Is it wrong to enjoy secular entertainment?

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This is something I have wondered about for some time, and something I’ve discussed with Catholics in the past, but I wanted to address it more directly. As a Roman Catholic, is it immoral to do things like listen to “modern” music that sometimes contains themes or references or coarse language that is not appropriate for a Catholic to do themselves? Can we enjoy the music for itself without being tainted by some negative things in it? Also, can we watch movies that fit into this category too (I don’t mean something that is immoral to even watch, like pornography), to enjoy the movie itself even if it has some immoral things in it? And, is it immoral to listen to music/read books/watch movies composed by non-Catholic Christians, such as modern Christian rock music? How does this apply to other things, like art, fiction, nonfiction, etc.? Thanks for the help. God bless. 🙂
 
This is something I have wondered about for some time, and something I’ve discussed with Catholics in the past, but I wanted to address it more directly. As a Roman Catholic, is it immoral to do things like listen to “modern” music that sometimes contains themes or references or coarse language that is not appropriate for a Catholic to do themselves? Can we enjoy the music for itself without being tainted by some negative things in it? Also, can we watch movies that fit into this category too (I don’t mean something that is immoral to even watch, like pornography), to enjoy the movie itself even if it has some immoral things in it? And, is it immoral to listen to music/read books/watch movies composed by non-Catholic Christians, such as modern Christian rock music? How does this apply to other things, like art, fiction, nonfiction, etc.? Thanks for the help. God bless. 🙂
Better to cultivate the being for receiving spiritual gifts. It take cultivation! Oftentimes, blessing are of little use unless one has properly cultivated their spiritual being.
 
Better to cultivate the being for receiving spiritual gifts. It take cultivation! Oftentimes, blessing are of little use unless one has properly cultivated their spiritual being.
And at least some entertainment can do just that without being overtly religious.

A war movie can teach us about courage, strength of character and emotional as well as physical fortitude. All good traits for any Christian to develop. A love story (or even a love song) can talk of selflessness, long-term commitment and staying together in spite of problems. Likewise very Christ-like attitudes.

Not to say that all or even the majority of secular entertainment is great, but it isn’t all rubbish either.
 
And at least some entertainment can do just that without being overtly religious.

A war movie can teach us about courage, strength of character and emotional as well as physical fortitude. All good traits for any Christian to develop. A love story (or even a love song) can talk of selflessness, long-term commitment and staying together in spite of problems. Likewise very Christ-like attitudes.

Not to say that all or even the majority of secular entertainment is great, but it isn’t all rubbish either.
I agree, but I’ll also say that being in touch with secular society also has the benefit of knowledge of society, learning how secular society things, and allowing for common ground to start conversations that can lead to evangelization.
 
My family and I left a tradition that forbid ALL forms of secular entertainment. No radio, no television, no sports events, etc… This was done so that we could focus on the worship of God, instead of self or some famous person. It interests me that atleast some religious orders have very similar rules as the group we left.

That aside, one of the things I love about the Catholic Church is that I can find beauty and truth in things of this world that point back to God and His Church, and be able to enjoy them. We still don’t have broadcast television in our home, but it is nice to sit down with the children and enjoy a movie with them. And the discussion afterwards.

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My family and I left a tradition that forbid ALL forms of secular entertainment. No radio, no television, no sports events, etc… This was done so that we could focus on the worship of God, instead of self or some famous person. It interests me that atleast some religious orders have very similar rules as the group we left.

That aside, one of the things I love about the Catholic Church is that I can find beauty and truth in things of this world that point back to God and His Church, and be able to enjoy them. We still don’t have broadcast television in our home, but it is nice to sit down with the children and enjoy a movie with them. And the discussion afterwards.

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If you didn’t know, when the Vatican created a list of the most remarkable films at the 100th anniversary of the invention of cinema, it made three categories: Religion, Values, and Art. Most interestingly in the “Art” category, you’ll find films that are not necessarily ensconced in Catholic approved values. For example, a film in the “Art” section is 2001: A Space Odyssey, is a weird gnostic explanation of the universe all things considered; a far and away notion of our existence compared to Christian revelation.

