Is it true that the next Pope is supposed to be the last?

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I beg to differ I am Catholic and just had a scripture class on this…The book of Revelation was written in code during a time of persecutions

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I do not mean any offense to you personally, but when I hear stuff like this from Catholics, I can’t help but be drawn to the Orthodox Church, which seems more and more every day like the true Church which Christ started.
So many Catholic theologians, especially after Vatican 2, seem to have turned their backs 2,000 years of tradition to please the so-called “modern” world.

The Book IS from God.
According to most church fathers, the Book of Revelations concerns the
entire period
of the Church,** from the beginning through until the return of Christ and the beginning of the new creation.**
 
From Jimmy Akin a Catholic Apologist

Jimmy Akin)

NeroYesterday I blogged about the fact that in Greek, Jesus’ name adds up to 888. In response, a reader asked:
Code:
All this brings to 666, the number of the beast. I've read somewhere this backtranslates to Nero, though intentionally without determinism. Is there a known spelling of Nero that makes the connection in Latin or ancient Greek?
It is true, though the language isn’t Latin or Greek. It’s Hebrew or Aramaic. These two languages use the same alphabet, though the shapes of the letters are sometimes quite different, and as a result they used the same numbering system. Since first century Jews were Aramaic-speakers, Aramaic is really the more relevant language in this case, but because modern pastors tend to know more Hebrew than Aramaic (since most of the Old Testament is in Hebrew), you often hear that “Nero Caesar” adds up to 666 in Hebrew.

Here’s how it works:

Aramaic and Hebrew did not have vowels in the first century, so words were spelled with consonants. There were different ways one could spell words (in the absence of Webster’s dictionary), and one spelling of “Nero Caesar” (or “Caesar Nero”) was NRWN QSR.
Code:
Nun = 50
Resh = 200
Waw = 6
Nun =  50

Qop = 100
Samekh = 60
Resh = 200

TOTAL = 666
Now, there’s lotsa folks who have names that add up to 666, so why should one be confident that the emperor Nero was who St. John/God had in mind in the book of Revelation?

Well, in Revelation the beast is described as a leader who demands to be worshipped as a god and who persecutes Christians? Any of St. John’s contemporaries fit that bill? Yep: Nero.

Any reason we should think that it would be one of St. John’s contemporaries? Yep, again: At its beginning and its end, the book stresses it deals with what will happen “soon” (Rev. 1:1, 22:6).

Anything else?

Yep the third: Another spelling of “Nero Caesar” in Aramaic(/Hebrew) is NRW QSR, which leaves off a nun (50), resulting in the total number 616 instead of 666.

It turns out that some early manuscripts of Revelation record the beast’s number as 616 rather than 666.

Somebody back then got it–and was used to a different spelling.

(Note: It’s interesting when you’re taking a class in Aramaic and are learning the numbering system–still in use among Aramaic-speakers today–and all this comes up. Startling confirmation of the solidity of all this.)
 
From Jimmy Akin a Catholic Apologist

Jimmy Akin)

NeroYesterday I blogged about the fact that in Greek, Jesus’ name adds up to 888. In response, a reader asked:
Code:
All this brings to 666, the number of the beast. I've read somewhere this backtranslates to Nero, though intentionally without determinism. Is there a known spelling of Nero that makes the connection in Latin or ancient Greek?
It is true, though the language isn’t Latin or Greek. It’s Hebrew or Aramaic. These two languages use the same alphabet, though the shapes of the letters are sometimes quite different, and as a result they used the same numbering system. Since first century Jews were Aramaic-speakers, Aramaic is really the more relevant language in this case, but because modern pastors tend to know more Hebrew than Aramaic (since most of the Old Testament is in Hebrew), you often hear that “Nero Caesar” adds up to 666 in Hebrew.

Here’s how it works:

Aramaic and Hebrew did not have vowels in the first century, so words were spelled with consonants. There were different ways one could spell words (in the absence of Webster’s dictionary), and one spelling of “Nero Caesar” (or “Caesar Nero”) was NRWN QSR.
Code:
Nun = 50
Resh = 200
Waw = 6
Nun =  50

Qop = 100
Samekh = 60
Resh = 200

TOTAL = 666
Now, there’s lotsa folks who have names that add up to 666, so why should one be confident that the emperor Nero was who St. John/God had in mind in the book of Revelation?

