Is it wrong to get into guns?

[shipwrkd]

I have seen a house that burned but the room that contain a crucifix were untouched and also the room that had a blessed palm were also untouched.

Anyway, we can reason from a human perspective and being limited or open up ourselves to the infinite protection of God with our faith. St-John was plunged into boiling oil and came out intact. It wasn’t his time and he was protected by God. If he wouldn’t have the faith in him, perhaps, it would have been a different story. **So this is why, i trust that someone knows their limitation and will do what is best for their family, but i certainly would pray first. **

All the best!

A prudent person in a burning room, given the choice of a crucifix or a fire extinguisher should surely choose the extinguisher. And I’m sure Pope Francis prays, as did the pontiffs before Him, but they all retain the services of the highly armed Swiss Guard.

 

[Chantal25]

A prudent person in a burning room, given the choice of a crucifix or a fire extinguisher should surely choose the extinguisher. And I’m sure Pope Francis prays, as did the pontiffs before Him, but they all retain the services of the highly armed Swiss Guard.

I am sure you got my point. The invention of a fire extinguisher is surely a great divine inspiration and without question, you use this when it is at hand. But you must admit that this fire extinguisher would had never succeed to put off the fire during the attempt bombing of the tilma. The supernatural win here.

My point there are many ways of protection humanly and many spiritually.

Humanly, you have the extreme Gun and other ways (locking your door, avoiding to walk at night in dangerous place, having a dog, etc…).

Spiritually, prayer, sacred object, faith etc…

If i would live in a dangerous place, again, i would seek to move but if i wouldn’t be able to, i would try to gather a group of people and start a rosary prayer with them.

In the 70’s in Portugal, the communist try to take over again. Group of people gather in secret and it was dismantle in less then one year.

fatima.org/essentials/facts/portrose.asp

In Medjugorje, where the rosary is prayed intensely, was spared during the war.

So you cannot denial the power of prayer.

Many times, it isn’t a necessity to own a gun and people do so because they think they are cool or go into fear versus reason.

Where i live it is forbidden to have a gun in your car. If you are a hunter, there are rule and regulation. I am guessing that they need to be in their trunk during transportation.

This is a complex topic and many situation are different. At time, it might be a necessity to have a gun, but again, i find it is unnecessary for most time.

I know without a doubt that the power of God is far greater then all the weapon on earth.

A Catholic nun during the atomic bombing in Japan survived. Including Monk that practice the prayer from Fatima daily.

All the best!

 

[habu16]

I’ve had a lifetime of never owning a gun, and recently I’m getting into guns. I’ve watched videos on safety, doing research on what kind to get, proper handling, etc. I’m soon going to buy two guns - one for each of me and my wife. I do plan on getting more training and practice time in. I met a new friend who owns guns and he allowed me to try out some of his weapons (reimbursing him for ammo) - and it was fun to shoot the 22LR’s but the higher ones were too powerful for me to handle (so I’m looking for a 22LR at this point, maybe later on graduating to a 9mm)

Currently I’m living in a relatively safe neighborhood, but there are some people in the apartment building who have done things like stealing bikes, and other minor crimes.

I’m not a violent person, but when I tell my non-gun-owner family and friends about this, they’re acting like I’m going to buy a nuclear bomb or doing something bad. I got the sense that they think I’m some violent guy because I will own guns.

My prime motivation is to protect my family at home. Concealed Carry is illegal in Illinois but that may change. I do not think I will concealed carry, and not sure about my wife, but we are open to it. I am not a violent guy, I don’t go out and get into fistfights or other scuffles like that.

So, my question is: Is it wrong to get into guns? Am I some violent guy who is horrible?

Not at all! I am an avid history buff and have a somewhat sizeable weapons collection that continues to grow.

I do not collect for sport or for personal protection–I collect weapons for their historical value and because I think they are very cool. Up until a couple years ago, I only collected edged weapons: swords, daggers, knives, and a few bayonets. In 2011, I purchased two WWII rifles, one a Czechoslovakian Mauser, and one a Mosin-Nagant. I’ve got several other firearms picked out to purchase in the next year or two, along with several other weapons.