In essence, it is not morally reprehensible to enjoy secular entertainment. Catholics have been doing it for ages (Dante incorporated Greek myth into his Divine Comedy). What you should be cautious of, however, is art’s ability to persuade you subconsciously. For example, if Hollywood was an accurate representation of reality, every second person would be actively homosexual. The actual statistics of practicing homosexuals in the world is a far cry from what the media depicts.

As long as your know your faith, you’ll be find to enjoy a lot of art in many forms. 🙂
 
This is something I have wondered about for some time, and something I’ve discussed with Catholics in the past, but I wanted to address it more directly. As a Roman Catholic, is it immoral to do things like listen to “modern” music that sometimes contains themes or references or coarse language that is not appropriate for a Catholic to do themselves? Can we enjoy the music for itself without being tainted by some negative things in it? Also, can we watch movies that fit into this category too (I don’t mean something that is immoral to even watch, like pornography), to enjoy the movie itself even if it has some immoral things in it? And, is it immoral to listen to music/read books/watch movies composed by non-Catholic Christians, such as modern Christian rock music? How does this apply to other things, like art, fiction, nonfiction, etc.? Thanks for the help. God bless. 🙂
No it is not immoral.
 
Thank you all for your answers and advice, I greatly appreciate it. 🙂

Also, Liquid47, would you happen to have a reference to that Vatican list of movies? I would be quite interested in reading it. 👍 God bless
 
Being religious and enjoying secular entertainment is a very good thing. It shows you are open minded.

I am secular but I read the Gospels regularly, read the Graeco-Roman Myths and research Budhism.

If you stay in your field you can never question your field which I think everybody should do.
 
This is something I have wondered about for some time, and something I’ve discussed with Catholics in the past, but I wanted to address it more directly. As a Roman Catholic, is it immoral to do things like listen to “modern” music that sometimes contains themes or references or coarse language that is not appropriate for a Catholic to do themselves? Can we enjoy the music for itself without being tainted by some negative things in it? Also, can we watch movies that fit into this category too (I don’t mean something that is immoral to even watch, like pornography), to enjoy the movie itself even if it has some immoral things in it? And, is it immoral to listen to music/read books/watch movies composed by non-Catholic Christians, such as modern Christian rock music? How does this apply to other things, like art, fiction, nonfiction, etc.? Thanks for the help. God bless. 🙂
Entertainment should not require you to close your eyes or ignore the bad words or other bad parts. It should be clean and wholesome. Something the entire family can watch. The same applies to books, art and magazines.

In a sense, by constantly hearing, seeing and reading certain things, we meditate on them. Instead, we should find healthy outlets for our desire to be entertained. People go to parks, they build things like model kits and they read magazines and books that contain nonoffensive material. I read books about history.

However, things have gotten so bad regarding the media over the last 40 years that a former Catholic TV news reporter has released this book.

amazon.com/Noise-Media-saturated-Dominates-Dismantles-Families/dp/1932927948

Hope this helps,
Ed
 
@LauraMajestic: I agree that we should be open to things, although we should also keep in mind what is true independent of our own skepticism and avoid the trap of relativism.

@edwest2: While I partially agree with you, I also think that not all media is necessarily appropriate for the entire family, or that we as adults should only enjoy media that is so. For example, a movie about WWII, such as Saving Private Ryan, is not really appropriate for children, but it can be very educational and interesting for those whose mind is formed enough to handle it. In my opinion, the culpability of the form of art is more on the artist than the recipient. For the recipient, it is more about how well-formed our mind is to be able to sift the bad out and retain the good, and it is also a matter of personal preference. For example, some songs I like will have one bad word in it, but I still listen to it because I enjoy the rest of it and can ignore that word. However, some songs are so full of vulgarity or so obviously anti-Catholic, such as the music of Lady Gaga, that I don’t listen to it. But that is my preference, not a definitive standard.
 
Entertainment should not require you to close your eyes or ignore the bad words or other bad parts. It should be clean and wholesome. Something the entire family can watch. The same applies to books, art and magazines.

In a sense, by constantly hearing, seeing and reading certain things, we meditate on them. Instead, we should find healthy outlets for our desire to be entertained. People go to parks, they build things like model kits and they read magazines and books that contain nonoffensive material. I read books about history.

