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Something to consider about safety!

New Jersey four year-old shoots playmate in apparent accident

articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-09/news/sns-rt-us-usa-guns-childbre93901b-20130409_1_4-year-old-shot-boy-shot-apparent-accident
Something for you to consider about your safety.
According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year – one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds.
Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone “almost certainly” would have died had the gun not been used for protection – a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. (In another 14.2% cases, the defender believed someone “probably” would have died if the gun hadn’t been used in defense.)
In 83.5% of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first – disproving the myth that having a gun available for defense wouldn’t make any difference.
]n 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker (and the gun defense wouldn’t be called “newsworthy” by newspaper or TV news editors). In 64.2% of these gun-defense cases, the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to.
In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. (Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare – well under 10%.) This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.
 
Reading your prior post with some suggested laws, I think you’ve put more thought into effectiveness of laws with respect to specific issues than most lawmakers.
Probably. But that’s why I’m not a politician! I’m also not interested in “doing something” for the sake of doing something. I’m interested in policy that actually works. Requiring some kind of training for the use of a deadly weapon is not a restriction of rights. It’s common freaking sense. We don’t let people drive cars on the Interstate without them proving they can do that safely. Why not the same with a gun?

I get very nervous about there being a searchable database of people based on whether they own guns or not. But then I remember that identification is absolutely essential in this day and age. If you want to travel anywhere or engage in various forms of commerce, you need one. And in a time where identity theft is running rampant, this is not a bad thing.

So yeah, mandate some kind of test for first-time gun buyers. Then let them load up on whatever they want. But like the 16-year-old who gets a sports car just after getting his license, if you’re irresponsible, you’ll pay the price.

And Kelfa28, I know this is off topic, but you are quite wrong. Gold has indeed increased in value over the years. It’s also fallen well off its highs. It is a commodity. It is not a currency. Folks first flocked to gold as a safe haven, then as an inflation hedge… then as an investment betting that the speculation would drive it higher. Hedge funds are pulling out big time and it’s only a matter of time before retail investors do as well. Gold will always have some kind of base value. Like oil, or wheat, or corn, or concentrated orange juice, it has an intrinsic value because it is a commodity. It can be used in electronic manufacturing processes and it is wanted as jewelry.

Honestly I think gold is more buoyed by an emerging India than it is by people scared that the world is falling apart. Gold is extremely socially important in India and as that country gets wealthier it’s demand for gold will increase.

What happened in Cyprus or Greece cannot and will not ever happen here. Ever. We own our own currency.

Inflation could happen but we’ve had the biggest easing program in history in place and inflation is mute. Mostly because lending is only now slowly recovering. The liquidity the Fed is pumping out is not being compounded at nearly the same speed by financial institutions.

Plus, if we are screwed, then the world is screwed. The U.S. is the largest economy in the world by far and our dependency on China for credit is only matched by their dependency on us for consumption. If the US starts to sink, the world will sink. And then you’ll get deflation, not inflation. It’s what happened in 2008/09. Commodities crashed as the global economy ground to a halt.

Given that consumers will be spending the next decade or so completely healing their balance sheets, a situation where runaway inflation takes place is almost impossible. And even if it did, who is to say that gold would be the best place to put it? Why not oil? Why not another scarce commodity?

Gold is an investment. It is not an alternate currency. Alternate currencies are not real. Bitcoin, for instance, is not an alternate currency. It is a gambling vehicle.

Gold is also a terrible place to put your money right now compared to equities. Now if you’re favoring it over T-bills, well then I can’t blame you.
 
We have a huge difference of opinion on Gold…I would never tell someone their attempts at preserving their money is “idiotic” because that is insulting.

I completely disagree with you. But that is fine.

You say that the Gold market is being propped up by the Indian market and I say that the price of gold is actually being depressed by Central Banks manipulation of the gold market to make their fiat currencies look attractive.
Gold is a currency. It is recognized by our constitution as a currency. Some states have tried to pass laws making it a currency.
Other countries consider it a currency.
The truth is it is both a commodity and a currency.

America doesn’t have the largest economy “BY FAR”, if anything the Petro-dollar is the biggest ponzi scheme in the world
The European Union economy is the largest economy in the world. It has a single currency so it could be considered a single economy. China is set to surpass the American economy in 2017…only 4 years away. India, Russia and Brazil also have huge economies that are up and coming.

