Is it sinful at any point?

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im talking about sexual molestation. lets say someone went through it a period of years by someone in their home. is there a point where the victim is old enough to do something about it and if they dont, out of fear, they are committing a sin?
 
im talking about sexual molestation. lets say someone went through it a period of years by someone in their home. is there a point where the victim is old enough to do something about it and if they dont, out of fear, they are committing a sin?
It is a very tragic thing when someone is a victim of sexual abuse. By its very nature, sexual abuse means that the victim does not have the capacity (because of age, emotional or physical vulnerability, etc.) to consent to the offense against him.

Almost universally, victims of sexual abuse feel as if they are partly responsible. This is a particularly difficult wound resulting from the abuse they suffered. Victims of sexual abuse may know intellectually that they are not responsible but may still feel guilty.
 
im talking about sexual molestation. lets say someone went through it a period of years by someone in their home. is there a point where the victim is old enough to do something about it and if they dont, out of fear, they are committing a sin?
I think, and hope consideration is given to the reality. Children are not culpable for what they do not know, are taught wrongly, and cannot control.

(For sensibilities sake: sex abuse = theft)
If I force a 8 year old to rob a bank for me, is the 8 year old guilty of theft? I don’t think so, I would be guilty of it still. If I continued that for a few years to where the now 12 year old is willingly robbing banks for me because they have learned to please me, their “protector” because doing so limits the amount of fear and threat I have had them under- are they guilty of theft? No, I am guilty still, and now even more so because I have made the immoral, moral to them.

If at some point that then child becomes an adult, and realizes through whatever method/circumstance that all that theft was wrong (what is largely instinctive to us all): if they continue to rob banks on their own, though they may now sin equal to a theif who was never forced at an early age I am more culpable than them still, for I robbed and confused their natural sensibility to practice self restraint and other virtues. I took something that could never be given back- innocence and proper growth.

If that now adult, now forces another child to start robbing banks for them: I am now more guilty than ever, but the now adult has stepped more fully in my shoes and shares a greater guilt than might have been.

But if the now adult upholds the law and no longer robs banks and earns a living the proper way, I think they have no guilt.

What I would say however to this specifically:
where the victim is old enough to do something about it and if they dont, out of fear
That is a fear that must be faced by sheding light in the darkness. The fear is the irrational element, not the light of exposure. (Everything in the dark will be exposed, and everything done in secret will be known.) Old enough is relative- can the victim support themself or are they still reliant on the family for support? Doing something about it is relative- can they leave, can they say no and prevent it from happening?

My advice: if the victim can leave, do so immediately, but do not stay silent and risk the chance that someone else is victimized like they were. They can become the real protector they themselves did not have- a worthy honor! If the victim can’t leave, find an honest adult (they are out there) and tell them. Silence only keeps it dark, and the real fear of how that light will be destructive to the family is valid, but consider the destruction of the victim themself. That is not a valid sacrifice. It is misguided to think such a personal sacrifice is for any good.

It takes strength and courage to stand in the light particularly for those stained with undeserved evil. God knows the origin and circumstance of the stain, so tell them to be brave and stand proud. There is also another benefit. The victim may think they are standing alone in a spot light, by brining it to light. This is normal, and can be very scary. The really neat thing about it though is, and it doesn’t take long, once the victim has been in the light for a little bit, they will see how many others are there with them, was always there for them, and that they were not alone in the dark like they always thought. The weight of darkness is also lifted and they might be very surprised at how heavy it really was, and why it was so difficult to throwoff by themselves. God is very strong, and wants to help, but sometimes we need to take the first step toward Him.
 
im talking about sexual molestation. lets say someone went through it a period of years by someone in their home. is there a point where the victim is old enough to do something about it and if they dont, out of fear, they are committing a sin?
I would say a definite and unquestionable “NO” …and don’t let the devil tell you otherwise, or lead you into temptation to re-victimize yourself. You are not responsible for the actions of others who psychologically twisted and oppressed you. You did not choose this sin, and until you have freed yourself from this oppression and bondage, and gain your freedom in Jesus Christ, you are not complicit with the sinful predation of others. The true nature of the devil truly manifests itself in such twisted and distorted demonic oppression. Allow the Word of God, which can be entirely trusted, to minister to you through the power and freedom of the Holy Spirit.