Well, in Revelation the beast is described as a leader who demands to be worshipped as a god and who persecutes Christians? Any of St. John’s contemporaries fit that bill? Yep: Nero.

Any reason we should think that it would be one of St. John’s contemporaries? Yep, again: At its beginning and its end, the book stresses it deals with what will happen “soon” (Rev. 1:1, 22:6).

Anything else?

Yep the third: Another spelling of “Nero Caesar” in Aramaic(/Hebrew) is NRW QSR, which leaves off a nun (50), resulting in the total number 616 instead of 666.

It turns out that some early manuscripts of Revelation record the beast’s number as 616 rather than 666.

Somebody back then got it–and was used to a different spelling.

(Note: It’s interesting when you’re taking a class in Aramaic and are learning the numbering system–still in use among Aramaic-speakers today–and all this comes up. Startling confirmation of the solidity of all this.)
And what about the mark on the forehead and the hand?
Where does that fit in to your claim?
 
And what about the mark on the forehead and the hand?
Where does that fit in to your claim?
Nero bore a scar or a mark on his face…If you don’t believe me ask the apologist on this website…there were many reasons Nero is identified as the beast…This book was written to 7 churches and it was in code
 
I am a Catholic not an Orthodox…this is what the Catholic encyclopedia has to say about the book of the Apocalypse

read interpretation…

newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm

You say you want to be Catholic…You must understand one thing…Catholics do not interpret for themselves…the church interprets scripture for us…
 
I am wondering, because it seems that a saint predicted this and I am wondering if the Vatican agrees? Some say the last Pope is supposed to be “the evil one” and I am wondering if this was part of the prediction? And if it is, then how in the world are they going to choose a Pope knowing he’s supposed to be evil???:confused:
It is not for any of us to know such things.
 
I am a Catholic not an Orthodox…this is what the Catholic encyclopedia has to say about the book of the Apocalypse

read interpretation…

newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm

You say you want to be Catholic…You must understand one thing…Catholics do not interpret for themselves…the church interprets scripture for us…
I am very aware of that. I know the Catechism cover to cover.

I am just going by what the holy Church Fathers all say versus the modernist post Vatican 2 people.

I try not to have any ego or pride, so I will be the first to admit if I am wrong.
 
I am very aware of that. I know the Catechism cover to cover.
I am just going by what the holy Church Fathers all say versus the modernist post Vatican 2 people.
I try not to have any ego or pride, so I will be the first to admit if I am wrong.
Hi Kama,

I think a more authentic Catholic interpretation would be to say that Revelation 13-14 applies to Nero and to the Great Antichrist who is to come. There tends to be an “either/or” view of Revelation rather than a “both/and”. It’s always best to remember that Revelation is the inspired word of Almighty God, and he is certainly capable of inspiring scripture which is relevant to Christians in all ages (also this isn’t said enough, but Nero/the destruction of the Temple has always been seen as a type of the End of the World, so right off the bat it seems logical to me that the text has at least 2 historical/eshatalogical meanings).

I think one can reasonably read Revelation with the insight of modern scholarship without abandoning the traditional, patristic teachings with a more eschatalogical view.

I totally understand what you are saying. The holy Fathers say one thing consistently and the Church seems to accept that, then all of a sudden historical criticism comes along and noone even looks at the Fathers anymore and pretends the Church never believed as they did. I think that’s really unfortunate and spiritually difficient because I think it would be better (and further recognize the awesomeness of the foresight of God) to say both are correct.

Anyways, my :twocents:
 
That is why we have a Pope…times change and so does knowlege …we are not fundamentalists…Scripture is studied in the historical context of which it was written

This is why it takes years to become a priest…the study scripture for years . It is the job of the church to get us to heaven, not to spread fear
 
I don’t think the two viewpoints are mutually-exclusive, regarding Revelations. Very rarely is it in Scripture that something only refers to one thing. Just as the Ark both symbolizes Mary and was an actual object, so too does John’s allusions to Nero, etc. describe for us the ages of the Church.

