Is it Right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack the American Way of Life?

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Is it Right for the Catholic Church to fund groups that attack the American Way of Life?

My town not only has sanctuary for the invader but also refuses to aid or assist in any form the lawful Federal authorities.

**These invaders use the Catholic Church and other religious organizations as a home base to attack all the principles of the American way of life and to force local communities to adopt laws that make it easier for the invading criminals to overthrow our America. **

This is no joke. This threatens every American citizen and the America YOUR fathers fought for. IT MUST BE STOPPED!

Here is the website of an organization that is run out of the address of a Catholic Church in my town. This is the law that was forced on the people of an American town by Mexicans:

http://www.interfaithleadership.net/accomplishments.html

**Here is the same website bragging about how they forced a neighboring community to stop legislation that would allow the school districts and the town to share information about unlawful housing and registration benefits that illegals are receiving. **

http://www.interfaithleadership.net/issues.html

Notice how the language is such as to make it sound like a noble idea to keep families of immigrants together. I know people that are forced to sell their homes and leave that town because of the gang elements now forcing their way into the schools. But I guess these groups don’t warn people about that. They only want to overrun another American town like they did mine.

You can’t let this happen. If you do, there will be no safe place to live in America. Your children’s future depends on what you do today!
 
I understand your anger and sadness - something really important (your safety, your comfort zone) is being taken away. That’s a hard thing to lose.

It’s certainly ethically and perhaps morally wrong to illegally immigrant. However, Jesus tells us that we must help the strangers in our midst: “I was a stranger, and you welcomed Me.” We are called to see Christ in all people, regardless of immigrant status.

Think of it this way: you’re a Catholic. You would no doubt certainly help out someone who needs money for medical care and an education. Certainly, you would give them money to help them reach their full human potential! That’s what’s going on right now. It’s a hard thing: you didn’t specifically chose which people to help; they might not be the type of “deserving” people that you would have picked (notice the quotes). But you’re helping them nonetheless. To do so cheerfully is a great comfort to Christ in His agony in the Garden.

Is this a perfect situation? Certainly not. But we’re called to love regardless. Your anger is certainly a natural response to the unfairness of it: your ancestors came here legally. But nonetheless, Christ calls us to help and love those around us.

I know I’m not giving you the answer that you wanted to hear, and that’s a loss for you as well. It must feel like a pretty terrible betrayal: you’ve come here to have someone agree with you, to reach out to you in your sadness. I want to do that, and I’m sorry that I’m not doing it in the way that you would like.

Try this: say a Divine Mercy Chaplet, because Jesus’ Mercy works wonderful graces in all of us. Then pick one Hispanic person that you see: someone in Wal-Mart, someone in your town, maybe even one of those gang members. Then do your very best to try and see them the way that Christ, in His Divine Mercy, sees them.

Then stop in at one of the tiendas. Buy some of food. Cook it. Enjoy the fact that America embraces other cultures as you eat your salsa and tortillas! And pick up some Catholic gear while you’re at it. Most of the tiendas carry rosaries, candles, etc.
 
I personally, feel no sympathy for people who wish to divide people based on national boundaries. and that national boundaries are just a tool for exploitation

I also, (and i’ll probably be receiving alot of flak for this one)
have no care whether the american way of life is preserved. I think her society is sick and corrupt in the highest places.

and. speaking as an american. Can honestly say that americans are the most uneducated, ignorant, and culturally chauvinistic society of the western (and eastern) world.

I find the emphasis on extreme nationalism within the public sphere and culture to be a uniquely American phenomena, and that it is something that can prove harmful in the long run

The church’s interest is in humanity as a whole. Not the american disease.

we’ll, thats my two cents :confused:

" You can always count on an American to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else." -Winston Churchill
 
I will chose the Gospel over the “American way of life” every time.

That said, illegal immigration is a problem. We have a great country. People want to come here. Can you blame them?

I feel for you, Bullfighter, but I am against using negative rhetoric (invaders? Come on) or dehumanizing people based on the language they speak or their country of origin.

I am socially conservative and an orthodox Catholic, but I find the lack of acceptance of your neighbors to be a problem.

I think that with immigration coming from Latin America and from Asia now, those of us with an anglo European background are going to be challenged to accept people that are not like us, but have an equal “right” to the American dream.

Yeas, it should be done legally. But, we should always love our brother, even if he makes us scared or uncomfortable.
 
xfaust42x said:
I personally, feel no sympathy for people who wish to divide people based on national boundaries. and that national boundaries are just a tool for exploitation

I also, (and i’ll probably be receiving alot of flak for this one)
have no care whether the american way of life is preserved. I think her society is sick and corrupt in the highest places.

and. speaking as an american. Can honestly say that americans are the most uneducated, ignorant, and culturally chauvinistic society of the western (and eastern) world.

