Is it Time for Vatican III?

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Hmmmm. It depends on what you mean when you say “address modern problems”. Of course the Church is the body of Christ, and whenever Jesus lets papa know that it’s time again, it will happen. Not a moment before or after. I’ve learned that part of being Catholic is to learn patience. 😉

When I’ve thought of another council, I have thought of a council to restore the spirit of orthodoxy, chiefly and foremost. To establish a liturgy that nearly demands awe and respect. That will make us cry most of the time. The other portion would be to discuss sin among the clergy. We are a deeply wounded Church right now. Every confirmed incidence of abuse is another scar and wound on the body of Christ. We know that our priests, bishops and even our bishop of Rome are not perfect. We are all sinners. We need to pray for the Pope and his bishops, but also our parish priest constantly. But God, even under the new covenant promoted justice. Justice and forgiveness are interwoven. We can still love and forgive our priests, but they must also be subject to the full weight of the law, as any other citizen.

This in itself cuts both ways. If an allegation is made which is found to be false, that this must be equally publicized to those which are true. There is positive justice. Not just negative. The Church has allowed itself to become a punching bag. Even though some of it is true and deserved, we don’t seem to fight back enough when we’re right, nor supplicate enough when we are wrong. I’m not suggesting that we are EVER wrong on faith and morals.

We are, and will remain to be the Church founded on St. Peter by Jesus, the Christ. God. We have been around for 2000 years. Through the criminal popes. Through the inquisitions, through the crusades, through the reformation, through protestantism, and now, we find ourselves at yet another crossroads where we are battling a world in which the larger portion of people in power are the offspring of moral relativists, atheists, agnostics, and pagans. A world where a heretical misunderstanding and misuse of Christianity (Islam), is drawing more adherents than real Christianity. Why? There is a new generation yearning for orthodoxy, and they’re not finding in Christ’s Church anymore.

We should not stand for mealy mouthed political correctness, nor cower in the corner as simple politicians, atheists and pharisees, (oh, they’re still here brothers and sisters) have their way with us in the public eye. We should be speaking the truth 24/7/365, and if we do that, we may find our pews bursting at the seams. Because, simply put, we are the ones with the truth to tell. The truth is a man. The Word of God incarnate. Jesus Christ.

So, yes…I’m all for a counsel, if it is the will of God, and it isn’t used as another excuse to give into more socially rediculous, morally relativistic and repugnant ideas. We must remain the Church of Jesus Christ, of St. Peter and St. Paul. The Holy Father will know when it’s time to hold council. We were left with the paraclete. We are guided by the Holy Spirit, and will be until time is fulfilled, so I know we survive, and we’ll be here at the end, in full tact, and ready for the wedding.

God bless us all,

Peace,

Happy Easter!!!

He is Risen!!!

Steven
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
Should the Catholic Church have another Vatican Council to address modern problems?
abcnews.go.com/print?id=10268914

I think it’s a good idea. What do you think?
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First of all, it’s not up to US to decide.

Second of all, it’s not up to US to decide.

And if you need a third, EVERY problem, ancient and modern, is already addressed in the Bible. There is nothing all that modern about modernism.
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
Should the Catholic Church have another Vatican Council to address modern problems?
abcnews.go.com/print?id=10268914

I think it’s a good idea. What do you think?
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What modern problems are those? I suspect that what the secular world views the Churchs “moderrn problems” is thier refusal to accept abortion , contraception, the normalacy pf homosexuality and women Priests.

The article also dredges up the canard that the sexual abuse problem is somehow related to celibacy-completely ignoring the fact that abuse is as high or higher in denominations that allow their clergy to marry.
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
First of all, it’s not up to US to decide.

Second of all, it’s not up to US to decide.

And if you need a third, EVERY problem, ancient and modern, is already addressed in the Bible. There is nothing all that modern about modernism.
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Define “modernism” or “modernity” and “modern”, I believe Western modernism started in the Reformation and was solidify with the Peace of Westphalia that reduced the Catholic Church’s authority in the political realm.
 
Via Dolorosa;6484465]Should the Catholic Church have another Vatican Council to address modern problems?
abcnews.go.com/print?id=10268914

I think it’s a good idea. What do you think
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Pure nonsense–with all due respect to the priest who wrote this. The Church gathers in Council to refine its understanding of the “deposit of faith”—not to administrative problems.
The abuse scandal is an adminstrative problem–not a problem involving doctrine. And this idea that celibacy caused this abuse problem is nonsense.

The silly yap of the media is just that—yap.
 
Worthy5 said:
Pure nonsense–with all due respect to the priest who wrote this. The Church gathers in Council to refine its understanding of the “deposit of faith”—not to administrative problems.
The abuse scandal is an adminstrative problem–not a problem involving doctrine. And this idea that celibacy caused this abuse problem is nonsense.

The silly yap of the media is just that—yap.
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Agreed-what this Priest is suggesting is morality based on consensus. That worked out real well for the Episcopal Church, didnt it!?
 
It would be a huge help for the current issues, and it may be overdue anyway.
 
markomalley said:
An ecumenical council based on the desires of a secular news media outlet as expressed by their pet dissident priest?