However, things have gotten so bad regarding the media over the last 40 years that a former Catholic TV news reporter has released this book.

amazon.com/Noise-Media-saturated-Dominates-Dismantles-Families/dp/1932927948

Hope this helps,
Ed
Dear Ed,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Heartliy concur with your remarks above and it is undeniably true that we have witnessed the rapid moral and cultural deterioration of the media since the permissive revolution of the Sixties.

Unfortunately, dear friend, much secular entertainment nowaday’s, especially film and television, is decidedly culturally unwholesome and is best given a jolly wide berth by the faithful. Inordinate and unselective viewing habits can present a serious impediment to the Catholic’s pursuit of holiness and has the potential, at least, to foster a mind that is fully imbued with the godless spirit of the age. This in turn tragically desensitizes a man to immorality and will, at length, prove to be a distracting and demoralizing influence, for as St. Paul says: “Bad company ruins good morals” (I Cor. 15: 33), and by logical extension that can equally be applied to bad film and TV programmes, bad literature and bad sensory material such as rock and pop music. We cannot escape spiritually unscathed, but it is almost universally taken for granted, even among professing Catholics, that we can absorb a certain amount of immoral entertainment without being adversely affected by it. It is tacitly assumed that if one has a sufficiently rational faith, then they will be able to sift through the good, bad and ugly material without being spiritually harmed by it, ignoring or “looking away” from the bad and ugly, whilst savouring the good. Thus we have come to the sad situation of Catholics (even among those who would identify as conservatives) who are seemingly quite at ease watching graphically dramatised murders and sequences containing salacious content. Moroever, many, especially the youth, relish the so called inane ‘nerd humour’, laughing at what is profoundly unfunny and not releazing that over time they will become desensitized to the gravity of immoral acts and ribaldry. In short, they have come to accept the normalcy of corruption.

In this whole matter of secular entertainment, dear brother, we must always remember that we are ‘aliens and exiles’ in this world and thus it behoves us to avoid becoming too engrossed in its pleasures and certainly its extra to the normal indulgences. Our single objective as Catholics is surely to obtain eternal salvation and to enjoy the beatific vision of God forever. Therefore, we must needs be constantly vigilant and ensure that we do not develop an earthbound outlook which is only circumscribed by that which is transient (II Cor. 4: 4,18). Our portion upon this earth is all too brief, so let us be jolly careful not to squander an immoderte amount of time on secular entertainment. Morever, let us avoid completely unwholesome films and television programmes containing salacious content, gratuitous violence and profanity, for such debased material will cause our spiritual sensibilities to become dulled and blunted, thus desensitizing us to the exceeding sinfulness of sin. Men should not delude themselves, debasing elements in the media or literature will leave a blot upon the conscience and a stain upon the character and as those who are earnest about confirming our calling and election, we cannot aford to let that happen. It is almost to barter away our birthright fo a mess of pottage and is an example of the “friendship of the world” condemned by St. James (Jam. 4: 4). No wonder the same Apostle exhorts the faithful to keep themselves “unstained from the world” (Jam. 1: 27) - very timely words for our own decadent age.

What is so dreadfully disturbing, dear friend, is that the modern media is awash with verbal and visual images of uncontrolled and undirected sexual activity, which undoubtedly entices people to recreational sex (frequently acts of fornication) - sex without a lawful union and with no moral vision of where carnal relations fit appropriately into human life. Moreover, the same media is saturated with malicious violence, which surely encourages a climate in which uncontrolled anger is seen as acceptable and even extolled. Now how can we reconcile all this with the Catholic call to holiness and renunciation of the prevailing godless secular culture? How can we pollute our minds with such culturally debased material (cf Phillip. 4: 8)?

God bless and thankyou for your splendid (name removed by moderator)ut.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
The Church has never advocated the position that we only view/watch/listen to Catholic-themed art produced by devout Catholics in good standing.

Is there a lot of garbage out there? Certainly. Do we need to be discerning? Of course. But not all secular entertainment needs be condemned.
 
@LauraMajestic: I agree that we should be open to things, although we should also keep in mind what is true independent of our own skepticism and avoid the trap of relativism.

