Is it time we welcome the gay community to ours?

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I’m a definite believer yes they should. Lets be honest the popularity of the church is declining at an alarming rate. And we need to get people excited about coming again and not chastise any walk of life we deem unfit.

Ps. I’m straight and catholic

So what is your view?
Truth is truth, even if no one believes it. Falsehood is falsehood, even if everyone believes it. What becomes of the souls of those who make people living in mortal sin comfortable in this life and cause them to lose their immortal souls? Homosexual tendencies are a heavy, painful cross to bear, and those who struggle with them need our prayers, compassion, and encouragement to live a chaste life in accordance with the teachings of the Church.
 
The Church is very welcoming. I don’t see the Church having a problem with discrimination.
 
I don’t think the Scriptures condemn Homosexuality, and I don’t think the Church should either. As we’ve seen in history, our Church has committed egregious sins. Anti-Semitism, the persecution of Galileo, Copernicus and Newton, the Inquisition, the Crusades, genocide of Native Americans etc. etc. It used to be Church dogma that the Earth was flat and that being black was a curse. It will take awhile, but I think, with the help of groups like Equally Blessed, the Church will come around and treat LGBT people the way they’re supposed be treated, like everyone else.
P.S. Don’t block my account, I have freedom of speech. Remember? Or is the website run by the Inquisition? I sure hope not, I’m not in the mood to be hung by my thumbs.
 
I don’t think the Scriptures condemn Homosexuality, and I don’t think the Church should either. As we’ve seen in history, our Church has committed egregious sins. Anti-Semitism, the persecution of Galileo, Copernicus and Newton, the Inquisition, the Crusades, genocide of Native Americans etc. etc. It used to be Church dogma that the Earth was flat and that being black was a curse. It will take awhile, but I think, with the help of groups like Equally Blessed, the Church will come around and treat LGBT people the way they’re supposed be treated, like everyone else.
P.S. Don’t block my account, I have freedom of speech. Remember? Or is the website run by the Inquisition? I sure hope not, I’m not in the mood to be hung by my thumbs.
you don’t get banned for having a different point of view, but there is a lot of claims that you have made that nearly warrant a thread each by themselves, you can get a warning for derailing a thread or insulting a poster rather than debating their view,
God Bless
 
I am sorry if this seems crude but the reason people don’t focus on boys or men who masturbate is because if they were all truly honest probably 90% do it and another 8% would lie about doing it. The other 2% have emotionally issue because they were brought up that it is a sin. If you are right that sinner who do not repent have no place in the church.
Nonsense. So you are saying that men who do not masturbate have emotional issues? So you either commit mortal sin or you have emotional issues?

I’m with Hoosier Daddy on this, I have struggled with this issue and have overcome it. In the end all it takes is a bit of self control, it’s not so difficult. We are not animals with urges that must be satisfied.

Look on the urge as a temptation from Satan, and think of the consequences of committing mortal sin - complete separation from Christ. On that basis is a little bit of sordid pleasure really worth paying that price?

Do not assume that all, or even the majority, of men sat in the pews commit this sin.
 
Actually, I’ve been banned for “pro homosexual agenda postings” before. I didn’t derail anything or insult anybody. The thread was about homosexuality and I posted my opinions. I got in a few discussions and all of a sudden the thread gets closed and my account was banned. Who am I, Winston Smith?!
 
I don’t think the Scriptures condemn Homosexuality, and I don’t think the Church should either. As we’ve seen in history, our Church has committed egregious sins. Anti-Semitism, the persecution of Galileo, Copernicus and Newton, the Inquisition, the Crusades, genocide of Native Americans etc. etc. It used to be Church dogma that the Earth was flat and that being black was a curse. It will take awhile, but I think, with the help of groups like Equally Blessed, the Church will come around and treat LGBT people the way they’re supposed be treated, like everyone else.
P.S. Don’t block my account, I have freedom of speech. Remember? Or is the website run by the Inquisition? I sure hope not, I’m not in the mood to be hung by my thumbs.
This is why God destroyed sodom and Gomarrah, plus there is quite a few verses that speak against homosexuality.
 
