Is It Wrong To Call Out Protestants?

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Thank you Trishie :]

I know they do worship Him but I meant in the matter of not the same way as in belief wise. Like Sunday’s reading of 1 John. How if we say we believe but do not follow His ways we are liars.

Then we cannot really complain when they say about us what you say about them What no one is capable of doing is getting inside the soul of someone else; it’s not ultimately A’s business whether B believes and worships as A does, or not: we have to decide for ourselves what - if anything - to worship, and how. Some people worship as Catholics, others as something else, others don’t worship at all. People can influence one another, but not be another; and we have to respect this, and be realistic about what we can & can’t do. (Not that this poster is much good at any of this )​

 

[Dchsknight]

Well, you assumed correctly.

Plus, I assume you didn’t look at my signature.

LOL I guess I didn’t!

Hey Brother, If your are Thinking of Going into the Priesthood. Believe what you know, Know what you believe and Speak the Truth!

In the words of the Oath int he Movie, Kingdom of Heaven…

Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong - that is your oath.

Be a Strong and outspoken Priest, Preach the Gospel with out fear, For then you will Damage the Kingdom of Satan beyond repair and he will never recover.

I will Pray for you!

 

[Th0t]

Thank you Dchsknight,

I really need the prayers. This journey of discernment is really tough but I know with prayer and others help and with the intercessions of Our Mother and the saints and held on to the hand of my Lord, I can get through with this.

No one is a firmer believer in the power of prayer than the devil; not that he practices it, but he suffers from it. ~ Guy H. King

 

[rontalley2]

Well now they do worship Jesus. That is true if they are faithful Christians. The difference is that they have one Sacrament which is baptism. That is not the only difference of course but let’s get on to the point I’m trying to meke.

Now we have seven Sacraments which of course includes, and is our most worshiped or the epitome of the Sacraments, the Eucharist, the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus.

Now they don’t acknowledge this of course since they are Protestant.

But we should not hit anyone who is doing the best they know how with a sledge hammer of proselytizing. We have to be discreet and kind. We must first, and above all, love our fellow Christians and, of course, even people we know who are not Christian.

But please remember this saying that I learned as a child: “You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.”

See my point?

Ron

 

[PastGrandKnight]

You know what is really irritating?

Moslems tell us that their Koran says it is okay to kill the infidels, that is, those who are not Moslems. Interesting book, the Koran. Sorta makes a person think they’ve got all the answers.

Protestants try to make a lot of noise, telling us that they are right and that we are wrong. Funny thing, but I thought we were using the same Bible. Then we suddenly find that we are not!

Roman Catholics try to tell the rest of the world that we are the only ones who are “doing it the right way”. Funny thing, but who are we to make such bold and crass statements? Doesn’t that make us like the Moslems, where anyone who does not go along with “our way” is going to wind up getting the “highway”?

After a while, it’s very annoying to see each religion patting itself on the back while putting down all the others.

There there are the religions that go out to recruit new members, such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Once again, a case of a religion claiming they are the only ones who are doing it right.

And then there are the Jewish people, who do NOT go out to recruit converts. Why? Because they prefer to let people go to them, instead. Funny thing, but in all the many centuries since the time of Moses, the Torah has not changed one iota! The exact same words, written in the exact same language as 5000 years ago. Yet I’m sure there are a few academically challenged people who would say that Jewish people cannot get into Heaven.

What pompous fools some people can be. Indeed.

 

[mario_grgic]

For example: My girlfriend attends college and she has Non-Catholic friends and sometimes when she introduces them to me and she clarifies that they are Non-Catholic they tell me
“Well, we both worship Jesus.” and I always get the urge to say “Not really, or if you only knew the truth.” or something in that way to let them know that they don’t worship Jesus the same as we do.

Am I bad for thinking or wanting to do that? I mean I’m learning about my faith and I feel sad that a lot of my friends or my girlfriend’s friends are Protestants and I want them to learn the truth about Catholicism .

No you are not bad, nor is it wrong to point that out when asked. Yes, Jesus is one, he is divine God and indivisible. But Catholics and Protestants have severely different perception of his revelation to us. What we think Jesus did, said and meant (and how we know and understand him) is totally different from what Protestants think.

Just look at questions like did Jesus really say and mean that we should eat his flesh? Most Protestant denominations understand it that he didn’t. As you probably know there are many many other examples, but this one is probably the most fundamental.

