Is it proper to go up for a blessing when not receiving Communion?

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Notice how he does not forbid it either. :rolleyes:
That may or may not be the case, but, if you also notice during the Papal Masses, Pope Benedict doesn’t bless people in lieu of giving them Holy Communion. The ones who approach him do so in order to receive Our Lord.
 
Yes, that’s true, but c’mon…anyone having the privilage of going to a papal mass is going up for the Eucharist. Point taken, but a papal mass and regular old mass at the parish that one has gone to for years and years are quite the same thing.

Who’s going to go to a papal mass and ***not ***have communion? I’m guessing that when watching those masses you don’t see people sitting in the pews and not going up for communion, either.
 
Yes, that’s true, but c’mon…anyone having the privilage of going to a papal mass is going up for the Eucharist. Point taken, but a papal mass and regular old mass at the parish that one has gone to for years and years are quite the same thing.

Who’s going to go to a papal mass and ***not ***have communion? I’m guessing that when watching those masses you don’t see people sitting in the pews and not going up for communion, either.
Actually, CTV, the Vatican Television Center, does a pretty good job at panning the camera towards the faithful during Holy Communion. I have yet to see anyone approaching the priest to receive a blessing. Those who approach (and granted, it’s not the most organized affair) come forward to receive Holy Communion.

I think that, with all due respect, you might have sunk your own argument when you said:
anyone having the privilage of going to a papal mass is going up for the Eucharist.
This doesn’t just apply to a papal Mass, but to the Mass in general. The is the Mass no matter who the celebrant is. The idea is that when you go to Mass, provided that you are properly disposed, you also go up to receive Holy Communion, not a blessing.
 
Somehow, I knew you were going to say that.😃

Actually, my position was that everyone at a papal mass wouldn’t miss that opportunity to take communion; just being there is very special.

In any case, this debate will continue ad nauseum, on both sides until the priests and bishops take a stand against the practice.
 
That’s not quite the case. The bishop can and does regulate the Liturgy within his own diocese, but that is not expanded to mean that the bishop can do, or approve, whatever he pleases in the Mass. Just because a bishop approves something, still doesn’t necessarily make it right.
Fr. David,
Assuming you are correct in the matter, then what is the laity expected to do. Further, for me EMHC is part of my discernment to the diaconate. At the ever pressing age of 47 I do not want to start something that I am not qualified to handle. I also receive mixed messages from various priests on the same matter. I also know from experience that there were many priests in my history that I learned not to trust for various reasons.

Just think if our seminarians became verbal about this. They are not clergy yet. And if they spoke up so profoundly, even politely, they eventually would be hushed. Are they then to stop discerning the priesthood. I certainly hope not. The same goes for those discerning the diaconate. I see far worse abuses in mass that really crawl under my skin, however, after realizing just how falible I am I saw it as being uncharitable and just beg God to forgive me now so that I can concentrate on the mass.

Our pews are positioned far too close. if there were reasonable room people could more easily stay put in the pews. You may be right. However, correcting it is up to you and the rest of the clergy.

BTW: I’m very sorry. I did not really realize you are actually a priest. I hope no one took my comments for more than they are worth. I still believe as the result of listening to an apostolate and several priests regarding blessing your children. But I never said that the blessing is the same or equal to that of a bishop, priest or bishop. I also know that last Sunday we were given a blessing from the bishop through the pastor. This was for our active ministry in the parish. What’s that all about if the bishop can’t confir a blessing through someone he appoints? My 3 year old is begging for koolaid…gotta go.
 
One of the main reasons I’m not thrilled over the blessing of those coming forward is that when you are distributing communion it gets on your fingers. I use the back of my little finger which never touches the Body of Christ.

What gets me more than anything is the lack of reverence people come forward with such a strange indifferent attitude and literally grabbing the Eucharist from my hands with their fingers or their teeth. I’ve also seen people come forwards and gulp the precious blood. The Eastern Church seems to have this under control. But why? What happened to the reverence of the Latin rite? Many Orhtodox blame it on the Latin Church being in error. It causes me to wonder some times. The Orhtodox clergy would not hesitate to correct someone doing wrong from what I hear. I’ve seen a priest actually stop mass before and correct teenagers in the pew. That was about 1976.
 
That’s the crux, isn’t it V? The direction has to come from the Bishops and the priests themselves. We can talk until we’re blue in the face about what should be and not be done, but until those “in charge” start leading and directing in regards to this issue, nothing much will change. There may be a few EMHCs who will stop doing blessings, but overall I don’t’ see a change unless the clergy gets involved.

BTW, we’re in the same boat; I’m considering the diaconate as well, but am not quite as far as serious discernment yet…gotta wait for my kids to grow up. We’re about the same age too…😉
 
That’s the crux, isn’t it V? The direction has to come from the Bishops and the priests themselves. We can talk until we’re blue in the face about what should be and not be done, but until those “in charge” start leading and directing in regards to this issue, nothing much will change. There may be a few EMHCs who will stop doing blessings, but overall I don’t’ see a change unless the clergy gets involved.