EDIT: Oops, I went out for an hour, came back, and posted without refreshing, so I missed Raphael’s post. Summed it up much better than I did. 🙂
 
That is why we have a Pope…times change and so does knowlege …we are not fundamentalists…Scripture is studied in the historical context of which it was written
Hi Red,

Are you of the opinion that Revelation 13-14 only applies to Nero / the Church within in the 1st century?
 
Actually, our current pope says that historical info is an important technique for understanding the Bible, and so are traditional interpretations and plain old prayer and devotion. The beginning parts of his Jesus of Nazareth book make this point very strongly.
 
That is why we have a Pope…times change and so does knowlege …we are not fundamentalists…Scripture is studied in the historical context of which it was written

This is why it takes years to become a priest…the study scripture for years . It is the job of the church to get us to heaven, not to spread fear
It only took St. Augustine three years.
 
Actually, our current pope says that historical info is an important technique for understanding the Bible, and so are traditional interpretations and plain old prayer and devotion. The beginning parts of his Jesus of Nazareth book make this point very strongly.
And we see in Galatians that Pope Peter was being a hypocrite by refusing to be seen with Gentiles.

And I know popes have said and done other stuff, too.

Still, unless the pope infallible teaches something, I could really care less for hippie modernist opinions.
 
And we see in Galatians that Pope Peter was being a hypocrite by refusing to be seen with Gentiles.

And I know popes have said and done other stuff, too.

Still, unless the pope infallible teaches something, I could really care less for hippie modernist opinions.
Are you trying to say that Popes are no better than you or me unless he’s speaking infallibly? I’m 100% sure that Pope Benedict has more theological knowledge in his pinky fingernail than you and I have in our entire bodies . . . put together! Have you read any of his works? I don’t understand why you think a couple things; first, it seems that you don’t believe anything in the Bible can have more than one meaning or represent more than one thing. Second, why you think a Pope needs to be impeccable to be recognized as a higher authority with more theological knowledge than us.

This may not have been what you’ve tried to convey, but that’s what I got out of it.
 
Are you trying to say that Popes are no better than you or me unless he’s speaking infallibly? I’m 100% sure that Pope Benedict has more theological knowledge in his pinky fingernail than you and I have in our entire bodies . . . put together! Have you read any of his works? I don’t understand why you think a couple things; first, it seems that you don’t believe anything in the Bible can have more than one meaning or represent more than one thing. Second, why you think a Pope needs to be impeccable to be recognized as a higher authority with more theological knowledge than us.

This may not have been what you’ve tried to convey, but that’s what I got out of it.
I am sure the pope knows a lot of theology. I also know, that when I die, if I am somehow in heaven, I can learn anything about anything from God in an instant.

I never said that the Bible could not have more than one meaning. What I said is that I will not be lacking in faith and compromise timeless truths to satisfy the opinion of the secularists and the atheists of the world…

And lastly, degrees mean nothing to God. There is a reason why He chose fishermen and tax collectors, and not scribes and theologians.
The pope may know everything revealed to mankind, but it is God who reveals things through a papacy and through the Church.
The intelligence of a pope is irrelevant.
(And yes, I have read many of his writings. There is a very modernist view of things in them, but that does not matter.)
 
Are you trying to say that Popes are no better than you or me unless he’s speaking infallibly? I’m 100% sure that Pope Benedict has more theological knowledge in his pinky fingernail than you and I have in our entire bodies . . . put together! Have you read any of his works? I don’t understand why you think a couple things; first, it seems that you don’t believe anything in the Bible can have more than one meaning or represent more than one thing. Second, why you think a Pope needs to be impeccable to be recognized as a higher authority with more theological knowledge than us.

This may not have been what you’ve tried to convey, but that’s what I got out of it.
Pope Benedict is extremely learned. I have read “Jesus of Nazareth”, “In the Beginning” and I am reading “St. Paul”. He is a wonderful writer and I have never learned so much from anyone, and I have read a lot of books on Jesus and religion. His insights are electric.
 
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