So, in effect the two groups are trying to divide the indivisible. Now it used to be that we were all Catholics, but I won’t go into putting a blame on one side or the other. Let’s just say that Catholic church has stayed true to its mission of preserving the truth as revealed to her, unwavering to this age, saying it and teaching the same, much to the protest of modern age.

 

[PastGrandKnight]

Is anyone here even suggesting that the Spanish Inquisition never took place? Frankly, there are many authorities that would consider it to have been the forerunner of the actions of Saddam Hussein.

 

[Spirithound]

Is anyone here even suggesting that the Spanish Inquisition never took place? Frankly, there are many authorities that would consider it to have been the forerunner of the actions of Saddam Hussein.

[/nonsequitur]

 

[PastGrandKnight]

Well now they do worship Jesus. That is true if they are faithful Christians. The difference is that they have one Sacrament which is baptism. That is not the only difference of course but let’s get on to the point I’m trying to meke.

Now we have seven Sacraments which of course includes, and is our most worshiped or the epitome of the Sacraments, the Eucharist, the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus.

Now they don’t acknowledge this of course since they are Protestant.

But we should not hit anyone who is doing the best they know how with a sledge hammer of proselytizing. We have to be discreet and kind. We must first, and above all, love our fellow Christians and, of course, even people we know who are not Christian.

But please remember this saying that I learned as a child: “You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.”

See my point?

Ron

Ron, you suggest that non-Roman Catholics have only one sacrament, and I must respectfully disagree. Marriage is a Sacrament, too. That is, marriage between one man and one woman. Anything else is NOT a marriage, regardless of what a few misguided state politicians (and Barney Frank) might believe.

Some of the various protestant denominations also have Eucharist which, although it may not be “exactly” the same form as ours, is still considered as Holy Communion under their teaching. So the question becomes…“What is necessary for Holy Communion?” Well, among other things, the bread that is used must not have any leavening agent in it. None! Even the slightest leavening would make it different from what Jesus ate at the Last Supper. As long as they use non-leavened ‘bread’, and believe that they are partaking of the body of Christ, that is sufficient.

 

[Spirithound]

Some of the various protestant denominations also have Eucharist which, although it may not be “exactly” the same form as ours, is still considered as Holy Communion under their teaching. So the question becomes…“What is necessary for Holy Communion?” Well, among other things, the bread that is used must not have any leavening agent in it. None! Even the slightest leavening would make it different from what Jesus ate at the Last Supper. As long as they use non-leavened ‘bread’, and believe that they are partaking of the body of Christ, that is sufficient.

No, you also need a validly ordained priest to confect the Eucharist.

 

[PastGrandKnight]

Actually, you do not need a Priest to Consecrate the Host… at the Mass, if it has previously BEEN Consecrated! After all, Eucharistic Ministers are acceptable to actually serve Communion. I know because I’ve served in both Ministries as Lector and Eucharistic Minister in the Roman Catholic Church.

Now, if I could only get into Seminary in order to fulfill my calling to the Priesthood… but that’s not going to happen here in NH, sad to say.

But getting back to basics, each of the major Protestant denominations has their own system of ordaining Pirests or ministers. It is true that some of them do not always serve Communion, in which case they are having a Service instead of a Mass. Recently, I saw what looked like a Roman Catholic Mass on local cable TV, only to learn at the end that it was an Anglican Church! Talk about being shocked!!! I really could not tell the difference. Word for word, it was virtually identical to a Roman Catholic Mass.

 

[Philthy]

For example: My girlfriend attends college and she has Non-Catholic friends and sometimes when she introduces them to me and she clarifies that they are Non-Catholic they tell me
“Well, we both worship Jesus.” and I always get the urge to say “Not really, or if you only knew the truth.” or something in that way to let them know that they don’t worship Jesus the same as we do.

Am I bad for thinking or wanting to do that? I mean I’m learning about my faith and I feel sad that a lot of my friends or my girlfriend’s friends are Protestants and I want them to learn the truth about Catholicism .

It may not be wrong, but no good will come of it. Let them be drawn to your joy and your peace and let them ask the questions.

 

[Dchsknight]

Actually, you do not need a Priest to Consecrate the Host… at the Mass, if it has previously BEEN Consecrated! After all, Eucharistic Ministers are acceptable to actually serve Communion. I know because I’ve served in both Ministries as Lector and Eucharistic Minister in the Roman Catholic Church.

Now, if I could only get into Seminary in order to fulfill my calling to the Priesthood… but that’s not going to happen here in NH, sad to say.