@edwest2: While I partially agree with you, I also think that not all media is necessarily appropriate for the entire family, or that we as adults should only enjoy media that is so. For example, a movie about WWII, such as Saving Private Ryan, is not really appropriate for children, but it can be very educational and interesting for those whose mind is formed enough to handle it. In my opinion, the culpability of the form of art is more on the artist than the recipient. For the recipient, it is more about how well-formed our mind is to be able to sift the bad out and retain the good, and it is also a matter of personal preference. For example, some songs I like will have one bad word in it, but I still listen to it because I enjoy the rest of it and can ignore that word. However, some songs are so full of vulgarity or so obviously anti-Catholic, such as the music of Lady Gaga, that I don’t listen to it. But that is my preference, not a definitive standard.
Thank you for your polite reply. There were many war movies before Saving Private Ryan that the whole family could watch. All that was added to that movie was graphic blood and gore. In reality, those reviewing the film in Germany thought the movie was not that realistic, and the opening part on the beach was a condensed version of an 18 hour event IIRC. The recipient has the responsibility to say no. I think one bad word is one bad word too many. There were a few singers/groups I admired in the 1980s that added that one bad word. And that’s the way it always starts. Get the public used to a little bad, then add a little more until we have rap/hip-hop and Lady Gaga.

I think we all should have definitive standards. You’re right, certain things are too intense for kids but I don’t need to see graphic blood and gore to be entertained. Like I wrote earlier, the old war movies showed enough to get the point across. I also think some Catholics think it’s OK to see or hear certain things because they’re adults now. My view is that if it was a sin when you were a kid then it’s still a sin when you’re an adult.

Peace,
Ed
 
=scameter18;10082160]This is something I have wondered about for some time, and something I’ve discussed with Catholics in the past, but I wanted to address it more directly. As a Roman Catholic, is it immoral to do things like listen to “modern” music that sometimes contains themes or references or coarse language that is not appropriate for a Catholic to do themselves? Can we enjoy the music for itself without being tainted by some negative things in it? Also, can we watch movies that fit into this category too (I don’t mean something that is immoral to even watch, like pornography), to enjoy the movie itself even if it has some immoral things in it? And, is it immoral to listen to music/read books/watch movies composed by non-Catholic Christians, such as modern Christian rock music? How does this apply to other things, like art, fiction, nonfiction, etc.? Thanks for the help. God bless. 🙂
Its a WWJD thing:rolleyes:

If it is not immoral or lead you to sin; then it’s OK:)
 
The Church has never advocated the position that we only view/watch/listen to Catholic-themed art produced by devout Catholics in good standing.

Is there a lot of garbage out there? Certainly. Do we need to be discerning? Of course. But not all secular entertainment needs be condemned.
But that’s not the subject, Joe. I am joking when I write that I’ve been considering writing a book titled, Who’s Dead and Who’s Not. I would rather err on the side of caution. Catholics and non-Catholics also, need to understand how things have changed. What was rated R 10 years ago is now, what, PG-13? In fact, PG-13 did not even exist until recently. Hollywood had been pushing immorality and graphic blood and gore waaaay too much. With little sign of slowing down. I’m waiting for the TV show about the lovable and normal family of cannibals that live next door. They’re just like everybody else, except for what’s on their dinner plates. Who would’ve thought that a TV show about a Police crime lab tech whose hobby is kidnapping and slicing people apart as a hobby would be on TV today? Hmm?

I would never be quick to come to the defense of 99% of what Hollywood produces.

Peace,
Ed
 
Dear Ed,

In this whole matter of secular entertainment, dear brother, we must always remember that we are ‘aliens and exiles’ in this world and thus it behoves us to avoid becoming too engrossed in its pleasures and certainly its extra to the normal indulgences. Our portion upon this earth is all too brief, so let us be jolly careful not to squander an immoderte amount of time on secular entertainment.

