Is it possible to have Mortal Sin after Baptism?

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Verbum_Caro said:
That’s intersting. How did you come by that understanding?

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VC
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One can for example find such in the old moral manuals used by confessors in the past among others.

(I would note for reader that while they have certainly retained value – Mortal Theology has of course gone through a renewal and ressourcement since their writing)
 
Bookcat said:
One can for example find such in the old moral manuals used by confessors in the past among others.

(I would note for reader that while they have certainly retained value – Mortal Theology has of course gone through a renewal and ressourcement since their writing)
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Can you give any examples?

(Not, of course, examples where it was recommended not to confess sins from pre-baptism, nor that it is unecessary to confess sins from pre-baptism, but where pre-baptism sins in themselves are insufficient matter for the sacrament of confession.)

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VC
 
Verbum_Caro said:
Can you give any examples?

(Not, of course, examples where it was recommended not to confess sins from pre-baptism, nor that it is unecessary to confess sins from pre-baptism, but where pre-baptism sins in themselves are insufficient matter for the sacrament of confession.)

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VC
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“*Free and sufficient matter *is all venial sins committed after Baptism (whether already confessed or not) and also all mortal sins already …confessed and directly remitted”

“*Insufficient matter *is all sins committed before Baptism, imperfections and doubtful sins”

Fr. Herber Jone Moral Theology - Tan Pg 389
 
That is pretty interesting as well! Thanks Bookcat! Jone is a great source.
 
Yes, danke. If you know of sny other instances of the same please let us know.

VC
 
Orogeny said:
I don’t know about old kings, but it is certainly true that many people tried to time their baptism with the approach of death. You have to understand, we didn’t have a sacrament of reconciliation for a long time. The only sacrament that removed sin was baptism.

Peace

Tim
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I was under the impression that there had always been a sacrament of reconciliation but that its form had changed over time.

Early on, it required public confession, which may have caused some to defer baptism so they would not have to be subject to public confession for very long.

In some locations, reconciliation may also have been a once-per-life sacrament and was referred to by some of the Church Fathers as “second baptism.” In places where it was considered once-per-life, it was also frequently deferred until one’s deathbed.

stmaryvalleybloom.org/scrutiny.html
The Church Fathers considered re-baptism (for example as practiced by the Donatists) to be a mockery of God’s grace which is once and for all. Nevertheless the Fathers did speak about a kind of second baptism. It is what we know today as the Sacrament of Reconciliation or Penance.

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icbs.com/prayer/Sermons/confession-sacrament-of.htm
[The] sacrament [of confession] is known by some other names also. Sacrament of penance, S. of reconciliation, s. of tears/Second baptism. etc. depending upon the emphasis given. It is supposed to bring about reconciliation between God and the sinner and the sinner and the community. It is called “second baptism”.
 
Verbum_Caro said:
Yes, danke. If you know of sny other instances of the same please let us know.

VC
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I recall using a book from the University Library called “Sacraments and their Celebration” it likely could mention such.
 
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