Fiat currencies always default to zero and the dollar has lost over 90% of it’s value since the FED was created in 1913.

It would be silly to think that oil or other commodities are as portable as Gold is. Can a person store a ziplock back of gas in their safe?

Cyber attacks or an EMP could destroy access to online banking…it happens all the time during disasters like Hurricane Katrina and Sandy…people don’t have access to their accounts for months.

Anything could happen. I don’t say that nothing could happen or it could never happen. Cypress did happen.
People said that Rome would never collapse but it definitely did. We are not immune to financial devastation.

I’m finished debating this…I will never agree with your arguments about gold and the only reason why I responded was because of your wording that it is “idiotic” to put my trust in gold.
That is insulting.

For more information on the central bank manipulation of the gold market see gata.org
 
Something to consider about safety!

New Jersey four year-old shoots playmate in apparent accident

articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-04-09/news/sns-rt-us-usa-guns-childbre93901b-20130409_1_4-year-old-shot-boy-shot-apparent-accident
Yes, but when it comes to four-year-olds, foods are dangerous, too. nytimes.com/2010/05/25/health/25choke.html?_r=0

I think what people fail to realize is that guns pose a risk in children that parents too easily believe are “old enough to know better.” While the rate of choking deaths fall greatly after age five, children and adolescents should never be left with unsupervised access to a gun.
 
Again, I know it’s off topic but there is absolutely no reason to look at gold as an “alternate currency” because it simply is not. Fiat currency has always been around. Gold only has a value because we all agree it has value. Scarcity is not really an issue. Gold’s utility is not nearly as important as say, oil’s utility.

You can’t use gold if there’s no infrastructure. Why would we go back to trading in it if every economy imploded (which is not going to happen by the way)? Why wouldn’t we just invent something else that we all agree has value?

The main criticism of fiat currency is that it’s not real. Well neither is gold. Neither is anything that lacks utility really. Why are diamonds valuable? It’s just compressed carbon. Why is that important? Scarcity you might say, but diamonds’ scarcity is artificially created and gold’s scarcity is not absolute either. While one can print more money, one could also stumble upon a new gold vein. It’s happened plenty of times.

The truth of the matter is that currencies backed by gold were more volatile than fiat currencies. Those currencies also kept us stuck in the mud during recessionary periods. Deflation is a wicked, wicked thing. It’s far worse than inflation. Inflation you can combat by cutting the money supply. Deflation is a self-perpetuating cycle of economic hell.

If the dollar held its value over the last century, our economy would be the exact same size as it was back then. Inflation is absolutely necessary for a growing economy. I’m not necessarily a fan of everything central banks do. But what they did do during the latest financial crisis, which was caused by nothing related to currencies, was prevent a worldwide catastrophe of proportions like we’ve never seen. It would have been as bad or worse than the depression. That’s simply a fact.

I do this sort of thing for a living so I feel fairly confident that I have the facts on my side. Suffice to say that if I was a believer in worldwide apocalypse, I’d abandon all pretense that any commodity that lacked utility would retain its value. I’d hoard weapons, food, fuel, land, shelter/property, modes of transportation and modes of manufacturing.

Gold would be without value in a world where economies are nonexistent and governments are powerless. There would be no reason whatsoever for us to agree that gold had any kind of value anymore. The only things that would be valuable would be those things that could facilitate survival.

Coinage was created as a way to facilitate trade. Coinage was not put into economic play because everybody thought gold was important. It was to make trade easier and establish which goods were more or less valuable than others. Gold was simply an easy way to mint coins because it is a soft metal. It holds its shape but can also be manipulated. It’s an ideal medium for coinage. What made gold important in the Roman world or Greek world was not the gold itself. It was the mark on it. Sounds a lot like fiat currency to me.
 
Again, I know it’s off topic but there is absolutely no reason to look at gold as an “alternate currency” because it simply is not. Fiat currency has always been around. Gold only has a value because we all agree it has value. Scarcity is not really an issue. Gold’s utility is not nearly as important as say, oil’s utility.

You can’t use gold if there’s no infrastructure. Why would we go back to trading in it if every economy imploded (which is not going to happen by the way)? Why wouldn’t we just invent something else that we all agree has value?