God bless and thankyou.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
Dear Portrait,

Thank you so much for your clarity and charity. These are things I sorely miss since they were both far more common before the end of the 1960s. Children were taught good manners and good habits, were taught a level of responsibility according to their age and, of course, were taught what was right from what was wrong. I cannot help but become angry at those who felt it their duty or right to spend millions of dollars to create the original opium dens of the 1970s - Adult Bookstores. The Christians who protested were called religious nuts, we were told that their “freedom of expression” was protected by the First Amendment, and they had lawyers to defend them in court. Of course, such “dirty places” were still regarded that way for a time until the regular media gradually began to catch up with them, followed by the internet in the 1990s. They certainly knew it would produce porn addicts, sex addicts and those whose view of sexual activity would become relative and not based on any standard.

Our fallen nature was given freer and freer access to the ongoing assault on the dignity of the human person, on the family and what it meant to lead a happy, though not good, life. As Pope Benedict has told us recently, we should renounce culture that disguises falsehood as truth.

ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-renounce-culture-that-disguises-falsehood-as-truth

We have not lost our moorings - not all of us. I say this as one who God, by His grace, has given a little knowledge. The faithful have done a few things to deal with this outrage: remove it from their lives completely, or only use it to a very small degree. I sometimes watch the occasional TV show, but those who know me understand my sensitivities. I only listen to Catholic radio in my car.

I recently revisited a few things I thought were OK from the 1980s and saw that I was right. I can’t allow them back in my life because they were wrong. Strange that, in the mid-1980s, it was about half and half. Some things did not offend but the other half did. Today, as far as secular entertainment, I would say it’s about 98% bad. And what does the word entertainment mean today? I believe that all entertainment should be suitable for the entire family, and that was the motto of the secular media for a long time. But this would be pre-1970 media.

In Vigilanti Curia (1936), the Church had attempted friendly cooperation with Hollywood for the same concerns you, I and other Catholics have today.

An excerpt:

"It is promised in this agreement that no film which lowers the moral standard of the spectators, which casts discredit upon natural or human law or arouses sympathy for their violation, will be produced.

"Promises not carried out

"Nevertheless, in spite of this wise and spontaneously taken decision, those responsible showed themselves incapable of carrying it into effect and it appeared that the producers and the operators were not disposed to stand by the principles to which they had bound themselves. Since, therefore, the above-mentioned undertaking proved to have but slight effect and since the parade of vice and crime continued on the screen, the road seemed almost closed to those who sought honest diversion in the motion picture.

"In this crisis, you, Venerable Brethren, were among the first to study the means of safeguarding the souls entrusted to your care, and you launched the “Legion of Decency” as a crusade for public morality designed to revitalize the ideals of natural and Christian rectitude. Far from you was the thought of doing damage to the motion picture industry: rather indeed did you arm it beforehand against the ruin which menaces every form of recreation which, in the guise of art, degenerates into corruption.

"The “Legion of Decency” Pledge

“Your leadership called forth the prompt and devoted loyalty of your faithful people, and millions of American Catholics signed the pledge of the “Legion of Decency” binding themselves not to attend any motion picture which was offensive to Catholic moral principles or proper standards of living. We are thus able to proclaim joyfully that few problems of these latter times have so closely united Bishops and people as the one resolved by cooperation in this holy crusade. Not only Catholics but also high-minded Protestants, Jews, and many others accepted your lead and joined their efforts with yours in restoring wise standards, both artistic and moral, to the cinema.”

My dear brother in Christ, the Church follows Christ’s example. It speaks directly, carefully and with gentleness. It does not force. But through subtle and not so subtle means, those who deceive or are deceived, need to have the truth spoken to them. The lies are spread daily anew. New words and phrases are given to us to dull our understanding or make something appear neutral or OK. I was shocked to see the words “violence porn” in a movie review. The meaning being that the movie had so much excessive violence that no one could say otherwise, and that those who liked it were into “violence porn.” The mystery is adding the word porn. I was shocked to see that word associated today with those who like a particular historical subject.

We must not remain silent. And I thank you for your well-chosen words. They encourage me very much.

Thank you again, and God Bless,

Ed
 
The Church has never advocated the position that we only view/watch/listen to Catholic-themed art produced by devout Catholics in good standing.

Is there a lot of garbage out there? Certainly. Do we need to be discerning? Of course. But not all secular entertainment needs be condemned.
I totally agree with you.
 
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