BTW, we’re in the same boat; I’m considering the diaconate as well, but am not quite as far as serious discernment yet…gotta wait for my kids to grow up. We’re about the same age too…😉
True. In an ideal world, every cleric and layman would heed the words of Vatican II that no one may add remove or change anything in the Liturgy. Sadly, that’s not what we see happening, and this is a prime example of it. Adding ritual to the Mass only causes confusion–this and similar threads speak volumes to that fact.
 
BTW, we’re in the same boat; I’m considering the diaconate as well, but am not quite as far as serious discernment yet…gotta wait for my kids to grow up. We’re about the same age too…😉
Interestingly, my wife and I will be going to an informational session on the diaconate in a couple weeks. I am significantly older than the two of you but our diocese has just recently changed its age requirement so I would sneak under the wire.

I’m still not the least bit sure that it’s truly my calling but I’m going to do my best to let God make the final decision as best I can discern it.
 
During a post Thanksgiving Dinner conversation my Father-In-Law commented on how my 6 yr old daughter goes up in the communion line and has her arms crossed over her chest. My daughter insists in joining the procession with us, so I taught her to do this so we don’t have any accidental first communions.

My FIL wondered why the extra ordinary minister doesn’t give her a blessing. I responded that they can’t because they are not an ordained minister. My sister-in-law chimed in that, that’s not true because a parent can bless their children. I replied that, Yes, as head of the family church you can provide a blessing to your children, but a non ordained minister cannot provide a Blessing to your children.

The point I attempted to make was that Blessing can only be given by an ordained minister, and therefore an extra ordinary minister is not able to give a Blessing to my 6 yr old daughter in the communion line. My thought is that if they did, this would constitute another blurring of the line of distinction between the laity and the ordained minsters of the Mass.

Please help me out. I’m not trying to win any arguments, or even extend this one. Set me straight if I am wrong.
 
I was told by my priest, that while the “custom” has been widespread that EMHC give blessings they can do this, but their blessings confer no special grace at all (not anything different than you or anyone else can do) but when a priest gives a blessing to someone- it does confer a grace that is just not there with blessings given by others. Their assistance at the Mass does not give them super graced up blessings or anything. I think their job is rather defined and is not magical or anything.
 
During a post Thanksgiving Dinner conversation my Father-In-Law commented on how my 6 yr old daughter goes up in the communion line and has her arms crossed over her chest. My daughter insists in joining the procession with us, so I taught her to do this so we don’t have any accidental first communions.

My FIL wondered why the extra ordinary minister doesn’t give her a blessing. I responded that they can’t because they are not an ordained minister. My sister-in-law chimed in that, that’s not true because a parent can bless their children. I replied that, Yes, as head of the family church you can provide a blessing to your children, but a non ordained minister cannot provide a Blessing to your children.

The point I attempted to make was that Blessing can only be given by an ordained minister, and therefore an extra ordinary minister is not able to give a Blessing to my 6 yr old daughter in the communion line. My thought is that if they did, this would constitute another blurring of the line of distinction between the laity and the ordained minsters of the Mass.

Please help me out. I’m not trying to win any arguments, or even extend this one. Set me straight if I am wrong.
Let’s start here. Going up for a “blessing” is not part of the Mass, and it’s not what’s intended for the Communion line. Therefore this practice should not be done. It is adding a ritual to the Mass which the Church has not put there.

You’re right, the EMHCs cannot give a blessing. Your sister-in-law is sort of right in that a parent can pray for a child, but the parent cannot (and therefore does not) impart a blessing.

Only bishops, priest, and sometimes deacons are able to impart blessings. Never (yes never) can a layperson impart a blessing, not within Mass nor outside of Mass.

The word itself “blessing” is one that has several different meanings, and layers of meaning. When we say that a layperson “blesses” someone, we are not saying “blesses” in the same way that a cleric blesses. What is actually happening there is not a blessing (properly speaking) at all but a prayer being offered “for the person.”

Here’s an example: before meals we say “bless us O Lord, and these Thy gifts…” We sometimes call that “the blessing” Nothing wrong with that if we understand what we’re realy saying. But we do not say that the food is indeed “blessed” since that happens only if a priest/deacon actually blesses it.

We make the sign-of-the-cross (sometimes with holy water) over ourselves. Again, we say that we “bless ourselves” and that’s fine. But while we say that we “bless ourselves” we do not in actual fact “bless ourselves.” We can only actually be blessed by a cleric.

A parent can say a prayer over a child. Some people call this “blessing.” But again, it is not a blessing in the proper sense of the word; rather it is a prayer being offered by the parent for the child. The child is not “blessed,” instead the child has been “prayed for.”

The problem lies in our language, and our use of it. We do not have a word or phrase that properly describes what a cleric does that distinguishes (linguistically and theologically) what a lay person does.

