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anhphan
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Because if you go to putagory, you will still go to heaven?
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mrsdizzyd
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A favor? Better to think of it as God’s divine mercy.
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anhphan
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So it is God’s mercy right? 
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mrsdizzyd
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That God would give us time to be perfected before we enter the kingdom of heaven rather than send us to hell? Absolutely. God is merciful and just!
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anhphan
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Oh, If God knows how long we stay in putagory, why do we have to pray for the souls in putagory? Thank you.
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mrsdizzyd
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For the same reason we pray for ourselves and others.mrsdizzyd:
Oh, If God knows how long we stay in putagory, why do we have to pray for the souls in putagory? Thank you.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s1c3a2.htm
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Reuben_J
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You can think of it that way. Purgatory is a grace.
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fhansen
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It’s God’s mercy and justice combined. God’s kind and merciful towards sinners, and yet can’t allow sinners into heaven. We demonstrate that we don’t even want to “see” God, and are incapable of it anyway, to the extent that we’re still attracted to lesser, created things before Himself above all else, to the extent that we’re still attracted to sin, to the extent that we’re not yet very ‘pure of heart’. It’s a matter of our wills in the end, motivated by the degree that we love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves, this love being the real definition of our justice.
So while God is merciful and forgiving, we must still respond to that during our lives by conforming ourselves to his image, the image of love which is the very standard for His justice and therefore the basis of His Law. This requires His help, His grace, with our cooperation. If we’ve shown ourselves to be sufficiently oriented towards this love, towards this perfection, and haven’t compromised it and our relationship or communion with God to a serious degree then He mercifully puts the finishing touches on our purification or perfecting in purgatory, finishing there the work He began on earth.
So while God is merciful and forgiving, we must still respond to that during our lives by conforming ourselves to his image, the image of love which is the very standard for His justice and therefore the basis of His Law. This requires His help, His grace, with our cooperation. If we’ve shown ourselves to be sufficiently oriented towards this love, towards this perfection, and haven’t compromised it and our relationship or communion with God to a serious degree then He mercifully puts the finishing touches on our purification or perfecting in purgatory, finishing there the work He began on earth.
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Limoncello4021
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Please note that it is spelled purgatory, not putagory.
The root of the word is to “purge” or “cleanse.” Souls have to be completely pure to appear before the all-pure God. Therefore, those who need purgation are happy to undergo this cleansing, however painful it may be.
The root of the word is to “purge” or “cleanse.” Souls have to be completely pure to appear before the all-pure God. Therefore, those who need purgation are happy to undergo this cleansing, however painful it may be.
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DignumEtJustum
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Just request a plenary indulgence on your death bed or have a family member do it for you later.
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Limoncello4021
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TheBible is not giving Catholic teaching on Purgatory, which the early Church has proclaimed from the beginning. Prayers for the dead appear a number of times in the Bible, and accounts like that of the martyrdom of Perpetua have clear references to purgatory. Protestants like to claim that such doctrines are not biblical, but they read the Bible selectively and rarely take the time to read the actual works of the Church Fathers.
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Seagull
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The Priest today commented on the Isaiah reading -
when an angel touched his lips - with a burning coal -
and wasn’t burned - but cleansed of uncleanness -
The Priest said - that’s kind of what purgatory is like.
when an angel touched his lips - with a burning coal -
and wasn’t burned - but cleansed of uncleanness -
The Priest said - that’s kind of what purgatory is like.
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Wesrock
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It’s a myth to claim that Purgatory is a fifteenth century Catholic invention. Judaism teaches a purgatory (though the word is derived from Latin, but the doctrine is similar), and has since at least the second century BC, and would have been known by Jesus and other first century Jews already. The Church furthermore has written record from the very first centuries of the Church of the doctrine that there is a cleansing of attachment to sin prior to entering heaven, and given all of this context there are implicit allusions to this doctrine in multiple passages in the Bible, and a rather explicit reference in Maccabees II.
And none of the passages you quoted contradict Catholic teaching in Purgatory. Maybe you should learn a bit more about what the Church teaches.
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Limoncello4021
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Yes, one frequently meets Protestants who have imbibed such myths about Catholic teaching. They seem to have never done study on the matter, and know little to nothing about Catholic history and the development of Catholic doctrine. They read nothing by the countless saints who have written on Purgatory, and know nothing of the rich depth of Church teaching and experience on the matter. It’s kinda sad.
“To be seeped in history is to cease being Protestant.”
“To be seeped in history is to cease being Protestant.”
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PetraG
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You cannot gain a plenary indulgence unless (as the Vatican web site puts it) you have the interior disposition of complete detachment from sin, even venial sin. That doesn’t quite go with the “just request X on your deathbed” method, which sounds as if it seeks to avoid correction from attachment to sin carried to the point of death.
Anyone who honestly wants a plenary indulgence will seek one sooner, not later.
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DignumEtJustum
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That is more or less the case with every sacrament and sacramental in the Church.
po18guy
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Would you please stop it! Bible this and bible that! Jesus did not found His Church on the bible!
Man did! 1,500 years later!
And yes, purgatory is in the bible - but not for the blind to see. Paul even wrote of it! How could you miss that?
1 Corinthians 3:10-15. Let us review:
Gotta take your anti-Catholic blinders off - they are unbecoming a Christian who is seeking the truth rather than validation of the ego.
Gotta know your bible!
Full story, bro’
p.s. This is a no-twisting zone.
Man did! 1,500 years later!
And yes, purgatory is in the bible - but not for the blind to see. Paul even wrote of it! How could you miss that?
1 Corinthians 3:10-15. Let us review:
- After death
- At the judgment
- A man’s works (NOT faith!) will be tested by the refiner’s fire.
- The works may withstand the fire or burn up
- If the man’s work burns up, he will suffer loss yet still be saved…
- But only as if passing through FIRE.
Gotta take your anti-Catholic blinders off - they are unbecoming a Christian who is seeking the truth rather than validation of the ego.
Gotta know your bible!
Full story, bro’
p.s. This is a no-twisting zone.
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CRM_Brother
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Theo2
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I prepared a quiz for a youth conference. One of the questions was: Is there such a place as purgatory?
We were in a large group and one of the man ask the priest, who is now a Bishop, across the room Is there
a placed called purgatory? Father said, I sure hope so!
We were in a large group and one of the man ask the priest, who is now a Bishop, across the room Is there
a placed called purgatory? Father said, I sure hope so!
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