Actually, I’ve been banned for “pro homosexual agenda postings” before. I didn’t derail anything or insult anybody. The thread was about homosexuality and I posted my opinions. I got in a few discussions and all of a sudden the thread gets closed and my account was banned. Who am I, Winston Smith?!
that’s another thing you should know, if your banned you can’t open another account under a different pseudo name. so it probably wouldn’t be advisable to alert the moderators you’ve done that by posting same:)]
if only the moderators would ban all those with a prohomosexual agenda:p
 
This is why God destroyed sodom and Gomarrah, plus there is quite a few verses that speak against homosexuality.
OOPS----I WROTE THIS WHOLE POST AND THEN REALIZED I PUT IT ON THE WRONG “QUOTE”. I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHICH ONE I MEANT TO ADDRESS THOUGH–AND I APOLOGIZE IT’S ON THE WRONG ONE. I JUST DON’T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE IT NOW SO I AM ADDING THIS EDIT INSTEAD. SORRY!:banghead:

I won’t take this point by point, but will only say this: you say the church was once anti-semetic and had to change it’s incorrect view. I can remember in the 50’s when we prayed on Good Friday, for instance, that the Jews would be converted–but in perhaps a more negative way than we do so today. We didn’t condemn them as a religion, though I would agree that there was more of an “attitude” that they were misled and had somehow daftly managed to miss the coming of the Christ they had been waiting on for 2000 years. So. Has the church changed today and if so how? We still believe basically that the Jews managed to miss the coming of the Christ they were waiting for–and we pray for their conversion–though perhaps in a little more PC way than an old lady like myself just stated it–but nothing has changed really. The simple fact is that the Catholic church has ALWAYS taught and still teaches that the Jews missed the coming of their Christ and are still awaiting an event that already passed them by 2000 years ago and we Catholics are still praying that some bright day a light bulb will come on and they will–as a religion–have an “AHA!-moment”! Right? The Inquisition, and all the other social evils that you speak of, which the church “committed” were basically teachings and sins of men IN the church. The church has never had to back up and take a second look at a teaching of God the Father or Jesus–to the best of my knowledge. God is who set the standard for marriage as being between one man and one woman and God is who decided that sexual relations outside of marriage are a sin–whether hetero or homosexual. Jesus confirmed that the rule of law stood when He told those who asked Him about being saved that to get to heaven they must “keep the commandments”–which he did then sum up in terms of love, but did NOT abolish. The Catholic Church did NOT make the rule. If the rule were made by men–even by a man in the Catholic church such as a pope, I would agree that it might at least be open for discussion. This is not the case with active homosexuality however. Homosexuals do NOT meet the “one-man-one-woman” standard which GOD set and thus cannot be married and therefore if they have sexual relations, they violate a law that GOD made–not the church! The Catholic church simply acknowledges what God said–and what Jesus reaffirmed–as to how we are to live–if we do not wish to live in sin and land in hell for eternity! God did NOT give man–or the Catholic church as a whole-- a vote on the issue, any more than God gave man–or the Catholic church as a whole— a vote on the issue of worshiping false gods. Being kind and compassionate to a sinner is one thing—and as Christians we absolutely MUST do so. And it is important that we be so and act that way–that we leave the judging up to God and instead of judging, try to show love, good example and try really hard to bring all sinners to the church and to God and salvation. That’s our job on earth. Frankly, even someone like the Boston bomber must be shown compassion–as hard as it is and though it goes against our very nature as human beings to do so. Somehow though, saying that the Catholic church is wrong and will need to change it’s view on something still being a sin—and which God established as a sin—because He made the law 2000 years ago which Jesus upheld I might add, for the reason that “C’mon it’s now 2013 after all–so lighten up Church!”, is a little bit above even the Catholic church itself’s pay grade I suspect-- and somewhat along the line of thinking that Adam and Eve used and that got us into this mess in the first place!
 