But getting back to basics, each of the major Protestant denominations has their own system of ordaining Pirests or ministers. It is true that some of them do not always serve Communion, in which case they are having a Service instead of a Mass. Recently, I saw what looked like a Roman Catholic Mass on local cable TV, only to learn at the end that it was an Anglican Church! Talk about being shocked!!! I really could not tell the difference. Word for word, it was virtually identical to a Roman Catholic Mass.

You sir, have a lot to learn. A priest MUST do the Consecration in front of the people, it is how Jesus set up the Mass and it must be done the way Jesus said. If the Priest says anything different or he changes the words of the Consecration IN ANY WAY< other then the 3 approved ways which are straight from Scripture, then, They are not Transubstantiating, or how ever you spell it, and Most likely are of the Devil. NO WAY would i ever Go up and receive communion from a Minister, ONLY from the Priest or Deacons, NO WAY Would i even go up if he did not Consecrate it right.

Because the bible says that if you take Communion while in Sin, You are eating and drinking Condemnation upon your self. and the priest is sinning when he does not consecrate it right. He changing the words of GOD!. I will not Receive from a priest when i KNOW he is in Sin. Because then i am basically giving Consent to his sin, and According to the bible, I am tolerating sin and i am just as Guilty as he is, and if i Receive communion i am sinning! Who know you could be sinning if you receive Communion.

And no the Anglican Church is not the Same. You should read their doctrine, While close they drop parts of the bible just like Protestants do. AND if you actually knew how that church was started you would run in terror.

On a side note… do you know what we the people are supposed to do to priests when they change what God laid down? we are take them and stone them. Good thing this is the New Covenant and we are imparted Grace and we are no longer under the Law.

 

[srlucado]

It may not be wrong, but no good will come of it. Let them be drawn to your joy and your peace and let them ask the questions.

Wise words.

 

[Spirithound]

Actually, you do not need a Priest to Consecrate the Host… at the Mass, if it has previously BEEN Consecrated! After all, Eucharistic Ministers are acceptable to actually serve Communion. I know because I’ve served in both Ministries as Lector and Eucharistic Minister in the Roman Catholic Church.

Now, if I could only get into Seminary in order to fulfill my calling to the Priesthood… but that’s not going to happen here in NH, sad to say.

But getting back to basics, each of the major Protestant denominations has their own system of ordaining Pirests or ministers. It is true that some of them do not always serve Communion, in which case they are having a Service instead of a Mass. Recently, I saw what looked like a Roman Catholic Mass on local cable TV, only to learn at the end that it was an Anglican Church! Talk about being shocked!!! I really could not tell the difference. Word for word, it was virtually identical to a Roman Catholic Mass.

Not many Protestant ministers are validly ordained priests.

 

[Susan_Mary]

“Well, we both worship Jesus.” and I always get the urge to say “Not really, or if you only knew the truth.” or something in that way to let them know that they don’t worship Jesus the same as we do.

I tend to agree with you but I don’t say anything either.

I think of it like this:

If you have flour, salt, eggs and vanilla, do you have a cake? I don’t think so, everything must be combined “correctly” together to have a cake. You might end up with “cake-like” things. They might be close, but its not the same.

 

[EnchantedEve]

For example: My girlfriend attends college and she has Non-Catholic friends and sometimes when she introduces them to me and she clarifies that they are Non-Catholic they tell me
“Well, we both worship Jesus.” and I always get the urge to say “Not really, or if you only knew the truth.” or something in that way to let them know that they don’t worship Jesus the same as we do.

Am I bad for thinking or wanting to do that? I mean I’m learning about my faith and I feel sad that a lot of my friends or my girlfriend’s friends are Protestants and I want them to learn the truth about Catholicism .

I will probably get a lot of fire for this, but here I go:

Th0t, protestants are NOT Christians. They do not worship Jesus, only a figure similar in style and name but not more. The Jesus they believe did not establish one true Church, seven sacraments, the papacy, or the sacrifical priesthood. This same Jesus did not have a perpetual virgin mother, she was conceived sinfully and was not assumed into heaven. His apostles have no successors on earth, forgave no sins, and ordained no priests or deacons. This Jesus believes you are just by believing in him, says the Bible is the only rule of faith and says you need not serve his fellow man to be saved. I am not sure who this Jesus they worship is, but he does not exist and never did. Christians believe in the real Man and his doctrines, and do not follow after the equivilant of unicorns and dragons.
We spit in Our Lord’s face when we say people truly love Him who despise beliefs He died to leave us.

