Is it time to give people the option of having electrodes implanted into the pleasure centers of their brains?

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Since more people are being tempted away from true love and into instant gratification, maybe we should just give people the option to have electrodes implanted into the pleasure centers of their brains like the famous lab rat experiment. For those not familiar, electrodes were implanted into the pleasure centers of the brains of rats. A “pleasure button” was placed in the rat’s cage, where, when the rat pressed the button, the electrode would stimulate extreme pleasure for the rat to feel. They had it rigged where, if the rat wanted pleasure too often, a negative stimulus was given once the prescribed “greedy” threshold was crossed. We could just skip the greedy threshold for humans since many would just bypass the threshold by finding other ways to have a few moments of casual ecstasy anyway. They could have the electrodes implanted in their brains and we could place the pleasure button on their belts. Then, they could walk around and push the pleasure button as often as they liked. It would save the public the medical costs of STD treatment and abortions and innocence would be preserved because public lewdness would no longer be necessary, thanks to this ultimate device for those who will seek instant gratification no matter how hard others try to save them.
Thoughts?
 
People would get used to it and it would no longer be enough.
 
ManOnFire said:
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What in the world was that about? Just because people don’t always live up to the ideal you have in your precious little head you think the only alternative is to go off the deep end and become the equivalent of a drug addict?
 
“Is it time”? I thought that’s why they created the internet - for instant gratification.

Peace,
Ed
 
AntiTheist said:
What in the world was that about? Just because people don’t always live up to the ideal you have in your precious little head?
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What makes you think that being insulting will strengthen your argument?

The OP was making a philosophical inquiry. If you don’t like the direction of that inquiry, you don’t need to follow the thread. No sarcastic humor is needed.

If your goal on a BBS such as this is to convince others of your superior rationality, statements such as yours above only work against that goal.

ICXC NIKA
 
Sign me up. It would be the heqq out of depression and despair or loneliness, or the pain and discomfort of living with a deformity or terminal illness. My only concern is that the cost would doubtless be so outrageous that it would be beyond the reach of most people.
 
Sonny1954 said:
Sign me up. It would be the heqq out of depression and despair or loneliness, or the pain and discomfort of living with a deformity or terminal illness. My only concern is that the cost would doubtless be so outrageous that it would be beyond the reach of most people.
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It might be initially. But as the technology progressed, as with laser eye surgery and such, the cost would go down.

I imagine that since they know where the center lies in our heads, a screwed-in terminal would be devised that inserted through the suture in the top of of the skull, analogous to the breathing tube that inserts by needle into one’s neck. No invasive brain surgery would be needed.

The real question is, one day you will face death anyway. How will you prepare for Heaven with your mind in a permanent electronic cloud?

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
Is this all we can talk about? I think some need to go join an organization to help assist other’s in the basic needs of life many are lacking right now due to the economy and illness, and persecution,etc.,I mean REALLY guys…get real.:confused:
 
GEddie said:
What makes you think that being insulting will strengthen your argument?
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In the first place, if you think my comment was “insulting,” you need to get out more. What I said was – at the very most – a mild rebuke of the OP’s patently ridiculous premise. See below.
The OP was making a philosophical inquiry.
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No, he wasn’t. He was proposing a ridiculous scenario on the basis of a faulty premise – that premise is “Everyone who doesn’t live up to my ideal of human sexuality (‘true love’) is essentially no better than a drug addict who just wants pleasure and nothing more.”

That premise should not go unchallenged. My comment was intended to point out that placing so much values on one’s feelings – one’s sorrow that the world doesn’t live up to your own unrealistic, idealist expectations – leads one to make logical errors.

It is a false dichotomy to assert that a person must either subscribe to your own ideals of “true love” or be nothing more than a pleasure-seeking drug-addict equivalent. It’s sloppy thinking derived from far too much value placed on one’s emotional attachments to a fantasy.
If you don’t like the direction of that inquiry, you don’t need to follow the thread.
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The logical extention of this is that if you don’t like my posts, you don’t have to read them.
If your goal on a BBS such as this is to convince others of your superior rationality, statements such as yours above only work against that goal.
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No. My goal here is to point out logical errors like the one in the OP. Let those who have eyes see.
 
I think, at least for some people I know, I would place the electrodes in another body part. :eek:
 
AntiTheist said:
No, he wasn’t. He was proposing a ridiculous scenario on the basis of a faulty premise – that premise is “Everyone who doesn’t live up to my ideal of human sexuality (‘true love’) is essentially no better than a drug addict who just wants pleasure and nothing more.”
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Well, you’d agree someone who scorns true love is immoral, no? What is your notion of true love? Is it plausible? Or is there no such thing as true love?