I’m a definite believer yes they should. Lets be honest the popularity of the church is declining at an alarming rate. And we need to get people excited about coming again and not chastise any walk of life we deem unfit.

Ps. I’m straight and catholic

So what is your view?
The “gay community” can never be accepted. It is a self-affirming label and community of sinners who have not only unabashedly given in to their sin, but have glorified it, and made it an idol. They are unrepentant as a “community”. Now, as Christians, we are already called, (and I hope all of us are responding), to love all persons. And if anyone suffering under the cross of same sex attraction is struggling to remain chaste, and staying away, the best they can from the lifestyle, etc. etc., then they are not going to be self-identifying as “gay” to begin with. And certainly not advocating for homosexual sex, and lobbying for same sex marriage laws, etc. There are plenty of homosexual men and women who are aware they are going through a struggle. They are, have been, and always will be more than welcome. But those who are part of the “gay community”, which implies love of sodomy…no shame…idolotry of sexuality over all other aspects of human existence…and a lot of other anti-Christian traits…well, I’m not sure they are even interested while lost in their sins, in BEING a part of our Church, except with the idea of desecrating the sacraments, and politicizing the mystical body of Christ. Any one of them, separated from the culture they identify themselves with, is just an individual Child of God, and if sorrowful for their sins, like heterosexuals who sin through fornication, adultery, pornography, etc., they come and stand in line with me at the confessional, and come with me to the alter to accept the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ with me as my brother. No problems. People who identify as being in the “gay community” aren’t likely to be in line with me at the confessional, because they have come to believe their sin is special, and a mistake by God. That just because their love for the sin is strong, that it can’t be a sin. This isn’t useful. Until this attitude, by this particular group of sinners starts to drop away, and they are individual repentant sinners, then you’re not likely to see an all out welcoming committee for the persons who consider themselves an actual member of the LGBT community. Just each single person who is open to the idea of their sex acts being sinful, and who break away themselves from this community of promotional sin, is welcome in every single way. And this is already the case.
 
Really? Well, lets take a look at what Jesus and His Church has to say.

You are probably familiar with the woman caught in adultery in John 8 right? I assume you are because this is a favorite of the “don’t Judge” crowd. But in recap, there was a woman they brought Jesus a woman caught in adultery. (a sexual sin) and they were about to stone her. Jesus did not condemn her. BUT and everyone forgets this part, He tells her something.

John 8:11

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One other thing to note was the beginning of the passage. The brought this woman to Jesus to test Him,

What exactly was the test then? If He denied the Mosaic law, then they could denounce Him to the people.

If He upheld the stoning, they could denounce Him to the Romans, as only they could inflict Capital Punishment

So Christ did not deny the Law of Moses ( nor could He, as He was the author of that Law), but did so in a way that could not be taken to the Romans.

Much like the coin and paying to Caesar 👍.

To see if he
 
One other thing to note was the beginning of the passage. The brought this woman to Jesus to test Him,

What exactly was the test then? If He denied the Mosaic law, then they could denounce Him to the people.

If He upheld the stoning, they could denounce Him to the Romans, as only they could inflict Capital Punishment

So Christ did not deny the Law of Moses ( nor could He, as He was the author of that Law), but did so in a way that could not be taken to the Romans.

Much like the coin and paying to Caesar 👍.

To see if he
Good point. One also gets the feeling that we are being brought a test.
Notice, that the example Jesus lays out for us is not one of fear and condemnation but it is not one of acceptance of a sinful lifestyle either. Mercy shown by Jesus is an example to us all! He did not condemn, but he did not allow either. I think we all agree that Jesus did not give her permission to adulterate again, nor did he even make it an option of trying to not do it again. He commanded her to not do it again. Many in our Church today would define anyone else doing this as condemning, judging and not being welcoming. But when they lob those baseless accusations at others they are really lobbing them at Christ and His Church.
Because it is Christ, God himself, that set up the “rules” that people love to rail against.