I find the emphasis on extreme nationalism within the public sphere and culture to be a uniquely American phenomena, and that it is something that can prove harmful in the long run

The church’s interest is in humanity as a whole. Not the american disease.

we’ll, thats my two cents :confused:

" You can always count on an American to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else." -Winston Churchill
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And thank God for all the veterans who fought for YOUR right to insult them!

Speaking as someone who was lucky enough to be a loser in the last draft this country ever had and watch all the brave “college boys” smoke dope and get deferments because daddy had pull, then hide behind a bible everytime their country needs defending, I find what you say total hypocrisy.
 
It is easy to talk big now, but what happens when you see a family of four, two parents and two kids, one eight and the other three, looking for shelter, and they ask you for help? What do you do then, huh?
 
PaulinVA said:
I will chose the Gospel over the “American way of life” every time.

That said, illegal immigration is a problem. We have a great country. People want to come here. Can you blame them?

I feel for you, Bullfighter, but I am against using negative rhetoric (invaders? Come on) or dehumanizing people based on the language they speak or their country of origin.

I am socially conservative and an orthodox Catholic, but I find the lack of acceptance of your neighbors to be a problem.

I think that with immigration coming from Latin America and from Asia now, those of us with an anglo European background are going to be challenged to accept people that are not like us, but have an equal “right” to the American dream.

Yeas, it should be done legally. But, we should always love our brother, even if he makes us scared or uncomfortable.
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How’s the weather in “Disneyland”!

My relatives have told me that they would rather be dead than live in my town. I truly believe that if Americans don’t stand up and fight for their country, the world will never recover from their neglect.

I can’t imagine anyone believing that they are exempt from defending their country because they read a few lines in the bible. What if everyone throughout history did that? What kind of world would you have?
 
It’s OK to love your country. But don’t forget the God who put you there.
Are you saying God is only allowed to love America and that he must love the USA more than any other nation?
 
Lujack said:
It is easy to talk big now, but what happens when you see a family of four, two parents and two kids, one eight and the other three, looking for shelter, and they ask you for help? What do you do then, huh?
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If their American, you feed them. If they are not, you show them the border.

I have no sympathy for a people who come from a country that would have been decent if they would have controlled themselves. No one forced them to overpopulate their countries. They did that grining from ear to ear. Now they want the US to pay the bill for their party. NO WAY!
 
grampben said:
It’s OK to love your country. But don’t forget the God who put you there.
Are you saying God is only allowed to love America and that he must love the USA more than any other nation?
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Do you really believe that God is going to let you off the hook from defending your country? I see! Thank you all you millions of veterans for fighting all those wars for ME, but when my country needs ME, I pull out the bible and find excuses.
 
using OP’s logic, Native Americans should rise up and slaughter every American whose descendents came from outside our borders, no matter how long ago, and arm the borders.

There were no immigration laws until early in the last century and those were based firmly in ethnic and religious bigotry of the time, so the laws themselves are flawed. Until Congress gets down to a real reform of immigration law based on legitimate national interests, IMO there is not a lot of incentive to support the current system.
 
OLD TESTAMENT

You must not oppress the stranger; you know
how a stranger feels, for you lived as strangers in
the land of Egypt. (Ex 23:9)
If a stranger lives with you in your land, do not
molest him. You must count him as one of your
own countrymen and love him as yourself — for
you were once strangers yourselves in Egypt. I am
the Lord your God. (Lv 19:32-34)
Set aside part of your goods for almsgiving. Never
turn your face from any poor man and God will
never turn his from you. (Tb 4:7-8)
No more mockery of justice, no more favoring of
the wicked! Let the weak and the orphan have
justice, be fair to the wretched and destitute; rescue
the weak and needy, save them from the
clutches of the wicked! (Ps 82:2-4)
The Lord, who does what is right, is always on the
side of the oppressed. (Ps 103:6)
Speak, yourself, on behalf of the dumb, on behalf
of all the unwanted; speak, yourself, pronounce a
just verdict, uphold the rights of the poor, of the
needy. (Prv 31:8-9)
To the poor man lend an ear, and return his
greeting courteously. Save the oppressed from the
hand of the oppressor, and do not be mean-spirited
in your judgments. (Eccl 4:8-9)
Woe to the legislators of infamous laws, to those
who issue tyrannical decrees, who refuse justice
to the unfortunate and cheat the poor among my
people of their rights, who make widows their
prey, and rob the orphan. (Is 10:1-2)
The spirit of the Lord God has been given to me,
for God has anointed me. He has sent me to bring
good news to the poor, to bind up hearts that are
broken; to proclaim liberty to the captives, freedom
to those in prison; to proclaim a year of
favor from the Lord. (Is 61:1-2)
The Lord says this: Practice honesty and integrity;
rescue the man who has been wronged from the
hands of his oppressor; do not exploit the
stranger, the orphan, the widow; do no violence,
shed no innocent blood in this place. (Jer 22:3-4)
What is good has been explained to you; this is
what the Lord asks of you: only this, to act justly,
to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with your
God. (Mi 6:8)
Apply the law fairly, and practice kindness and
compassion toward each other. Do not oppress
the widow or the orphan, the alien or the poor,
and do not secretly plan evil against one another.
(Zec 7:8-11)