Currently the majority of my edged weapons collection is at my folks’ house, since I created a big display of them in their attic about a decade ago. I’ve now got a few of the more interesting swords and knives with me right now, but I’d say my parents have about 85% of my collection. My two rifles are partially disassembled in my closet and are completely inoperable as a self defense weapon, unless I want to use them as clubs. I used to go out to the range and shoot them once a month or so, but over the last year, I’ve only been out there twice.

I see there being nothing wrong with owning firearms (or other weapons), as long as you do not own them for immoral reasons. By that, I mean owning them for the express purpose of harming or killing someone who is no threat to you. If you’re in a gang and have a gun to rob/kill people with, yeah, that’s immoral. If you have a gun for self defense, hunting, sport, or just for a collection, then I see absolutely no problem with that.

I personally have zero interest in any post-WWII firearms, but I see no problem with someone owning a legal firearm such as an AR-15, and see no moral conflict with doing so, as long as you don’t own them for an immoral reason as I cited above.

 

[SamH]

Guns are great for hunting…great for sport and great for knowing that you at least have more than even chance to protect yourself and your family if need be…I do own guns…unfortunately they have become a means to an end solution in this country…one of my daughters wants to buy herself an AR-15 assault rifle…her reasoning is that if more than one person breaks into her home she has a better chance of killing them first…and she isn’t the only one who thinks like that…look at the number of assault weapons that were sold after the children were massacred at Sandy Hook school…instead of being horrified at the slaughter of innocents…we run out and buy the very same type of weapon used to massacre them…and many of the buyers were women…mothers no doubt…now we’re arming teachers in schools…allowing college students to carry concealed weapons…people walking the streets with concealed weapons…if you want to try to quote Jesus infering that he was somehow in favor of weapons of that era…swords etc…then maybe you also wants to read where he said that those who live by the sword will die by the sword…also when he returns he is going to turn your swords into plowshares…nowhere in fact does he advocate violence as a solution…we pride ourselves as having the greatest democracy in the world and regard our constitution almost as sacred text…yet at the same time we have para-military groups all over this country armed to the teeth ready to fight the very governments that have sworn to uphold the constitution…and all with their own conspiracy theories…talk about being paranoid…we have way more gun related killings than all the other civilized nations of the world…combined…it’s like pharaoh when he hardened his heart against God…even after the ten plagues God sent on Egypt…maybe God is trying to tell us something after all the massacres and killings in this country lately…and how are we reacting…heardening our hearts by arming ourselves even more…maybe our nation is under the judgement of God even now…hope y’all have a blessed Easter

Speaking of paranoid…

 

[SamH]

I take living by the sword as a metaphor for using deadly force to dominate others, but not for using a weapon to protect one’s family!
There is a difference. A huge difference. .

So you think law abiding citizens are trying to use force to dominate their neighbors? Any thing to back this claim up?

 

[Hovannes]

So you think law abiding citizens are trying to use force to dominate their neighbors? Any thing to back this claim up?

Huh?:ehh:

 

[Hovannes]

Huh?:ehh:

 

[styrgwillidar]

Hovanes, I think he was confusing your post with the one you were responding to.

If I understand you, you were making the point to Peebo, that there is a vast difference between ‘living by the Sword’ and simply owning/using one for the specific purpose of self-defense. That Living by the Sword describes someone like a career criminal or dictator who uses force to further their goals, to dominate others.

 

[Chantal25]

Hovanes, I think he was confusing your post with the one you were responding to.

If I understand you, you were making the point to Peebo, that there is a vast difference between ‘living by the Sword’ and simply owning/using one for the specific purpose of self-defense. That Living by the Sword describes someone like a career criminal or dictator who uses force to further their goals, to dominate others.

Peter in the bible wasn’t a career criminal. He used the sword to defend Jesus.

“The one that lived with the sword, shall die by the sword”

All the best!

 

[shipwrkd]

Peter in the bible wasn’t a career criminal. He used the sword to defend Jesus.

“The one that lived with the sword, shall die by the sword”

All the best!

Peter did not die by the sword, he was crucified.

 

[EasterJoy]

When John the Baptist was asked by soldiers “And what is it that we should do?”, he told them “Do not practice extortion, do not falsely accuse anyone, and be satisfied with your wages.” (Luke 3:14) He did not tell them to quit their occupations, and soldiers back then were not exactly taught the “protect and serve” mentality of law enforcement.