The main criticism of fiat currency is that it’s not real. Well neither is gold. Neither is anything that lacks utility really. Why are diamonds valuable? It’s just compressed carbon. Why is that important? Scarcity you might say, but diamonds’ scarcity is artificially created and gold’s scarcity is not absolute either. While one can print more money, one could also stumble upon a new gold vein. It’s happened plenty of times.

The truth of the matter is that currencies backed by gold were more volatile than fiat currencies. Those currencies also kept us stuck in the mud during recessionary periods. Deflation is a wicked, wicked thing. It’s far worse than inflation. Inflation you can combat by cutting the money supply. Deflation is a self-perpetuating cycle of economic hell.

If the dollar held its value over the last century, our economy would be the exact same size as it was back then. Inflation is absolutely necessary for a growing economy. I’m not necessarily a fan of everything central banks do. But what they did do during the latest financial crisis, which was caused by nothing related to currencies, was prevent a worldwide catastrophe of proportions like we’ve never seen. It would have been as bad or worse than the depression. That’s simply a fact.

I do this sort of thing for a living so I feel fairly confident that I have the facts on my side. Suffice to say that if I was a believer in worldwide apocalypse, I’d abandon all pretense that any commodity that lacked utility would retain its value. I’d hoard weapons, food, fuel, land, shelter/property, modes of transportation and modes of manufacturing.

Gold would be without value in a world where economies are nonexistent and governments are powerless. There would be no reason whatsoever for us to agree that gold had any kind of value anymore. The only things that would be valuable would be those things that could facilitate survival.

Coinage was created as a way to facilitate trade. Coinage was not put into economic play because everybody thought gold was important. It was to make trade easier and establish which goods were more or less valuable than others. Gold was simply an easy way to mint coins because it is a soft metal. It holds its shape but can also be manipulated. It’s an ideal medium for coinage. What made gold important in the Roman world or Greek world was not the gold itself. It was the mark on it. Sounds a lot like fiat currency to me.
Oh, boy, are you wrong. Gold has uses as a metal that go beyond its ever-popular beauty, but that beauty has always been popular, particularly with women, which means that it always has been and always will be useful as a way to gain a female’s attention and to enhance a female’s beauty. Men throughout the ages have also used it to look more impressive and desirable! Gold, my friend, is one of the royal roads to getting certain physical needs met, and this would be even more true in a world of chaos and immorality. That is what gains it a place on the ground floor of Maslow’s hierarchy, not the impression of Caesar’s face in it! Gold has a beauty that won’t rot or corrode, it is very ductile, and as metals go it is relatively easy to work. There is nothing like it for fashioning jewelry. If gold has ever been without value, either the conditions have been very vicious or else gold’s weight and the problem of how to move sufficient quantities of it has been a drawback to those who want to accumulate it. Men have drowned trying to swim without letting go of their gold, and that is not likely to change.

In the technical world, however, gold’s physical properties also make it very valuable: it is extremely ductile and malleable, very resistant to corrosion, and a very good conductor of electricity. Even if big beautiful diamonds lose their value, gold will have its uses, and because of its rarity, it will have a certain value. Unlike food or fuel, gold is not consumed by being used, either. That is huge, because people like to accumulate wealth that is not consumed by being used. Gold fits that bill.
 
Checklist: 1-get a gun 2-have a panic room 3-get chipped 4-have a dungeon well-stocked with food in case there was a nuclear war 5-build an altar to worship the second amendment 6-keep myself well-informed of e-v-e-r-y sordid crime so I can feed my fear and paranoia and think:“This checklist is the best idea I’ve ever had”. I’d also like to have a cyanide pill on me 24/7 in case someone tries to bury me alive or wants to sacrifice me on a sacrificial pyre dedicated to Satan, those things are not uncommon, y’know.
 
Something for you to consider about your safety.
Most likely unless the parent of this child are simply hunters, had a gun for this reason. I am sure that neither you or i, want to be in the shoes of the parent of this child that grieves deeply.

Safety, that i was referring was for the one that own a gun TO MAKE SURE, that no child can ever have access to it.

Blessings
 
Yes, but when it comes to four-year-olds, foods are dangerous, too. nytimes.com/2010/05/25/health/25choke.html?_r=0

I think what people fail to realize is that guns pose a risk in children that parents too easily believe are “old enough to know better.” While the rate of choking deaths fall greatly after age five, children and adolescents should never be left with unsupervised access to a gun.
Since you agree that everything is dangerous for that age of children then i am sure you agree for the one that own a gun to be SUPER precautions to make sure no child has access to it. It was the safety that i was mentioning about. I certainly wouldn’t be able to forgive myself if i would own a gun and such a tragedy would occur, i am sure that many of you are good people with good intention and you value our children.