“He [Satan] was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8: 44

“There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” Romans 8: 1

“Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” They answered him, “We are descendants of Abraham, and have never been in bondage to any one. How is it that you say, `You will be made free’?” Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, every one who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not continue in the house for ever; the son continues for ever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8: 31-36
 
i am asking this because as far back as i can remember til i was about 13, i was a victim. luckily, my father kicked me out of his home for my self-destructive rebelion (the only good thing he ever did for me-btw, it wasnt my father). from there i went to a mental facility (habitual runaway, drugs, etc.) and then was moved into my mother’s home, and it never happened again. this was because someone overheard my friend’s and my conversation about what we had BOTH went through, and told my parents. then off to the looney bin with me (by request of my father, after calling him out on the affairs he had against my mother). i never spoke about it. of course, my father doesnt believe it, but my mother does. most of this is irrelevant, but i thought maybe i would give a little background.

i have had my closure with the person who had abused me over the years, but i am left with the guilt and shame. i knew it was wrong when i was a child. but was always too afraid to tell anyone, until i was forced to in the mental facility. either way, i have overcome all the emotions that come with that, but the guilt. my mother says God won’t hold this against me. but i knew it was wrong. my main problem is that i didnt do anything about it when i got older and had the rationality to know exactly what was going on, and had the ability, but not the strength, to tell someone.

im not referring to the period of when i was significantly young, but when i was older.

so what you are saying is that i am not accountable for these acts?

obviously, i am not looking for sympathy, im looking for answers. thank you for the prior replies, and any that may come after this.
 
i am asking this because as far back as i can remember til i was about 13, i was a victim.

but i knew it was wrong. my main problem is that i didnt do anything about it when i got older and had the rationality to know exactly what was going on, and had the ability, but not the strength, to tell someone.

im not referring to the period of when i was significantly young, but when i was older.

so what you are saying is that i am not accountable for these acts?
Exactly.
obviously, i am not looking for sympathy, im looking for answers. thank you for the prior replies, and any that may come after this.
Your persistent and pervasive guilt feeling is simply a residual secondary emotion that is unfounded in the reality that you were the one being abused. You did nothing to invite such abuse. It was wrong. You are exonerated of any responsibility for the abuse perpetrated upon you, regardless of your age and physical ability to resist, because of the psychological oppression of the abuse. It was not consensual in any aspect. You need to drum this into your consciousness each time you get those guilt feelings. A good therapist with expertise in this area may be helpful to heal this guilt.
 
either way, i have overcome all the emotions that come with that, but the guilt. my mother says God won’t hold this against me. but i knew it was wrong. my main problem is that i didnt do anything about it when i got older and had the rationality to know exactly what was going on, and had the ability, but not the strength, to tell someone.

im not referring to the period of when i was significantly young, but when i was older.

so what you are saying is that i am not accountable for these acts?

obviously, i am not looking for sympathy, im looking for answers. thank you for the prior replies, and any that may come after this.
I’d say your guilt is misplaced, but normal. Has the abuser repented, shown remorse, not abusing others…? That might be playing into what you are feeling about yourself.

Are you responsible for the acts commited against you? Of course not. Admittedly, not being responsible for them doesn’t make it all go away in a snap.

What could you have done about it, or would it have changed anything from that point in which you did admit it aloud? Did your not telling until you did allow others to be abused and thus make you guilty? I don’t think so. It is not for us to exact a judgement, but God’s. Even if it that is so that others were abused, I do not think you are guilty of anything other than being afraid. You are in good company. Peter was afraid and refused to speak at a critical time.
 
I have worked with alot of girls that were molested over many years. Some of them even confided that after a while they liked having relations with their abuser, then later suffered major guilt because of it. Even in that instance, the victim is not responsible in the least nor should they feel guilty. It is part of accepting something that you can’t change or a coping mechanism. You are not responsible for being abused! Don’t ever let anyone make you feel guilty because you were a victim!!! I even had one girl that became a prostitute because she figured dad provided her on the job training and at least she should profit from her abuse. Try convincing a 15 yo that makes 4X your salary that crime doesn’t pay!!! The truth is, this girls spirit and self worth was so damaged that she felt this was an option… how sad how abuse affects the victim for life. Just seek to heal from your ordeal… and forgiving your abuser is a really good way to take control back in your life. My prayers are with you hon…
 
No way. My fiance went through this, and when she was old enough to get out, she did. Now the pervert who does this better repent hard just to even make purgatory. They better do it quick before I get my hands on them.
 
after a while they liked having relations with their abuser, then later suffered major guilt because of it. Even in that instance, the victim is not responsible in the least nor should they feel guilty. It is part of accepting something that you can’t change or a coping mechanism.
If you’re not convinced after this from BlestOne, why not go to
confession? Then if we were all wrong and you had some kind of
responsibility, you would be absolved. Praise God you are free
at last!:hug1:
 
I also recommend going to a good general confession preceded by a spiritual counseling with a qualified priest, if you haven’t done so yet.

