Is it reasonable to be a global warming skeptic?

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It hard for me to comprehend how we can be so divided on a subject as the preservation of the environment?
  1. We’re not.
  2. Your argument is a strawman
  3. If you don’t “comprehend”, then what you need to do is zip it and listen, not roll around in uncertainty as though it gives you some kind of extra intellect or moral authority.
 
It’s stupid to reject science based on broad consensus
Any consensus on something as complicated as the entire climate of the planet is absurd, arrogant garbage.Most people who speak on this issue have zilch for knowledge on fluid dynamics and thermodynamics.
literally 1,000s of peer reviewed papers.
As someone who writes these papers, let me tell you that the process is corrupt to the core and motivated by scientists and overrated, under-acheiving professors, post-docs and graduate students.
The Holy Father has spoken out about this issue,
Oh, so I take it then you’re also against abortion in all cases and against so-called gay “marriage”? Because we can disagree with the Pope on climate change but not on those issues.

I would think someone who is so concerned with someone following the Church teaching would be on the front lies on those issues, but Huey, I can’t seem to find you…
There’s no room for climate skepticism just like there’s no room to entertain Mormonism.
Try the 1st Amendment. Funny how you target Mormons and not Islam or Black Liberation Theology.
 
Hey Hooey,

Take a stroll through the thread and get a little educated before you call folks stoopid.
 
Any consensus on something as complicated as the entire climate of the planet is absurd, arrogant garbage.
That is not what is being claimed. What is being claimed is a consensus on one simple aspect of the climate. And therefore it is not absurd arrogant garbage, but is quite reasonable.
 
How do you figure this graph shows there is no crisis? Now I’m not arguing that there is a crisis. I just wonder why this article should convince anyone that there is not? Remember, this graph only shows emissions from human activities. Any emissions at all is still adding to the CO2 concentration. What is more relevant is the graph of CO2 concentration as a function of time. That graph is not leveling off. However its slope is not increasing.
Yes, the slope does flatten, coinciding with the negative trend for China.

I appreciated how it showed that the EU, US and Russia all have a solid negative slope. Perhaps India and a few other countries are still rising rapidly.
 
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How do you figure this graph shows there is no crisis? Now I’m not arguing that there is a crisis. I just wonder why this article should convince anyone that there is not? Remember, this graph only shows emissions from human activities. Any emissions at all is still adding to the CO2 concentration. What is more relevant is the graph of CO2 concentration as a function of time. That graph is not leveling off. However its slope is not increasing.
Yes, the slope does flatten, coinciding with the negative trend for China.

I appreciated how it showed that the EU, US and Russia have a solid negative slope.
Yes, we are making progress in slowing down the rise in CO2. But CO2 is still rising. Unless we get the CO2 concentration graph to flatten out, we are still heading toward an even warmer climate. We just aren’t headed there as fast as we were.
 
That is not what is being claimed. What is being claimed is a consensus on one simple aspect of the climate. And therefore it is not absurd arrogant garbage, but is quite reasonable.
That is exactly what is going on and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn’t understand even the most basics of climate science.

They are clearly describing long-term trends, so you can’t even let them off on that technicality.

For there to be a scientific consensus IS complete garbage here no matter how badly you want it not to be.

And I have a good guess as to why that is.
 
That is not what is being claimed. What is being claimed is a consensus on one simple aspect of the climate. And therefore it is not absurd arrogant garbage, but is quite reasonable.
Nope.

What is being claimed to be beyond debate is a long chain of propositions, any one of which, if wrong, makes the conclusion untenable.
 
ROME — As he flew near Caribbean islands devastated by Hurricane Irma on his way back to the Vatican from Colombia on Sunday, Pope Francis said that political leaders and others who denied climate change reminded him of a passage from the psalms about man’s stubbornness.

Man is stupid, the Bible said,” he said. “It’s like that, when you don’t want to see, you don’t see.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/world/europe/pope-climate-daca-trump-colombia.html?smid=tw-share

Not seeing things as they are because you don’t want to see them is stupid.

The Holy Father is calling climate skeptics stupid!
 
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That is not what is being claimed. What is being claimed is a consensus on one simple aspect of the climate. And therefore it is not absurd arrogant garbage, but is quite reasonable.
That is exactly what is going on and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn’t understand even the most basics of climate science.
What is “exactly what is going on?” Are scientists claiming a full understanding of the “entire climate of the planet?” You have not shown that at all. One does not need to understand the entire climate of the planet to make the claim that the climate is generally getting warmer. It is not that complicated.
They are clearly describing long-term trends, so you can’t even let them off on that technicality.
Yes, they are describing long term trends. What fault are they supposedly in need of being “let off” from?
For there to be a scientific consensus IS complete garbage here no matter how badly you want it not to be.
So you say, but you have not justified that statement.
Nope.

What is being claimed to be beyond debate is a long chain of propositions, any one of which, if wrong, makes the conclusion untenable.
Actually the chain of propositions is quite short, and each link in that chain has been separately tested. So it is quite tenable.
Science is SUPPOSED to be debated and discussed; it is never settled.

On top of which, Al Gore has no … zero … none … scientific credentials of any kind.
So ignore Al Gore. Listen to the scientists who do have scientific credentials.
 
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Actually the chain of propositions is quite short, and each link in that chain has been separately tested. So it is quite tenable.
Nope.

If, say, the conclusion is that the world has to drastically cut CO2 emissions by doing X, Y, and Z, the chain of reasoning leading to that conclusion starts out with the following elements:
  1. The earth is warming unusually.
  2. Rising CO2 levels are the main cause of the unusual warming.
  3. Human CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are the main cause of rising CO2 in the atmosphere.
  4. The warming will be catastrophic.
These are the elements of the global warming hypothesis which supposedly has been proven so mightily that it is now beyond debate, making it stoopid (according to Hooey) to be a skeptic. Note that if any one of them isn’t proved by some reasonable standard, then it makes no sense to adopt any of the proposed mitigating measures.

But there is more to it. Even if the GW hypothesis is sufficiently proved, proponents for doing something about it have additional proof requirements.
  1. GW should be given priority over other problems.
  2. Drastically reducing CO2 emissions from fossil fuels will be effective in reducing global warming.
  3. We have reasonably identified the costs of cutting CO2 including the benefits of a warmer climate not realized by pursuing mitigating measures.
  4. Benefits of drastically reducing fossil fuel use outweigh the costs.
So, 'tis not so cut and dried.
 
Just as I suspected. There is no convincing statistic - only some cherry-picked examples of a few who have decided to express their political view by denying the theory.
Actually not. I’ve read the book. None of the scientists featured by Solomon have any apparent political motivation. They just dispute some aspect of the CO2 theory of GW on scientific grounds.
 
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Just as I suspected. There is no convincing statistic - only some cherry-picked examples of a few who have decided to express their political view by denying the theory.
Actually not. I’ve read the book. None of the scientists featured by Solomon have any apparent political motivation. They just dispute some aspect of the CO2 theory of GW on scientific grounds.
OK, then maybe you can tell me what percentage of retired scientists recant global warming theory?
 
Hi LBN,

I have no idea. All I know is that there are some, retired and not retired, who no longer endorse the alarmist view.
 
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