Blessings
 
No one is suggesting that people who seem to be at risk for suicide should be left alone with guns or ropes or piles of Valium. No one is even suggesting that gun owners do not bear the responsibility for keeping their guns secured at all times from those without permission to use them. The question is whether it is immoral to even own a gun or keep one where it can be accessed quickly because the risk of someone stealing such a gun for a suicide is so high. While it is fine to decide you don’t want to take that chance, that is not a foregone moral conclusion.
Glad you agree, it was my point that i was trying to say. That if someone is at risk, on top of doing the necessary steps, we should remove as recommended the article anything that can lead to this tragedy. If someone own a gun, he should at the very least be the only one having access to a key where his gun is lock.

Blessings!
 
You opinion is basically “Everyone else is wrong and I am the only right person because I care about children”. It appears you seem to think that anyone that has a differing opinion can’t.
There is a say that when we judge we see in others what is in us. No offense but you seem to be the one upset with me. I respect your view.

Blessings!
 
No one is suggesting that people who seem to be at risk for suicide should be left alone with guns or ropes or piles of Valium. No one is even suggesting that gun owners do not bear the responsibility for keeping their guns secured at all times from those without permission to use them. The question is whether it is immoral to even own a gun or keep one where it can be accessed quickly because the risk of someone stealing such a gun for a suicide is so high. While it is fine to decide you don’t want to take that chance, that is not a foregone moral conclusion.
Not that I disagree with you about accessibility but I don’t connecting this to suicide is doing you any favors. It doesn’t address the more obvious fact that a person bent on killing themselves will likely go for anything that will do the job. Heck your car keys would be easier to steal than a gun and a razor that just wasn’t were you left it one day is not exactly gonna be missed.
In the technical world, however, gold’s physical properties also make it very valuable: it is extremely ductile and malleable, very resistant to corrosion, and a very good conductor of electricity. Even if big beautiful diamonds lose their value, gold will have its uses, and because of its rarity, it will have a certain value. Unlike food or fuel, gold is not consumed by being used, either. That is huge, because people like to accumulate wealth that is not consumed by being used. Gold fits that bill.
It may be resistant to corrosion but utilizing gold (or any metal for that matter) beyond the primitive (and therefore justifying its value) will take a long time.

I for one have not a single clue on what I’d do with gold in a primitive world unless you can, I don’t know, show me how it can make good bullets? Swords? Anything I can use to defend, hunt, or even just farm with!? (Don’t tell me to build as I’d kind of be a wandering type in a world like that too. :p)
 
Gold is rare and cannot be manufactured from other metals. It is very dense and therefore easy to transport. And it is durable; does not burn or corrode or rot. Because of those four properties, it is considered to be a useful medium of exchange and a storehouse of value. It is easier to exchange gold coins for other goods than to use cabbages or tree sap or clay pots.

With respect to guns … they are compact and easy to use and make a 100 pound woman the equal of a 250 pound home intruder.

Crime is a more frequently occurring event than the media would like us to perceive. And for some reason, home invasions seem to becoming more frequent. If you want to protect your family, a baseball bat is not going to do the job in a confined space like a house or apartment.

We were at an inner city supermarket and the security guard was PACKING … open carry.
We felt more secure there than at a place with a sign “no guns here”.
 
Most likely unless the parent of this child are simply hunters, had a gun for this reason. I am sure that neither you or i, want to be in the shoes of the parent of this child that grieves deeply.

Safety, that i was referring was for the one that own a gun TO MAKE SURE, that no child can ever have access to it.

Blessings
You just refuse to get it. If a family member dies because a gun is in the home or if a family member dies because there is no gun there to protect them, the result is the same. I have control of a gun in my home. I do not have control of an intruder intent on doing harm.
You fail to answer why the Pope feels the necessity of retaining the highly armed Swiss Guard as His first line of defense if prayer and prudence works as well for Him as it does for you.
 