For that reason, I discourage the use of the word “blessing” in reference to laypersons because this is not the same thing, even though it’s the same word, and therefore it causes confusion. Sometimes for clarity, we might say that a cleric “imparts a blessing” or “blesses (properly speaking)” or a “sacerdotal blessing”

The real problem arises when laypersons are offering prayers but call these prayers “blessings.” If they are implying that they are blessing just as a priest blesses, they are being disingenuous because what they do is not at all what a priest does, and even worse when we see situations where people think that the prayer offered by a layperson can somehow be a substitute for the proper blessing of a cleric.

Again, it’s a problem of our language, how we use that language, and the fact that there is a serious misunderstanding that holds that laity can impart blessings.
 
I’m sorry, but when I am not disposed to receive, I stay in the pew and pray. I really don’t care what anyone else thinks about my not receiving. I’m not there for their approval, but for God’s appoval and I know He would not approve of my receiving unworthily. Maybe it’s time to stop worrying about what others think of us and start worrying about how we appear to God? Maybe I sound harsh, but my faith is not determined by my emotions but rather by my will to accept the Truth of the Church and respect for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

I recommend staying put and speaking directly to God about the things that prevent you from receiving.
 
Let’s start here. Going up for a “blessing” is not part of the Mass, and it’s not what’s intended for the Communion line. Therefore this practice should not be done. It is adding a ritual to the Mass which the Church has not put there.
That is bad advice based on what I have read here including Cardinal Arinze’s comments. The Church purposely leaves it up to local bishops to decide. It’s not up to you or anyone else to suggest the practice is or should be universally condemned. That’s simply not true.
 
Hi Monica37,

Maybe I am just confused, but who are you addressing in your post?

Thanks,
Monica:)
I’m sorry, but when I am not disposed to receive, I stay in the pew and pray. I really don’t care what anyone else thinks about my not receiving. I’m not there for their approval, but for God’s appoval and I know He would not approve of my receiving unworthily. Maybe it’s time to stop worrying about what others think of us and start worrying about how we appear to God? Maybe I sound harsh, but my faith is not determined by my emotions but rather by my will to accept the Truth of the Church and respect for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

I recommend staying put and speaking directly to God about the things that prevent you from receiving.
 
Not addressing anyone in particular, just the general subject as to whether we should go up for a blessing or not. I read many explanations that there was a worry either by the person going up or by the priest that it is done so that people won’t feel like they are sticking out by staying in the pews or that someone feels better going up than staying. Thats all, just my 2 cents on the topic. I try never to specify anyone in my posts.
 
That is bad advice based on what I have read here including Cardinal Arinze’s comments. The Church purposely leaves it up to local bishops to decide. It’s not up to you or anyone else to suggest the practice is or should be universally condemned. That’s simply not true.
Actually, it’s up to the Church to say that. The Church has never said that it’s up to the local bishop to decide to add this to the Mass. I’m not “condemning” the practice, I’m simply stating the fact that it is not part of the Mass, and has not been approved by the Church as part of the Mass. It is not up to individual persons or communities to add parts to the Mass on their own initiative, regardless of what their motivation might be. We see far too many examples of people adding things to the Mass and falsely claiming that the Church approves of them. If the Church approves of it, why has the Church never said this?
 
Actually, it’s up to the Church to say that. The Church has never said that it’s up to the local bishop to decide to add this to the Mass. I’m not “condemning” the practice, I’m simply stating the fact that it is not part of the Mass, and has not been approved by the Church as part of the Mass. It is not up to individual persons or communities to add parts to the Mass on their own initiative, regardless of what their motivation might be. We see far too many examples of people adding things to the Mass and falsely claiming that the Church approves of them. If the Church approves of it, why has the Church never said this?
Are you saying that Cardinal Arinze and the Congregation For Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments do not have the authority to allow freedom to the local bishops to decide to allow this practice or not to allow it?
 
Are you saying that Cardinal Arinze and the Congregation For Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments do not have the authority to allow freedom to the local bishops to decide to allow this practice or not to allow it?
When did Cardinal Arinze say that the bishop may add this to the Mass? If he said it, I’m not aware. If he did in fact say it, and it’s not someone misinterpreting his words, or putting words into his mouth, AND if he was speaking in his capacity as a representative of the Holy See and not just by way of casual conversation, I will concede the point. In the meantime, I have never heard anywhere that the Church has approved this practice. It’s not in any of the approved liturgical books, and these are what every Catholic both clergy and laity are bound to follow.

I never said that Card. Arinze doesn’t have the authority, what I’ve been saying all along is that individual persons and communities do not have that authority, in spite of the fact that so many seem to think that they do.
 
Rev. Fr. David:

The problem is that Cardial Arinze HAS said publicly that, while not per se approved, it falls to the bishop. He has not said this ex cathedra, but has said it in more than one discussion, and in one case, as an authoritative response to an informal query.

He has explicitly stated repeatedly that that which is neither demanded nor prohibited by Canon Law, the Instructions from the Pope and the Sacred Congregations, and the approved liturgical texts, and the various answers to dubia, is thus left to the bishop.

Moreover, his answer to the question of not permitting children in the communion line indicates not being in favor of it, but also not wanting to prohibit it where it is becoming custom.
 
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