Owning a gun is a serious matter, and it requires that the gun owner be prudent and unfailingly diligent, just as the operator of a plane or a helicopter must be. A gun is an object purposefully made to inflict a mortal wound or to threaten mortal harm, and of course that means it must be handled with great care. Every gun safety course you will ever take will tell you to never point a gun at anything you are unwilling to kill, if it should come to that. Even an expert who shoots with the intention of wounding always takes the chance that the wound inflicted will be mortal. Still, Catholics do not have to reserve the use of guns for killing animals for food. The intention to inflict mortal harm on another human being is not always sinful. It is sometimes necessary to kill in order to prevent a would-be murderer from inflicting mortal harm on an innocent person. Not every killing is a murder.

You must be diligent in keeping the weapon from harming anyone needlessly, you must be diligent that it does not get stolen, whether by a friend (who might use it to commit suicide) or by a criminal stranger, you must be diligent about learning how to use it effectively, and so on. If you have the ability and intention to be a prudent gun owner, however, it is not sinful to own one.

 

[shipwrkd]

I’m looking for a handgun - one for each of us (my wife and I). I’m going for a 22LR since I can’t handle the 9mm recoil at my level of experience. I’ll eventually graduate to 9mm one of these decades if this ammo shortage ever clears up. Right now, getting 9mm ammo is a pipe dream. 22LR is even harder to get.

Bob, just re reading and this post caught my eye. I’m not against guns in the least but in your state,you can’t carry concealed so the guns will be in your home most of the time. Why two guns?? This could be a safety issue with both you and your wife thinking there were an intruder in your home and both armed. The only other gun in the house should be the one in the intruders hand. If you and your wife were in different rooms and even thought there was someone else present you could end up shooting at each other. Two guns in the same room require the type of combat training that is usually available only to LEO’s. You may want to get a professional opinion on that.
I’d hate to se your first experience with firearms be a bad one.

 

[Chantal25]

Peter did not die by the sword, he was crucified.

He followed Jesus advice and put the sword away and followed Jesus on the cross and was determined to do God will and followed Jesus’s example all the way even to give his life as well for others.

It wasn’t a punishment for Peter to die this way but he followed Jesus teaching to care for his sheep and lamb.

 

[jelpmac]

Peebo Post #96. I really wish you, your daughter and everybody else would stop referring to the AR15 or AR15 style rifles as assault rifles. That mentality has got the whole country scared to death of the black rifles. We used assault rifles in Vietnam and the Middle East. Maryland just banned assault rifles, none of which really are. They stupidly banned any rifle that has the clone shape but not the function of a real assault rifle. The M16 rifle had a setting for full automatic fire, it shot as long as the trigger was held down and most of us used it rarely, to save ammo. We learned way back at Parris Island that a well placed, well aimed shot was far more effective than spraying and praying you’d hit something. The AR15 is a semi-automatic rifle, you pull the trigger for each and every shot. Because of all the assault rifle term misuse, benign .22 cal rifles are blacklisted. The AR is used for target, competition and home defense but it is not a true combat firearm No semi-auto is. And contrary to all the blarney, you can buy full auto machine guns in the USA. You have to pay a special license fee to the BATF, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, undergo an additional FBI background check and spend from $25,000 to $75,000 to buy one. All of which no real criminal will do, no matter what law is passed. A collector or hobbyist like me or you would follow the legalities. Criminals do not. All the gun bills in the world will not make a criminal follow procedures. And calling every rifle with the AR silhouette, an assault rifle is like putting a lawn mover engine in a Corvette chassis and calling it a race car.

 

[styrgwillidar]

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And contrary to all the blarney, you can buy full auto machine guns in the USA. You have to pay a special license fee to the BATF, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, undergo an additional FBI background check and spend from $25,000 to $75,000 to buy one. …

Most importantly, since sale of new full auto weapons to civilians was banned in 1986 under Reagan, to buy one you first have to find a collector willing to sell their weapon. There are about ~186,000 full auto weapons in civilian hands which explains why they’re so expensive. (At least, that was the figure quoted during orals before the supreme court in Heller).