You just refuse to get it. If a family member dies because a gun is in the home or if a family member dies because there is no gun there to protect them, the result is the same. I have control of a gun in my home. I do not have control of an intruder intent on doing harm.
You fail to answer why the Pope feels the necessity of retaining the highly armed Swiss Guard as His first line of defense if prayer and prudence works as well for Him as it does for you.
This is a different topic, i am talking about extra safety with gun or anything that can cause harm to a child nothing more. Perhaps, that you are the one that don’t get it, i am not arguing with your choice to have a gun. I respect this.

Blessing!
 
Not that I disagree with you about accessibility but I don’t connecting this to suicide is doing you any favors. It doesn’t address the more obvious fact that a person bent on killing themselves will likely go for anything that will do the job. Heck your car keys would be easier to steal than a gun and a razor that just wasn’t were you left it one day is not exactly gonna be missed.
The connection to suicide is one of the major reasons that public health experts want people to secure the guns that they decide to own. Please remember that what you think would be true if you wanted to kill yourself is not actually the most statistically likely situation for all people who have suicidal thoughts. Those who are trying to prevent suicides have done research into the factors that make suicide more likely, because they want to target actual causes, not what they imagine actual causes to be.

So, the research has been done, and your very reasonable premise that a person with suicidal thoughts is no more or less likely to try to commit suicide if they are left alone with plastic bags or razors or car keys instead of a gun is simply not true. People with access to guns are more likely to commit suicide than people who don’t have access to guns. The public health people could measure this; it isn’t something we have to guess about.
It may be resistant to corrosion but utilizing gold (or any metal for that matter) beyond the primitive (and therefore justifying its value) will take a long time.

I for one have not a single clue on what I’d do with gold in a primitive world unless you can, I don’t know, show me how it can make good bullets? Swords? Anything I can use to defend, hunt, or even just farm with!? (Don’t tell me to build as I’d kind of be a wandering type in a world like that too. :p)
No, it won’t take a long time. Gold is very easy to work, compared to other metals, and people will want it to make jewelry, decoration and for sacred objects–its most historically important uses–as soon as existence goes beyond hand-to-mouth for even a very few people. Really–how long after the world ends will it be before you’re going to want to find a priest with a chalice? A wedding ring for a bride?

It was that way for thousands of years before anyone ever made a coin. That is the thing to remember: if even a very few who care about wealth and the trappings of wealth manage to get beyond a hand-to-mouth existence, gold will be wanted. If people who care about sacred ritual get beyond a hand-to-mouth existence, gold will be wanted. Do not worry that the world will forget what gold is or what it is for. That won’t happen.
 
The connection to suicide is one of the major reasons that public health experts want people to secure the guns that they decide to own. Please remember that what you think would be true if you wanted to kill yourself is not actually the most statistically likely situation for all people who have suicidal thoughts. Those who are trying to prevent suicides have done research into the factors that make suicide more likely, because they want to target actual causes, not what they imagine actual causes to be.

So, the research has been done, and your very reasonable premise that a person with suicidal thoughts is no more or less likely to try to commit suicide if they are left alone with plastic bags or razors or car keys instead of a gun is simply not true. People with access to guns are more likely to commit suicide than people who don’t have access to guns. The public health people could measure this; it isn’t something we have to guess about.

You’re right in that we don’t have to guess. Suicide rates in some countries with strict gun control have rates at a par with or far higher than the US. See Germany, Japan, France, Norway,Ireland. So the data doesn’t support the idea that suicide is related to the availability of firearms. It is related to culture. A lot of good papers on this.

It does not diminish however, the responsibility to minimize the availability of weapons to those at risk. It does illustrate however, that if a person is intent on suicide, they will find the means. There was a streak of suicides at my campus involving folks jumping off a building, the administration ended up putting up barriers vice simply stating that if they didn’t kill themselves there they’d just do it somewhere else.

No, it won’t take a long time. Gold is very easy to work, compared to other metals, and people will want it to make jewelry, decoration and for sacred objects–its most historically important uses–as soon as existence goes beyond hand-to-mouth for even a very few people. Really–how long after the world ends will it be before you’re going to want to find a priest with a chalice? A wedding ring for a bride?

It was that way for thousands of years before anyone ever made a coin. That is the thing to remember: if even a very few who care about wealth and the trappings of wealth manage to get beyond a hand-to-mouth existence, gold will be wanted. If people who care about sacred ritual get beyond a hand-to-mouth existence, gold will be wanted. Do not worry that the world will forget what gold is or what it is for. That won’t happen.