I’d say those who don’t live up to true love are worse than drug addicts. At least drug addicts can’t help themselves. Sexual debauchery is much worse, since it is a much easier passion to control, leaving little excuse. Promiscuity is more fit for lower animals like rats than rational beings. (I’m not accusing you of this.) And yet some call it progress?
 
Neil_Anthony said:
People would get used to it and it would no longer be enough.
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But, there is nothing more pleasurful than having the freedom to push your own pleasure button as often as one wants since it would be attached to the belt. Reason would dictate that if one could do no better than maximum pleasure, one should either become reasonably disciplined enough not to push it too often so as not to take it for granted, or one would become insanely addicted and push it all the time nonstop, to the point of madness. This is where the drug addicts overdose, which stops breathing, but no such action would occur in this pleasure button scenario.
 
AntiTheist said:
What in the world was that about? Just because people don’t always live up to the ideal you have in your precious little head you think the only alternative is to go off the deep end and become the equivalent of a drug addict?
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I’m simply asking that one think, to merely consider one’s life target or priorities. If one is not fully aware that one’s priorities in life currently involve desperately heading in the hedonistic direction, then this question might HELP them to recognize it. Look at all the painful addictions that enslave people. Most of them are based on the pursuit of pleasure. Wouldn’t one want to help to free them of their burden if that’s what they wanted?

If one free willingly consents to head in this direction, then one is validated. If one is offended, then maybe one’s priorities have slipped without knowing it. That’s all I’m pondering. It’s free thought. It’s liberating to evaluate one’s situation and free willingly consent to stay the course, or have the freedom, knowledge, and choice to change, if desired. Recognition and free will is liberating.
 
Mary_Virginia said:
Is this all we can talk about? I think some need to go join an organization to help assist other’s in the basic needs of life many are lacking right now due to the economy and illness, and persecution,etc.,I mean REALLY guys…get real.:confused:
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Please read post #14 and tell me what you think.
 
AntiTheist said:
He was proposing a ridiculous scenario on the basis of a faulty premise – that premise is “Everyone who doesn’t live up to my ideal of human sexuality (‘true love’) is essentially no better than a drug addict who just wants pleasure and nothing more.”

That premise should not go unchallenged. My comment was intended to point out that placing so much values on one’s feelings – one’s sorrow that the world doesn’t live up to your own unrealistic, idealist expectations – leads one to make logical errors.

It is a false dichotomy to assert that a person must either subscribe to your own ideals of “true love” or be nothing more than a pleasure-seeking drug-addict equivalent. It’s sloppy thinking derived from far too much value placed on one’s emotional attachments to a fantasy.
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The dichotomy was intentional. My thoughts are that we have become so “politically correct” (why, I don’t know since I didn’t vote for the unelected media to attempt determine our values) and focussed on shades of gray that we have lost sight of the big picture: the black and the white ends of the spectrum. Back in the day, it was commonplace to see things in the extremes, but at least people had more common sense. It just helps to focus way out, then come way back in, to get the whole perspective, imo.
 
edwest2 said:
“Is it time”? I thought that’s why they created the internet - for instant gratification.
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No, that leads to a shame spiral, self loathing, and frankly, pushing a button is quicker.
DCNBILL said:
I think, at least for some people I know, I would place the electrodes in another body part. :eek:
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But those parts stimulate the pleasure centres of the brain. Cut out the middleman. Ockham’s Razor!
ManOnFire said:
This is where the drug addicts overdose, which stops breathing, but no such action would occur in this pleasure button scenario.
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I can accept this if it’s merely a stipulation of your though-experiment, but serotonin toxicity is a real thing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome
 
I suggest that the ones in favor of such an experiment, conduct it on their own tribe first.
Get a group large enough, and conduct a study.

Because, you never had reasons enough to conduct this type of study before now.

Times must be tough.
 
ManOnFire said:
The dichotomy was intentional. My thoughts are that we have become so “politically correct” (why, I don’t know since I didn’t vote for the unelected media to attempt determine our values) and focussed on shades of gray that we have lost sight of the big picture: the black and the white ends of the spectrum. Back in the day, it was commonplace to see things in the extremes, but at least people had more common sense. It just helps to focus way out, then come way back in, to get the whole perspective, imo.
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Back in the day the “common sense” was:
Blacks are bad.
Women can not vote.
Let’s ban alcohol because we can see Mohammed got that control factor right on!

This was all “common sense” and still is with the unelected. And un…
 
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