Is it safe to say that documentary filmmaker Michael Moore is a socialist?

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I actually thinks it’s a brilliant critique of capital, something that all anti-capitalist work should use as a foundation to understanding the system we live in, as well as understanding how to escape it. The main reason I don’t think he’s read any Marx is that he only praises him with lame moral platitudes surrounding ideas of “justice.” There’s no defence of any of Marx’s actual critique, and the idea that the abolition of capital should be done to uphold ideals of “justice” or “equality” was an approach that Marx himself rejected.
 
Moore reminds me much more of Che Guevara than Karl Marx, though doubtful he ever read Che, he sure hits the bullet points

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Democracy does not work unless the actual person elected gets the majority of votes cast.
In the last presidential election, neither Clinton nor Trump received 50 percent plus one of the actual votes cast. Clinton had about 48 percent of the popular vote and Trump had about 46 percent, while 6 percent voted for someone else. Trump won the so-called electoral college to gain the presidency.
I believe we should change the system. Go to a primary election. If any candidate receives 50 percent plus one of the actual vote casts, that candidate wins. If not, there is a secondary election featuring the top two voter getters in the primary election.
Also, the gerrymandering of states should cease in order to allow the will of the people. Not the will of those who want to maintain their district by slicing up the state in a crazy way that allows for than candidate to stay in office.
 
I’m not sure what his personal wealth is, but it’s enough to buy some excellent waterfront property in Northern Michigan. He certainly enjoys the money he has. And to be fair I’ve seen him fund some nice things in different towns. But his actions don’t seem very communist.

I’m not a fan of Mr. Moore or his movies. I certainly don’t agree with the vast majority of things he says. That said, I have a hard time really getting a firm grasp on his politics other than ‘hard left American progressive’. He definitely has some very socialist tendancies; such as when he called for the government takeover of GM and the use of its manufacturing facilities to make busses and other forms of public transport.


But fully communist? Communism is a very specific thing; I’m not sure he qualifies. But I’d need to know his politics and worldview with more specificity.
 
That is what I call elitism. If you think people aren’t prepared to vote, then you have to educate them, instead of excluding them.
 
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In the last presidential election, neither Clinton nor Trump received 50 percent plus one of the actual votes cast. Clinton had about 48 percent of the popular vote and Trump had about 46 percent, while 6 percent voted for someone else.
What you say is true. However, after the election somebody did the math on who voted for whom, and the bottom line was that if there had been only two candidates (Trump and Clinton), and if those who had voted for conservative 3rd-party candidates had voted anti-Clinton, Trump would have won the popular vote.

Your solution would mean that Los Angeles and New York city would dictate election results. That was not what the Founders intended.

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I think representative government is a failure
But, as Churchill said in a speech to the House of Commons, “Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”
The problem is giving every person capable of drawing breath a vote. We need less people involved. Not more. Leave statecraft to people with ability. Not every moron with a pulse.
The problem is, who decides who is entitled to vote and on what basis they are entitled to vote? There is no method of voter qualification that would be seen to be both consistent and fair. You could, for example, use IQ, academic qualifications, occupation, income, or property ownership. All of these will ultimately be arbitrary, unreliable, inconsistent, and unfair. In Britain when we had a property qualification for voters a particular problem was that most of our armed forces were ineligible to vote. In the end, the only fair and consistent system is one in which every adult citizen can vote.
I think the elite should be the only ones running things. The nobility, so to speak.
Again, the question is how you define the “elite” or “nobility”. Are we talking about people with exceptional intelligence, a high level of education, a distinguished professional career, high income and/or assets, or a hereditary class?

In Britain we still have a remnant of government by the nobility in the form of the House of Lords. However, a few years ago most of the hereditary peers were removed from the House of Lords. This was necessary largely because it no longer seemed defensible for people to be able to inherit membership of the upper house of legislature. A particular problem was the distribution of party membership: most hereditary peers were Conservatives, a small, but still disproportionate, number were Liberal Democrats, and only a handful were Labour. But perhaps the fundamental problem with hereditary peers was that there was no guarantee that they had any aptitude for governing or legislating.

David Lloyd George famously described the House of Lords as “500 men, ordinary men, chosen accidentally from among the unemployed”. Nancy Mitford brilliantly satirised the House of Lords in The Pursuit of Love, showing its members to be politically incompetent and given to falling asleep in the chamber. (Her father, the 2nd Lord Redesdale, was a barely literate bigot. He became a peer because his father, a distinguished diplomat, politician, public servant, and writer, had been ennobled, and his older brother, the heir to the peerage, was killed in action at Loos.)
 
I didn’t know that he had actually made that claim. Certainly I’d consider him an excellent rhetorician.
It was in regards to a scene in Born on the Fourth of July, iirc. I want to say that the protagonist was kicked off of the floor of the Republican convention.

When called on it, he acknowledged that no such event had happened, and called it “artistic license.”

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