Now, if the gun bans are effective that might change due to the number of true full auto assault rifles down in Mexico. These are the ones sold to the Mexican government by the US government and then either stolen or sold to the cartels. Additionally, the cartels obtain a lot on the european and middle-eastern black markets. Both sources are considerably cheaper than 25K. Combine that with legalization of marijuana cutting into cartel revenues and weapon smuggling into the US might become a business opportunity for them.

 

[shipwrkd]

Peebo Post #96. I really wish you, your daughter and everybody else would stop referring to the AR15 or AR15 style rifles as assault rifles. That mentality has got the whole country scared to death of the black rifles. We used assault rifles in Vietnam and the Middle East. Maryland just banned assault rifles, none of which really are. They stupidly banned any rifle that has the clone shape but not the function of a real assault rifle. The M16 rifle had a setting for full automatic fire, it shot as long as the trigger was held down and most of us used it rarely, to save ammo. We learned way back at Parris Island that a well placed, well aimed shot was far more effective than spraying and praying you’d hit something. The AR15 is a semi-automatic rifle, you pull the trigger for each and every shot. Because of all the assault rifle term misuse, benign .22 cal rifles are blacklisted. The AR is used for target, competition and home defense but it is not a true combat firearm No semi-auto is. And contrary to all the blarney, you can buy full auto machine guns in the USA. You have to pay a special license fee to the BATF, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, undergo an additional FBI background check and spend from $25,000 to $75,000 to buy one. All of which no real criminal will do, no matter what law is passed. A collector or hobbyist like me or you would follow the legalities. Criminals do not. All the gun bills in the world will not make a criminal follow procedures. And calling every rifle with the AR silhouette, an assault rifle is like putting a lawn mover engine in a Corvette chassis and calling it a race car.

When I buy this $75 dollar Crosman to take care of a couple destructive squirrels will I be evil??

 

[shipwrkd]

He followed Jesus advice and put the sword away and followed Jesus on the cross and was determined to do God will and followed Jesus’s example all the way even to give his life as well for others.

It wasn’t a punishment for Peter to die this way but he followed Jesus teaching to care for his sheep and lamb.

Your missing the point. Jesus didn’t tell Peter to get rid of the sword, He told him to put it away. This quote gets way too much use in gun arguments. You still haven’t addressed if you think there is no place for guns in society, why does Pope Francis (along with his predecessors) allow the Swiss Guard to be so highly armed. Prayer did not keep four bullets from entering Pope John Paul II body.

 

[Peebo]

When I buy this $75 dollar Crosman to take care of a couple destructive squirrels will I be evil??

The squirrels might think you are!!

 

[shipwrkd]

The squirrels might think you are!!

Squirrels are kind like politicians. Both guns do the same thing but the “scary” looking pellet gun is half as powerful and not near as accurate.

 

[Chantal25]

Your missing the point. Jesus didn’t tell Peter to get rid of the sword, He told him to put it away. This quote gets way too much use in gun arguments. You still haven’t addressed if you think there is no place for guns in society, why does Pope Francis (along with his predecessors) allow the Swiss Guard to be so highly armed. Prayer did not keep four bullets from entering Pope John Paul II body.

This quote gets way too much use in gun arguments.

As you doing with my post, i only mentioned that “Peter wasn’t a criminal and still he was told this quote by Jesus”.

Peter is never mentioned in the bible to have used the sword again.

As to answer your question if i feel that there isn’t any place for gun in society. Please read my other replies and you will see what i stand for and i am not against by any mean to protect our self. But again there are many ways to protect our self. Just read my other replies.

Guns can be seen a cool thing to own or have but, i think it is important to reevaluate our intention. I do feel that many get paranoid and having a gun is not the only way.

Anyway, we can argue and bring both great argument for either we should have a gun or not but i think what it should come down, is to do God’s will. All advance religious or spiritual person, typically never make a decision before prayer. Mother Teresa by all mean lived in such a dangerous place that owning a gun could have been justification for her but she went with different protection and faith. Again, not everyone has faith as her and after prayer if it feels right to have an additional protection, they should follow what feels right to them.

Hope this answer your question. All the best!