cont.
 
NEW TESTAMENT
For I was hungry and you gave me food; I was
thirsty and you gave me drink; I was a stranger
and you made me welcome; naked and you
clothed me; sick and you visited me; in prison
and you came to see me … I tell you solemnly, in
so far as you did this to one of the least of these
brothers and sisters of mine, you did it to me.
(Mt 25:35-40)
This is the first (commandment) … you must love
the Lord your God with all your heart, with all
your soul, with all your mind and with all your
strength. The second is this: You must love your
neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment
greater than these. (Mk 12:30-31)

The spirit of the Lord has been given to me, for
he has anointed me. He has sent me to bring the
good news to the poor, to proclaim liberty to captives
and to the blind new sight, to set the downtrodden
free, to proclaim the Lord’s year of favor.
(Lk 4:18-19)
… there are no more distinctions between Jew
and Greek, slave and free, male and female, but
all of you are one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28)
In your minds you must be the same as Christ
Jesus: His state was divine, yet he did not cling to
his equality with God but emptied himself to
assume the condition of a slave, and became as
men are; and being as all men are, he was humbler
yet, even to accepting death, death on a
cross. (Phil 2: 5-8)
You are God’s chosen race, his saints; he loves
you, and you should be clothed in sincere compassion,
in kindness and humility, gentleness and
patience. (Col 3:12-13)
Anyone who says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his
brother, is a liar, since a man who does not love
the brother that he can see cannot love God,
whom he has never seen. So this is the commandment
that he has given us, that anyone who loves
God must also love his brother. (1 Jn 4:19-21
32

“I Was a Stranger and You Welcomed Me…”
 
Bullfighter said:
If their American, you feed them. If they are not, you show them the border.

I have no sympathy for a people who come from a country that would have been decent if they would have controlled themselves. No one forced them to overpopulate their countries. They did that grining from ear to ear. Now they want the US to pay the bill for their party. NO WAY!
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Why is Juan RandomMexican responsible for what happened over the past 150 years in Mexico? If you want to use that logic, then both you and I are personally responsible for the transAtlantic slave trade.
 
Bullfighter said:
Do you really believe that God is going to let you off the hook from defending your country? I see! Thank you all you millions of veterans for fighting all those wars for ME, but when my country needs ME, I pull out the bible and find excuses.
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Grampben is Irish, and you just made his point. Americans aren’t the only people in the world.
 
Bullfighter said:
Do you really believe that God is going to let you off the hook from defending your country? I see! Thank you all you millions of veterans for fighting all those wars for ME, but when my country needs ME, I pull out the bible and find excuses.
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Lujack is right, I am Irish. And Ireland has been a neutral country since her foundation as a modern democracy.
Also, the USA is an immigrant nation, at which point do we draw the line to definitively define ‘American culture, or way of life’?
 
Bullfighter said:
How’s the weather in “Disneyland”!

My relatives have told me that they would rather be dead than live in my town. I truly believe that if Americans don’t stand up and fight for their country, the world will never recover from their neglect.

I can’t imagine anyone believing that they are exempt from defending their country because they read a few lines in the bible. What if everyone throughout history did that? What kind of world would you have?
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Bullfighter, I don’t live in Disneyland. I live outside our great nation’s capital. One next door neighbor is Egyptian. On the other side is a gay couple. There are Russians, Asians, people from India, Hispanics, all sorts of people in my neighborhood.

The last large wave of immigration brought my wife’s family (from Italy) and my family (from Ireland). People did not like them, they were discriminated against. Laws were passed to keep them out.

