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MartinJordan
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Thoughts?
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Is it strange or not that only St. Peter reminds "Be Holy As I am Holy"?
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fhansen
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Well, Jesus also tells us in Matt 5:48 to ‘be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.’
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MartinJordan
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Yes. Therefore it is God himself who says it. In Leviticus there are several mentions by God also Leviticus 19:2 "****Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: 'Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy and Leviticus 20:26 “You are to be holy to me because I, the LORD, am holy, and I have set you apart from the nations to be my own.”
Now as you rightfully point out, in the NT Jesus (who is God) reiterates similarly.
However do you not find it interesting or revelatory that is Peter reminds the people? 1 Peter 1: 16 .
Why didn’t anyone else point it out, like Paul for instance during his journey’s and preaching? Wouldn’t this mean, St. Peter infact is THE Head of the Apostles despite the amazing convictions of Paul.
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fhansen
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I couldn’t say. Paul may have said it, for all we know. What’s the point, then?
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MartinJordan
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Im specfically focusing on what is IN Scripture. So why not Paul? Scripture doesn’t have any other Apostle saying it. That’s the point.
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fhansen
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I mean, what’s the significance in your opinion-Peter’s primacy, perhaps?
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MartinJordan
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Right.
Peter is inspired to remind that God said this. Similarly it was Peter who decided to replace Judas Iscariot, “For,” said Peter, "it is written in the Book of Psalms: "‘May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,’ and, "‘May another take his place of leadership.’
So Peter leadership calling tells him to make this call. Thus 1 Peter 1:16 is also a leadership call ergo** A reminder** as God’s mouthpiece (so to speak).
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fhansen
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Sounds good to me!Right.
Peter is inspired to remind that God said this. Similarly it was Peter who decided to replace Judas Iscariot, “For,” said Peter, "it is written in the Book of Psalms: "‘May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,’ and, "‘May another take his place of leadership.’
So Peter leadership calling tells him to make this call. Thus 1 Peter 1:16 is also a leadership call ergo** A reminder** as God’s mouthpiece (so to speak).
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MartinJordan
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Thank you sir!Sounds good to me!
Because I didn’t notice it before, Ive been going all ga ga over it.
Try putting on google search “Be Holy as I am Holy” Presto! It’s Peter first! Not Leviticus
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twf
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St. Peter also says that we have become “partakers of the divine nature”. All baptized believers are holy and are called to be holy in and through Christ. I certainly agree that St. Peter held primacy, but there’s no reason why any other priest or bishop couldn’t say the same thing. I don’t think St. Paul’s words in 1 Cor. 11:1 are radically different:
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.
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MartinJordan
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This one is excellent. But isn’t this quite a statement? Not radical? What verse from anyone else of Jewish (doubters of Jesus being the Messiah) thought can accept? Or a Muslim even? Just thinking.
Can you elaborate on this? Because we still have to work out Salvation right?
This makes sense. We have to work at it and reminded. Christ increase and we decrease.
But isn’t that an extremely bold statement? Imitating Christ but one can then fail to do it at times?
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TimothyH
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For the human person, holiness means a decrease in sin and an increase in virtue. Holiness is every person’s primary vocation.
*Say to all the congregation of the people of Israel, "You shall be holy; for I the LORD your God am holy." (Leviticus 19:2)
to grant us that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
might serve him without fear,
in holiness and righteousness before him all the days of our life.
(Luke 1:74:75)
But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (Revelation 21:27)
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The universal call to holiness is ubiquitous in the Bible.
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*Say to all the congregation of the people of Israel, "You shall be holy; for I the LORD your God am holy." (Leviticus 19:2)
to grant us that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
might serve him without fear,
in holiness and righteousness before him all the days of our life.
(Luke 1:74:75)
But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (Revelation 21:27)
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The universal call to holiness is ubiquitous in the Bible.
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thistle
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When you read both verses I would say that Peter is not talking about himself but telling us what Jesus said.
1 Peter 1:
15 But according to the holy one, who hath called you: be ye also holy in all conversation:
16 For it is written: *You shall be holy, because I am holy.
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fhansen
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Yes, this in no way is Peter declaring his own holiness, if that’s what MJ meant.
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twf
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It is indeed a very bold statement. St. Paul may not have held primacy in the way that St. Peter did, but he is still honored, with and after St. Peter, as a “prince of the Apostles”. We are called to imitate our leaders in as much as they are imitating Christ. St. Paul says elsewhere that in baptism we “put on Christ” (Gal. 3:27) and St. John the Evangelist tells us that to those who believe Christ gives the “power to become the sons of God” (John 1:12). It is truly a marvel that we weak, sinful human beings, in and through Christ, who took our human nature, has given us a share in His own divine nature.
Yes, holiness is a process…we must work out our salvation…but we are “infused” with a degree of holiness, the very life of the Trinity (which we call Sanctifying Grace) at the moment of our baptism.
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Estevao
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St. Peter’s letter just pulsates with the preaching of our lord and the nascent structures and instructions of Christendom from the first pope: “Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.” 1 Peter 2:17
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MartinJordan
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No issue here sir. I’m not implying otherwise.
What Im pointing out is the link if you may between Leviticus priesthood and Peter’s role as head of the Apostles in the ministerial Priesthood. Representing The Rock that is Christ on Earth.
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thistle
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My apologies. I thought you meant Peter was saying that about himself. I misunderstood you.No issue here sir. I’m not implying otherwise.
What Im pointing out is the link if you may between Leviticus priesthood and Peter’s role as head of the Apostles in the ministerial Priesthood. Representing The Rock that is Christ on Earth.
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MartinJordan
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MartinJordan
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Wonderful. That’s a really great way of adding to the point how integral Peter is to preaching the True God as his Representative on earth.
MJ
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