Is a homosexual welcome? Absolutely. Is a homosexual entitled to live in sin? Nope. And it is out of love and mercy and justice that we (the Church) must hold fast to this principle of salvation, forgiveness and repentance.

If I see a known homosexual in line for communion, I assume he is repentant and in a state of grace. If I see him pushing for gay marriage outside of the Church or in social circles I must help him see past this carnal desire. The same as any other sinner.

Homosexual advocates love to point out that we have people who use ABC, masturbate and adulterate, as if that somehow saves their souls to point out that others are in danger of hell as well.

Again, the ONLY difference is that it is the homosexuals themselves who even make this an issue at all! It is not coming from judgemental homilies, or others in the Church who discriminate. It just does not happen.
 
If I see a known homosexual in line for communion, I assume he is repentant and in a state of grace. If I see him pushing for gay marriage outside of the Church or in social circles I must help him see past this carnal desire. The same as any other sinner.
Homosexual advocates love to point out that we have people who use ABC, masturbate and adulterate, as if that somehow saves their souls to point out that others are in danger of hell as well.
Again, the ONLY difference is that it is the homosexuals themselves who even make this an issue at all! It is not coming from judgemental homilies, or others in the Church who discriminate. It just does not happen.
Lol. I nearly used my entire word limit to say (poorly), what this says in three very short paragraphs. Good post.
 
That is correct.

But there seems to be a special case being made for homosexuals as if they are generally unrepentent, particularly sinful, and as such not welcome. Many sins are committed by members of our Church, homosexuals are simply sinners like the rest of us, and are ought to be welcomed as much as anyone else.
Well if someone was a notorious member of a “swingers” club there might be the same response. Or someone advocating “guilt free masturbation for all.” And wearing the tee shirts etc.

(I can’t believe I just typed the last 2 lines!):eek:😊
 
I am sorry if this seems crude but the reason people don’t focus on boys or men who masturbate is because if they were all truly honest probably 90% do it and another 8% would lie about doing it. The other 2% have emotionally issue because they were brought up that it is a sin. If you are right that sinner who do not repent have no place in the church.

There is another thread which is discussing the Pope’s view on a ideological epidemic in the church which is causing a distance between people and God. You might look into that.
You might also want to look up what the Pope stated about the Church’s moral teaching on homosexuality, he stated the teachings were correct and that he agreed with them.

The Church teaching is that masturbation is always objectively a mortal sin, I would rather have an “emotional issue” then burn in hell for all eternity.
 
Homosexuality is not good because people say it is. Transexuality is worse. You don’t change faith on this because it’s politically safe to do it. But it’s been accepted by many who don’t challenge views given, even when gays do wrong things as Milk did. Heros for homosexuals are cowards who sexually abuse teenage boys such as Harvey B. Milk (even the gays confess that Milk is their hero). He had 2 victims-including 1 who is handicapped but he has a day named after him in California and now a stamp :confused: It’s sad that so many see nothing wrong with this.
 
Maybe you know more people than I do, I am not aware of any cohabitating couples in my parish and if there were they would be shunned.

if you know any couples in your parish who are divorced and remarried without an annulment then I would recommend you let your priest know about it ASAP and if he does nothing report it to your bishop.
what exactly would you report :confused: :rolleyes: :p:rolleyes::eek:🤷😉
 
Homosexuality is not good because people say it is. Transexuality is worse. You don’t change faith on this because it’s politically safe to do it. But it’s been accepted by many who don’t challenge views given, even when gays do wrong things as Milk did. Heros for homosexuals are cowards who sexually abuse teenage boys such as Harvey B. Milk (even the gays confess that Milk is their hero), see americansfortruth.com/2013/10/28/barber-sexual-predator-harvey-milk-honored-with-postage-stamp/. He had 2 victims-including 1 who is handicapped but he has a day named after him in California and now a stamp :confused: It’s sad that so many see nothing wrong with this.
Can we all say together, T R O L L!:eek:
 
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