Is it true about Italy?

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Is it true that Italy is becoming less Catholic, more Muslim, and more secular? (Well I would guess it is more secular; the rest of the world is)

If these things are true that is very sad considering their strong history involving the Church and such. 😦
 
I think this is a common scene in a lot of Europe right now…
That is what I have heard only though…🤷

There are a few of my European counter-parts that may be able to clarify more…
 
Countries that have historically been bastions of Catholicism like Austria and Italy have legalized abortions, so I would say that this is in fact the case. Hopefully countries where abortion is still illegal, like many in South America, Ireland and Poland will stay that way.
 
coolduude said:
Is it true that Italy is becoming less Catholic, more Muslim, and more secular? (Well I would guess it is more secular; the rest of the world is)

If these things are true that is very sad considering their strong history involving the Church and such. 😦
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While it is true for Italy, the same thing could be said of so many nations. Europe has pretty much fallen for Secularism to the point that the Church may not exist there if it continues in the decades to come. As for the United States it too has fallen. Father John Corapi once said in one of his speeches that in the 50 years he has been alive, America has gone from a nation of such Chirstian values to what you see today. But I still have hope. Another thing that Father John Corapi said was that surrendering is NEVER an option. We must always see it from this point. That while things are not the best right now, we must always stand up and fight for what’s right. And in the process win everyone we have lost. Remember doing this by ourselves it will never happen, but we are not alone. We have God and as everyone pretty much knows, with GOD anything is possible.
 
coolduude said:
Is it true that Italy is becoming less Catholic, more Muslim, and more secular? (Well I would guess it is more secular; the rest of the world is)

If these things are true that is very sad considering their strong history involving the Church and such. 😦
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It’s certainly still ‘culturally Catholic’ - watching the TV news, the Pope seems to have a place similar to that of the Queen on the UK TV news. As to ‘more Muslim’, if a million Muslims out of 60 million population counts as ‘more Muslim’ then I suppose that might be the case.
 
Yes, it is true.

The birth rate / fertility rate of traditional Italy is way below replacement rate.

Meanwhile the Muslim fertility rate in Italy is WAY above replacement rate.

Italy has very high taxes and that is a disincentive for large families.

It’s not just Italy, either. All of Europe has the same problem.

Parts of Europe already effectively function under Sharia Law.

It’s complicated, but that’s the short answer.

If you want to learn more, read about PIGS [Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain] Not an insult. It’s the acronym for countries that are going down the tubes. Failing. Economic basketcases. Other countries, as well.

elliottwave.com/freeupdates/archives/2009/12/08/Portugal-Italy-Greece-Spain-PIGS-Cracks-in-the-European-Union.aspx

Just go to Google and type in the names of the countries: Portugal Italy Greece Spain.

Also just go to Google and type in: Sharia Law in Europe. Tons of stuff

hudsonny.org/2009/03/sharias-inroads-in-europe-italian-court-beaten-up-for-her-own-good.php
 
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

By the way, this CAN be reversed, by simply giving Europeans financial incentives for traditional families with large numbers of children.

With that change, the difference could happen tomorrow.

But as long as taxes remain high and bureaucratic government increases in size, then the traditional European fertility rate will continue to decline. Now at 1.0 versus the Muslim fertility rate of 5.0 or thereabouts.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

By the way, this CAN be reversed, by simply giving Europeans financial incentives for traditional families with large numbers of children.

With that change, the difference could happen tomorrow.

But as long as taxes remain high and bureaucratic government increases in size, then the traditional European fertility rate will continue to decline. Now at 1.0 versus the Muslim fertility rate of 5.0 or thereabouts.
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Conjecture upon conjecture upon conjecture.
 
If you want to learn more, read about PIGS [Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain] Not an insult.
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Er…the I in PIGS stands for Ireland, not Italy.
 
EphelDuath said:
Countries that have historically been bastions of Catholicism like Austria and Italy have legalized abortions, so I would say that this is in fact the case. Hopefully countries where abortion is still illegal, like many in South America, Ireland and Poland will stay that way.
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Abortion is not illegal in Poland.

And, technically speaking, it’s not illegal in Ireland either under certain circumstances.
 
aspirant said:
:rotfl:

BTW, Kaninchen, I like your Nijntje avatar & sig. 👍 Is she called Kaninchen in German? She’s called Miffy over here, for reasons I don’t know.
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Oh, I grew up with ‘Miffy’ too - Kaninchen is just ‘rabbit’ in German and ‘il ruggito della coniglia’ is ‘the roar of the rabbit’ in Italian (which I borrowed from ‘Il ruggito del coniglio’, the morning drive-time show on RAI2, RAI being the Italian equivalent or the BBC).
 
Havard said:
Does this one fit under that description too? 🤷

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7232661.stm
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Depends on how desperate one is to have a ‘Muslim ate my hamster!’ spin, I expect.

The question of a ‘sharia’ court in this context is no different from ‘beth din’ court which already exists for Jews in the UK. They’re ‘arbitration’ courts where, within the context of UK law (they can’t do anything outside UK law) both parties agree to accept arbitration by a third party.

It would be hypocritical to denounce the former without denouncing the latter - or, indeed, the whole ‘arbitration’ system which is common in the UK.
 
And such courts only deal with civil cases, and only with the agreement of the parties concerned.

Crimes are dealt with in the Criminal Court system regardless of a person’s religion - the most notable lately being in relation to the 7/7 bomb attacks on London Transport, in which the accused claimed to be Muslim.
 
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