We need to remind ourselves that our humanity has many dimensions aside from physical, emotional and mental. We also have souls that need rehabilitation in order to be whole again. Neglect one and life cannot be “whole”. This is where the power of sacramental confession is very strong. Even psychotherapists recognize this.
 
If you’re not convinced after this from BlestOne, why not go to
confession? Then if we were all wrong and you had some kind of
responsibility, you would be absolved. Praise God you are free
at last!:hug1:
I also recommend going to a good general confession preceded by a spiritual counseling with a qualified priest, if you haven’t done so yet.
thank you.

i cannot go to confession… i havent even started with my RCIA yet-i will in september, FINALLY! otherwise, im not too sure they will even listen to me… will they?
 
Just seek to heal from your ordeal… and forgiving your abuser is a really good way to take control back in your life. My prayers are with you hon…
i have… the problem is, this is a family member i have,recently after a good few years, started having anything to do with again, and have told him that i have forgiven him. and i think i have for the most part, time heals most wounds. first step is saying it, then you work from there. i still feel resentment, but its fading. im just left with the aftermath of it all. mainly just the guilt.

kinda off subject in a way, but it ties in… i wasnt taken to church as a child, nor was i affiliated with religion, other than Jesus was my savior, and there was a God… etc… most of my views and what i thought was right pertaining to religion, turned out to be very blurred and distorted, apparently. i have spoken with my mother about some of my issues, she’s helping me to get a better grasp on everything, because i had a very watered down view on the whole, growning up. i have been reading, i have been asking questions, this forum has helped me out sooo much.
what im getting at is, this is just another thing that i have on my mind that bothers me, i thought God would see it as my fault because i knew it was wrong, and i could have done something but was too afraid to. but thank you all so much for your responses, it has pointede me in the right direction and given me very needed insight. bless you all!
 
thank you.

i cannot go to confession… i havent even started with my RCIA yet-i will in september, FINALLY! otherwise, im not too sure they will even listen to me… will they?
Go to a priest anyway; he’ll listen. Talk to some of your Catholic friends to find a good confessor, then schedule an appointment with him. The fact that you haven’t begun RCIA yet is no reason for him to refuse to discuss the issue with you. You should also consider counseling; priests are generalists, and their specialty lies in the moral arena, while there are counselors who specialize in helping molestation victims. The reason I bring this up is the fact that you still feel guilty about what he did to you.

Being molested was NOT your fault. Neither was continuing to be molested. ALL of the blame lies with your molester; none of it lies with you. God does not punish us for being victims of anything (for that matter, neither does society).

I would like to ask, though: does he still have access to other children? It sounds from your comments like he isn’t in jail, and I would tend to worry about any other kids to whom he might have access. If he might still be molesting someone, you may have a duty to “out” him to the authorities. A licensed counselor could help you with this, too.
 
Go to a priest anyway; he’ll listen. Talk to some of your Catholic friends to find a good confessor, then schedule an appointment with him. The fact that you haven’t begun RCIA yet is no reason for him to refuse to discuss the issue with you. You should also consider counseling; priests are generalists, and their specialty lies in the moral arena, while there are counselors who specialize in helping molestation victims. The reason I bring this up is the fact that you still feel guilty about what he did to you.

Being molested was NOT your fault. Neither was continuing to be molested. ALL of the blame lies with your molester; none of it lies with you. God does not punish us for being victims of anything (for that matter, neither does society).
thank you. this does help. i did see a therapist for a good few years, really only to get the information out of me, my parents trying to get it out in the open and help me. but we all know, you cant help someone who doesnt want help. i was still a teenager at this time. im looking into getting set up with another to deal with this, among other things… insurance doesnt include mental health so im tryign to go through the state.:mad: either way, i have been wanting to go to a priest about this and other issues, but didnt know if i was allowed to or not. thank you for clearing that up, i will make it a priority.
I would like to ask, though: does he still have access to other children? It sounds from your comments like he isn’t in jail, and I would tend to worry about any other kids to whom he might have access. If he might still be molesting someone, you may have a duty to “out” him to the authorities. A licensed counselor could help you with this, too.
no, he isnt in jail. even in my most hateful phase of my life i couldnt bring myself to see to that he was locked up. to this day, i dont imagine i ever could. he has a child of his own now. it’s a boy, i dont know if it matters or not when it comes to gender, for this kind of mentality. i always said if he were to ever have kids i would do something about it. well low and behold, the child is over 2 years old now and i havent even opened my mouth. i dont know if i should do something or not. at times i want to, but i dont know what i could do to make a difference, without tearing my family/families apart over it. then again, that doesnt really matter, does it? all that matters is that this child is getting the life and treatment every child deserves. it does bother me that maybe he would go on to abuse other children. 9 years have passed. i know i should have done something to press the charges. what can i do without making a huge scene about it? i talked to him a while ago, while in an (i hate to say it) intoxicated state, i was nice about it though. i was a lot more compassionate than i would have been stone cold sober. he said he would just kill anyone who harmed his son, etc. i still question it. his son doesnt act like normal kids his age. this is my nephew. i dont know what i can do. am i aloud to make an anonymous call to CPS to investigate or something?
 
