ICXC NIKA
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I can’t argue this point.
 
The Obama administration took the position last fall before the Supreme Court that it could dictate who could be ministers in a church in order to prevent “discrimination.” That assertion was rejected by the Supreme Court, 9-0. See HOSANNA-TABOR EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH AND SCHOOL v. EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION ET AL., U.S. S. Ct. 10-553.

This attack on religious freedom was very scary, because they tried to do it totally under the radar screen (this was a case where an ordained woman teacher in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod had allegedly been wrongfully terminated in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act). However, the Supreme Court justices found the Obama administration’s position shocking, and uniformly rejected the arguments. But it shows the present administration will try to do if it can get away with it.

If it had gone the other way, then the government could have required churches to have women, homosexuals etc. as ministers under the guise of remedying discrimination.
 
sedonaman said:
Just you wait. They will find some excuse, no matter how far-fetched. All they need is one sympathetic judge.
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I didn’t read all of the posts here, but I agree, there will be constant attempts at incrementally eroding our religious liberty in this country.

Not surprising at all, our Lord said it would be so, in so many words.

Our Church has outlasted may powerful rulers and municipalities. Don’t worrry, be confident, but be vigilant. 👍
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I like it because it fits. When you hear of people standing around in lines for “Obama money”, what other term can you use?
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Well said. I once heard someone complaining they weren’t getting enough ‘Obama money’ (her choice of words, BTW). When the recepient of her complaints asked her where this ‘Obama money’ was supposed to come from, she said ‘Obama’s stash’. I am not optimistic. Oy.

On a more serious note, I would not put anything past the current government’s desires, and any hard-secular government really. Recently, Cardinal Dolan was complaining that Obama was lecturing the bishop’s on Catholic Theology re the HHS mandate. I think we need to brace ourselves for all the new attacks against the Chruch which are making their way down the pipeline.

Why, oh why, can’t the womenpriests just be happy and found their own church without forcing their heresy on us. Well, it sort of answers the question, doesn’t it?
 
PumpkinSeed said:
By saying that, you acknowledge that you think it is inequality.
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Inequalities are part of life, including gender-based ones.

The Catholic Church is not a democracy, and is not susceptible to grassroots pressure. It is our LORD’s greater body. And bodies survive only when firmly led from the top.

ICXC NIKA
 
PumpkinSeed said:
By saying that, you acknowledge that you think it is inequality.
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Perhaps I should have said, “Because there are those against inequality and discrimination in any form who are pushing for this [women priests].” People want inequality, and discrimination is necessary because it’s the very purpose of the law.
 
GEddie said:
Inequalities are part of life, including gender-based ones.

The Catholic Church is not a democracy, and is not susceptible to grassroots pressure. It is our LORD’s greater body. And bodies survive only when firmly led from the top.

ICXC NIKA
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I am well aware of that. However, I can understand why somebody would be upset over it.
 
You know this might sound weird, but it is just a question…

Since men only are allowed to be priests, what would be the case of a transgender individual? A person born a woman, but later becomes a man. Would they be able to be a priest?
 
PumpkinSeed said:
You know this might sound weird, but it is just a question…

Since men only are allowed to be priests, what would be the case of a transgender individual? A person born a woman, but later becomes a man. Would they be able to be a priest?
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Not weird at all. Rather, a perceptive question arising from a weird situation.

The answer is no. One does not in fact change their gender, one only mutilates their body to appear as one of the other gender. The sex, determined by the DNA in every cell of one’s body, remains the same.

If someone is born female, they remain female forever. Every cell of them from the scalp to the toetips will carry XX chromosomes, and surgical changes to the external body doesn’t change that.

The Church will not consider them male, it will, IIUC, consider them female with psychological adjustment issues and, as such, would not ordain them.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
Not weird at all. Rather, a perceptive question arising from a weird situation.

The answer is no. One does not in fact change their gender, one only mutilates their body to appear as one of the other gender. The sex, determined by the DNA in every cell of one’s body, remains the same.

If someone is born female, they remain female forever. Every cell of them from the scalp to the toetips will carry XX chromosomes, and surgical changes to the external body doesn’t change that.

The Church will not consider them male, it will, IIUC, consider them female with psychological adjustment issues and, as such, would not ordain them.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA
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I understand it doesn’t change genetically, but mentally if they feel they are really male born in the wrong body, what would the church say to that? That its only a mental problem? Or rather truth?
 
PumpkinSeed said:
I am well aware of that. However, I can understand why somebody would be upset over it.
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And I can’t understand that if women priests are so important to them, why don’t they go join a religion that has them instead of :banghead: ?
 
PumpkinSeed said:
I understand it doesn’t change genetically, but mentally if they feel they are really male born in the wrong body, what would the church say to that? That its only a mental problem? Or rather truth?
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The Church holds that each soul is made to fit that specific body, therefore there is no -one “having the wrong body.”. Such feelings are an adjustment issue. ICXC NIKA
 
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