This wave of immigration is coming from Latin America and Asia. It’s just the way it is. These are God’s people just like you and me. They have a right to come here seeking the American Dream. I understand your desire for legal immigration, and I agree with that. We have an immigration problem that should be solved.

Do you ever pray Night Prayer from the Liturgy of the Hours? On Friday nights, one of the prayers is something like, “may my actions today bear fruit in eternal life”. Think about that. When you saw Jesus as an illegal immigrant trying to feed his family, what did you do?
 
grampben said:
Lujack is right, I am Irish. And Ireland has been a neutral country since her foundation as a modern democracy.
Also, the USA is an immigrant nation, at which point do we draw the line to definitively define ‘American culture, or way of life’?
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If I, an American, go anywhere in the world. I will be held accountable for anything that any American ever did. Right or wrong.

If a Mexican enters the US illegally, he is held to a different standard. He can do no wrong. If he steals, it is because he is a poor Mexican. He can be caught with tons of drugs but it is because he was forced to deal drugs just to feed his poor starving family. Never mind the US citizens his drugs have killed.

If you find one honest Mexican, you must assume that they are all honest. Their is no such thing as a bad Mexican.

Find one bad American, and we are all bad. That is the standard.

I have known Mexicans and they tell me they laugh at all the stuff they can pull in the US because we are a nation of “suckers”. How much aid does the Mexican give the poor in his country. Probably none.

I know these people. How many claim to be Catholic and how many went to Church this Sunday. That’s how you can spot the phonies! A mortal sin for me is a mortal sin for them. That’s why my Church is so poor in a neighborhood filled with hispanics and the brand new SUVs that they own.

That is what YOU call justice.
 
PaulinVA said:
Bullfighter, I don’t live in Disneyland. I live outside our great nation’s capital. One next door neighbor is Egyptian. On the other side is a gay couple. There are Russians, Asians, people from India, Hispanics, all sorts of people in my neighborhood.

The last large wave of immigration brought my wife’s family (from Italy) and my family (from Ireland). People did not like them, they were discriminated against. Laws were passed to keep them out.

This wave of immigration is coming from Latin America and Asia. It’s just the way it is. These are God’s people just like you and me. They have a right to come here seeking the American Dream. I understand your desire for legal immigration, and I agree with that. We have an immigration problem that should be solved.

Do you ever pray Night Prayer from the Liturgy of the Hours? On Friday nights, one of the prayers is something like, “may my actions today bear fruit in eternal life”. Think about that. When you saw Jesus as an illegal immigrant trying to feed his family, what did you do?
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NO ONE! NO ONE has the RIGHT to be an American! NO ONE!

You earn it!
 
ElizabethPH said:
NEW TESTAMENT
For I was hungry and you gave me food; I was
thirsty and you gave me drink; I was a stranger
and you made me welcome; naked and you
clothed me; sick and you visited me; in prison
and you came to see me … I tell you solemnly, in
so far as you did this to one of the least of these
brothers and sisters of mine, you did it to me.
(Mt 25:35-40)
This is the first (commandment) … you must love
the Lord your God with all your heart, with all
your soul, with all your mind and with all your
strength. The second is this: You must love your
neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment
greater than these. (Mk 12:30-31)

The spirit of the Lord has been given to me, for
he has anointed me. He has sent me to bring the
good news to the poor, to proclaim liberty to captives
and to the blind new sight, to set the downtrodden
free, to proclaim the Lord’s year of favor.
(Lk 4:18-19)
… there are no more distinctions between Jew
and Greek, slave and free, male and female, but
all of you are one in Christ Jesus. (Gal 3:28)
In your minds you must be the same as Christ
Jesus: His state was divine, yet he did not cling to
his equality with God but emptied himself to
assume the condition of a slave, and became as
men are; and being as all men are, he was humbler
yet, even to accepting death, death on a
cross. (Phil 2: 5-8)
You are God’s chosen race, his saints; he loves
you, and you should be clothed in sincere compassion,
in kindness and humility, gentleness and
patience. (Col 3:12-13)
Anyone who says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his
brother, is a liar, since a man who does not love
the brother that he can see cannot love God,
whom he has never seen. So this is the commandment
that he has given us, that anyone who loves
God must also love his brother. (1 Jn 4:19-21
32

“I Was a Stranger and You Welcomed Me…”
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That’s nice. Have you ever had drunken illegals walk up to you in Church and ask for money? Have you ever seen an illegal attack a senior citizen and fight her for her purse, in front of a Church, while she walked there for Sunday Mass.

Welcome to MY neighborhood!
 
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