thank you. this does help. i did see a therapist for a good few years, really only to get the information out of me, my parents trying to get it out in the open and help me. but we all know, you cant help someone who doesnt want help. i was still a teenager at this time. im looking into getting set up with another to deal with this, among other things… insurance doesnt include mental health so im tryign to go through the state.:mad: either way, i have been wanting to go to a priest about this and other issues, but didnt know if i was allowed to or not. thank you for clearing that up, i will make it a priority.

no, he isnt in jail. even in my most hateful phase of my life i couldnt bring myself to see to that he was locked up. to this day, i dont imagine i ever could. he has a child of his own now. it’s a boy, i dont know if it matters or not when it comes to gender, for this kind of mentality. i always said if he were to ever have kids i would do something about it. well low and behold, the child is over 2 years old now and i havent even opened my mouth. i dont know if i should do something or not. at times i want to, but i dont know what i could do to make a difference, without tearing my family/families apart over it. then again, that doesnt really matter, does it? all that matters is that this child is getting the life and treatment every child deserves. it does bother me that maybe he would go on to abuse other children. 9 years have passed. i know i should have done something to press the charges. what can i do without making a huge scene about it? i talked to him a while ago, while in an (i hate to say it) intoxicated state, i was nice about it though. i was a lot more compassionate than i would have been stone cold sober. he said he would just kill anyone who harmed his son, etc. i still question it. his son doesnt act like normal kids his age. this is my nephew. i dont know what i can do. am i aloud to make an anonymous call to CPS to investigate or something?
Yes, you can; more importantly, a counselor will know exactly what to do and how to report the whole thing; that’s part of their training.

If you want to know about prosecuting him, just walk into a prosecutor’s office. I don’t know what the criminal statute of limitations is in Ohio for child molestation, but it might still be possible to bring charges against him.

Believe me, a statement like “I was molested by this man, and I’m concerned because he has a child now” gets the attention of child protective services. And you will be given referrals to people who can help you work out your feelings of anger, loss, insecurity, self-loathing, etc. (off-topic, but it bears repeating: it wasn’t your fault – not in society’s eyes, not in the Church’s eyes, and not in God’s eyes).

You have taken the first steps toward forgiving this man, and that’s good (for you, in particular). But Christian forgiveness does NOT require you to let him molest someone else, and Christian forgiveness does NOT mean you can’t participate in his criminal prosecution. Prevention of future molestation is absolutely moral. There is nothing wrong with your going to the authorities about him.

And if it tears a family apart, that’s his fault. Not yours.
 
i knew it was wrong when i was a child. but was always too afraid to tell anyone, until i was forced to in the mental facility. either way, i have overcome all the emotions that come with that, but the guilt. my mother says God won’t hold this against me. but i knew it was wrong. my main problem is that i didnt do anything about it when i got older and had the rationality to know exactly what was going on, and had the ability, but not the strength, to tell someone.

im not referring to the period of when i was significantly young, but when i was older.

so what you are saying is that i am not accountable for these acts?

obviously, i am not looking for sympathy, im looking for answers. thank you for the prior replies, and any that may come after this.
Abuse violates not only the body, but warps the mind and spirit. You were not responsible and may not have in fact been capable of ending the abuse sooner–even if you had the instinct that something was very wrong. The strongest instinct any of us possess is survival–and even self-sacrifice is a testament to the power of the will to live when we protect our children. In your case I would bet you were doing all you could to survive. You did it. You survived. You’re free. You can now chose to be an honorable adult–unlike the adults around you when you were a child.

Your only obligation with respect to avoiding abuse is to never inflict it or allow it to be perpetrated upon another innocent child. To that end I do believe you do have an obligation to report the man who abused you. It is unthinkable that he has children of his own now–not to mention access to other children who are his son’s friends. PLEASE consider that what you endured could happen to another child without your intervention.
 
There is usually some psychological abuse going on with it. Sometimes threats or even brain washing, or lies. They all go together. It is a control thing. They might even tell the child that they will get in trouble if anyone finds out, or that the child’s parents hate them. It is definitely a dispicable thing on so many different levels.
 
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