I don’t think so.
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Vatican III? That’s for the Holy Sprit through the Holy See to determine. I respect Father Beck’s issues on the subject. At the same time, is he OBEDIENT to his BISHOP? And is his BISHOP OBEDIENT to the Holy SEE?
 
johns58w said:
Vatican III? That’s for the Holy Sprit through the Holy See to determine. I respect Father Beck’s issues on the subject. At the same time, is he OBEDIENT to his BISHOP? And is his BISHOP OBEDIENT to the Holy SEE?
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The Holy See says the Bishops don’t work for him. Who, then, do they report to?
 
Worthy5 said:
Pure nonsense–with all due respect to the priest who wrote this. The Church gathers in Council to refine its understanding of the “deposit of faith”—not to administrative problems.
The abuse scandal is an adminstrative problem–not a problem involving doctrine. And this idea that celibacy caused this abuse problem is nonsense.

The silly yap of the media is just that—yap.
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estesbob said:
Agreed-what this Priest is suggesting is morality based on consensus. That worked out real well for the Episcopal Church, didnt it!?
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Agreed and agreed.

If and when the need arises for another council, for pity’s sake I hope they call it something other than Vatican III.
 
estesbob said:
And What issues are those?
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One issue would be the expanded role of thel laity in the heriachy of the church. We are the church. There are CAtholic lay people highly educated in Catholism. Priest and bishops are a part of the whole. Why not come together with all the parts of the Church. I know if I broght up female priest many might get apoplectic. Why not female deacons?
Where in the bible does it discuss the internet and the world wide web. Let’s discuss where science is going and the ramifications of scientific thought to Catholics. Also, there is the expanding scandal of sexual abuse. It needs to be addressed and a world wide plan put in effect to prevent it from ever happening again. No, this problem is not new, but it’s old enough to have been dealt with done with for once and for all. Also, a long look should be taken as to the profound effect this has had on the individuals who where abused and the church body as a whole. This has shattered the trust of innocents.
 
Via_Dolorosa said:
One issue would be the expanded role of thel laity in the heriachy of the church. We are the church. There are CAtholic lay people highly educated in Catholism. Priest and bishops are a part of the whole. Why not come together with all the parts of the Church. I know if I broght up female priest many might get apoplectic. Why not female deacons?
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The laity is involved. As far as Female Deacons-not possible-but even if it were why is that an issue? Do you want that as some kind of desire to see “diversity” or “affirmative action” in the Church? Why should the Church abandon 2,000 years of teachings and traditions to cater to whims of our culture?
Where in the bible does it discuss the internet and the world wide web. Let’s discuss where science is going and the ramifications of scientific thought to Catholics. Also, there is the expanding scandal of sexual abuse. It needs to be addressed and a world wide plan put in effect to prevent it from ever happening again. No, this problem is not new, but it’s old enough to have been dealt with done with for once and for all. Also, a long look should be taken as to the profound effect this has had on the individuals who where abused and the church body as a whole. This has shattered the trust of innocents.
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One does not need a council to delare that sexual ause by clergy is wrong. The Cjurch has made great strides in this area-note that nearly EVERY occurence that has been dredged up was over 30 years ago. The ironic part is that the firmest and most effective action taken by the Church-the removal of homosexual influence and thosa with deep seated homosexual tendecies from our Seminaries- has been widely condemned by those who complain about the Church the most

Since there is no conflict between the Church and science I fal to see why a Council would be needed to adress it.
 
estesbob said:
The laity is involved. As far as Female Deacons-not possible-but even if it were why is that an issue? Do you want that as some kind of desire to see “diversity” or “affirmative action” in the Church? Why should the Church abandon 2,000 years of teachings and traditions to cater to whims of our culture?

Why are female deacons not possible? Is it affirmative action for a female to want to have a larger role in the church. Affirmative action might be a man signing up to be a Church Marha. How many men in your parish do this?
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Via_Dolorosa said:
estesbob;6485415:
The laity is involved. As far as Female Deacons-not possible-but even if it were why is that an issue? Do you want that as some kind of desire to see “diversity” or “affirmative action” in the Church? Why should the Church abandon 2,000 years of teachings and traditions to cater to whims of our culture?

Why are female deacons not possible? Is it affirmative action for a female to want to have a larger role in the church. Affirmative action might be a man signing up to be a Church Marha. How many men in your parish do this?
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Ordination is reserved for men. Why should the Church EVER cede to the Cultural mores of a particual society at a particular point in time?
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Via_Dolorosa said:
One issue would be the expanded role of thel laity in the heriachy of the church. We are the church. There are CAtholic lay people highly educated in Catholism. Priest and bishops are a part of the whole. Why not come together with all the parts of the Church. I know if I broght up female priest many might get apoplectic. Why not female deacons?
Where in the bible does it discuss the internet and the world wide web. Let’s discuss where science is going and the ramifications of scientific thought to Catholics. Also, there is the expanding scandal of sexual abuse. It needs to be addressed and a world wide plan put in effect to prevent it from ever happening again. No, this problem is not new, but it’s old enough to have been dealt with done with for once and for all. Also, a long look should be taken as to the profound effect this has had on the individuals who where abused and the church body as a whole. This has shattered the trust of innocents.
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Have you read the Vatican II documents? They called for a greater role for the laity.

The rest of the comments reflect standard modernist thinking.

God bless,
Ed
Choose Jesus.
 
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