Church teaching reflects this:
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established. Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)

Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church? Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church? (Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

“To be Christian one must be Roman. One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth” (Pope Pius XII, Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957)

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition. Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress”(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

In the Syllabus of Modern Errors, the proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned (Pius IX, n. 18)(1).

“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Gal 1: 9).

“If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him” (2 Jo 1:10)”

All this being said, when I meet protestants, I never bring up religion unless they do. When it is brought up, I respectfully defend the faith. I meet many kind hearted protestants, and even more kind jehovah’s witnesses, but I do not truly love them as brothers unless I show them there errors when they are presented to me. Normally, when people make the comment like “we all worship Jesus,” I tend to say “at least we try to, anyway.” Sometimes this starts a conversation, but normally it is taken lightly and I just choose to focus on building my relationship until I bring out the big guns.

I have never lost a friend over religion, and most sincere protestants do want the real Jesus, and often times are still searching for Him. We should help them on their journey. In all things remember my friend, charity.

 

[PA650]

I will probably get a lot of fire for this, but here I go:

Th0t, protestants are NOT Christians. They do not worship Jesus, only a figure similar in style and name but not more. The Jesus they believe did not establish one true Church, seven sacraments, the papacy, or the sacrifical priesthood. This same Jesus did not have a perpetual virgin mother, she was conceived sinfully and was not assumed into heaven. His apostles have no successors on earth, forgave no sins, and ordained no priests or deacons. This Jesus believes you are just by believing in him, says the Bible is the only rule of faith and says you need not serve his fellow man to be saved. I am not sure who this Jesus they worship is, but he does not exist and never did. Christians believe in the real Man and his doctrines, and do not follow after the equivilant of unicorns and dragons.
We spit in Our Lord’s face when we say people truly love Him who despise beliefs He died to leave us.

Church teaching reflects this:
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established. Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)

Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church? Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church? (Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

“To be Christian one must be Roman. One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth” (Pope Pius XII, Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957)

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition. Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress”(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).

In the Syllabus of Modern Errors, the proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned (Pius IX, n. 18)(1).

“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Gal 1: 9).

“If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him” (2 Jo 1:10)”

All this being said, when I meet protestants, I never bring up religion unless they do. When it is brought up, I respectfully defend the faith. I meet many kind hearted protestants, and even more kind jehovah’s witnesses, but I do not truly love them as brothers unless I show them there errors when they are presented to me. Normally, when people make the comment like “we all worship Jesus,” I tend to say “at least we try to, anyway.” Sometimes this starts a conversation, but normally it is taken lightly and I just choose to focus on building my relationship until I bring out the big guns.

I have never lost a friend over religion, and most sincere protestants do want the real Jesus, and often times are still searching for Him. We should help them on their journey. In all things remember my friend, charity.

Insightful analysis. Although, how do members of the multitude of Orthodox churches factor into your assessment?

 

[EnchantedEve]

The Eastern schismatics are a little different, and somewhat more complicated. They hold the holy Tradition in abundance, are very reverent, and glorify God in their observances. I guess the best way I can describe the Easterns, with whom I hold the deepest respect, is as aspiring to true faith, but not yet in full posession of it. They do hold on to error and heresy, and this is where the complication enters. The best way, and this will not sound as nice as I want it to, to describe their situation is being like catechumens. They are still discerning the faith, and they dearly wish to be Christian, but they are not necessarily in the door yet. However, if it can be said that there are those who truly glorify Christ, insofar as they are able, outside the Church, these would be my best example. I believe the day is not far when we shall call them fellow Christians without reservation, and we shall rejoice on that day.

 

[PA650]

The Eastern schismatics are a little different, and somewhat more complicated. They hold the holy Tradition in abundance, are very reverent, and glorify God in their observances. I guess the best way I can describe the Easterns, with whom I hold the deepest respect, is as aspiring to true faith, but not yet in full posession of it. They do hold on to error and heresy, and this is where the complication enters. The best way, and this will not sound as nice as I want it to, to describe their situation is being like catechumens. They are still discerning the faith, and they dearly wish to be Christian, but they are not necessarily in the door yet. However, if it can be said that there are those who truly glorify Christ, insofar as they are able, outside the Church, these would be my best example. I believe the day is not far when we shall call them fellow Christians without reservation, and we shall rejoice on that day.

Thank you for your response. Yet, I’m sure the Orthodox could direct your statement to be regarding Catholics. Also, since you’re Catholic, I understand you would find such a position to be inane though.