However, those who have weapons can get the gold from those who don’t.
 
You’re right in that we don’t have to guess. Suicide rates in some countries with strict gun control have rates at a par with or far higher than the US. See Germany, Japan, France, Norway,Ireland. So the data doesn’t support the idea that suicide is related to the availability of firearms. It is related to culture. A lot of good papers on this.

It does not diminish however, the responsibility to minimize the availability of weapons to those at risk. It does illustrate however, that if a person is intent on suicide, they will find the means. There was a streak of suicides at my campus involving folks jumping off a building, the administration ended up putting up barriers vice simply stating that if they didn’t kill themselves there they’d just do it somewhere else.
Not so fast. You’re comparing different cultures and their suicide rates, and that leaves a lot of variables open.

The cultures compared by the Harvard Study were all American: the rate of successful suicide attempt is higher in areas where gun ownership is higher. Wondering if this meant perhaps that people in rural areas are both more likely to own guns and more likely to commit suicide, but without a direct causal ratio, this was investigated. It would seem that mere gun ownership is the strongest link, not other situational factors. People in rural areas are not more prone to depression or suicidal thoughts. The rates of depression, substance use problems, and suicidal thoughts are not substantially different in homes with and without guns, but the rate of suicide is higher in the homes with guns.

In order to conclude that “if a person is intent on suicide, they will find the means”, you have to measure whether those who have suicidal thoughts who don’t kill themselves have differences in setting to those who have suicidal thoughts and DO kill themselves. When it is possible to control for other variables, having a gun in the home is an added risk factor.

Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002)
Gun Density High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052

Using these data as an example, yes, when there are fewer guns, there are more per-capita non-firearm suicides. People with a will do sometimes find a way. Still, the number who find a way are by no means the majority, because the difference in total suicides is substantial. Sometimes, when you want to commit suicide but you don’t happen to have a gun around, you don’t get up the gumption to go find a tall building. You let the impulse pass, and you live.

I also believe that it is a good idea to put a fence up whenever an area becomes a “popular” place to commit suicide. People aren’t at their most creative or their most persistent when they’re depressed, after all. If the first way someone can think of to commit suicide isn’t available, sometimes the person just gives up the idea. The more no-brainer ways to commit suicide that can be eliminated, then, the better.

This is one reason I think it a good idea to publicize that attempting suicide, no matter how you try to do it, leaves you at risk of harming yourself permanently without killing yourself. I know a doctor, for instance, who sees different behavior in patients when he reminds them that their bad diet may not kill them young, but might leave them unable to move half of their body for the last ten years of their lives. There are things people fear more than death itself, and permanent disability can be one of them.

A depressed person who believes themselves the kind of worthless person who botches everything might not consider suicide if he or she is confronted with the knowledge that even a suicide can be botched, and that an attempted suicide can leave a person far worse off than before. Suicide is something people treat as a way to get out of their troubles, so realizing that attempting suicide is far from a no-lose proposition, even when a gun is used, is worth impressing upon people. It could activate a pessimism that could save them from death or serious and long-term self-harm.
However, those who have weapons can get the gold from those who don’t.
If you’re going to stockpile guns and ammo, though, you may as well stockpile gold, too. Since you’ll be capable of defending concentrated durable wealth in the form of gold, there is every reason to believe you’d find a use for it.
 
The connection to suicide is one of the major reasons that public health experts want people to secure the guns that they decide to own.
Let’s not misinterpret the experts now. We are arguing the means here, not the cause. I don’t see how your research makes suicide more likely other than a correlation (which you know isn’t something you want to stand on). I may not have stats but I’ve seen enough drama and horror flicks to know that there are a lot of ways crazy people would end themselves.
No, it won’t take a long time. Gold is very easy to work, compared to other metals, and people will want it to make jewelry, decoration and for sacred objects–its most historically important uses–as soon as existence goes beyond hand-to-mouth for even a very few people. Really–how long after the world ends will it be before you’re going to want to find a priest with a chalice? A wedding ring for a bride?
A very long time if you ask me. I’d sooner want to know how the world’s gone to Hades, what I can do to survive, and, if we’re talking sentimental value (which you seem to appeal to), how I can use what’s left to have some fun surviving.

Remember, it’s us you’re talking about, not ancient peoples who didn’t question religious notions and thought the earth was on the back of a giant turtle. 😉
 
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