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EphelDuath
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Like, is it bad to “look forward” to having a dream in which you can do something you refuse to do in real life?
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Blade_and_Blood
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In all honesty, I don’t even know anymore. Regardless of whether it is or isn’t, God knows the *both *of us would continue to control our dreams in any matter we wish.
We don’t really ask for dreams to happen either way. REM sleep is going to happen whether we like it or not, and the dreams themselves are reflections of our thoughts, ideas, hopes, fears, days, and, even plans for the future (e.g. the first day of school/work).
Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
We don’t really ask for dreams to happen either way. REM sleep is going to happen whether we like it or not, and the dreams themselves are reflections of our thoughts, ideas, hopes, fears, days, and, even plans for the future (e.g. the first day of school/work).
Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
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ready
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To answer the question found in your heading. It is wrong to want to sin anytime and in all circumstances. Desire to sin is desire to do evil, which turns you away from your Creator.
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EphelDuath
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I don’t want to do evil. I mean, here’s an analogy. You’re really irritated by somebody, but you’re polite and do not want to yell at him. Is it a sin to want to have a dream where you yell at that person, just to get it out of your system?It is wrong to want to sin anytime and in all circumstances. Desire to sin is desire to do evil, which turns you away from your Creator.
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Coder
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Yes, because God wants our hearts. He does not want us to be robots looking for loopholes. He wants us to understand that sin cannot compare to what He offers so what you seek is simply your own misunderstanding. We all must seek God’s grace for proper understanding and a clearer relationship with Him. We are all fooled and taken in by this world to some extent. We need spiritual growth. Confession is a wonderful source of God’s grace even if not in mortal sin. Mass and good reading including the Bible are also excellent sources of God’s grace.
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Blade_and_Blood
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Well, if you believe in the Catharsis Myth (the idea that expressing emotion relieves it), then yes. But, I’ve read the myth only relieves anger temporarily.
In Catholic terms, unfortunately, it is sinful for someone to think bad thoughts. It’s quite the unhealthy rule, but that’s how it is in Catholicism.
Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
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EphelDuath
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I find this answer satisfactory. Thank you.
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Coder
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I think our mind has behavior patterns that are reflected in our dreams. What you focus on in you consciousness may show up in your dreams in a different form but still the pattern may be similar. I consider these patterns to be like river beds where the water of our thoughts tend to flow. Whether awake or asleep you want to forge the proper river beds. I’m not a dream expert, these are some of my thoughts.
You don’t want to foster thw wrong focus. Suppose someone’s wife told her husband she was looking forward to her dream where she hits him on the head with a pan. I don’t think her husband would like that. This is because it shows where the womans heart lies. See my previous post.
I just noticed your previous post. Hope this is helpful also. Best to you.
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JAGCath28
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Is it wrong to sin in your dreams if you don’t want to and have no control over the dream? I have very vivid dreams that I remember in the morning, and there are times when I do things in my dream that I WOULD NEVER EVER DO in real life, and that I find very very wrong. It doesn’t happen all the time, but I don’t know how to make them stop when they do. I feel very guilty for them.
DO in real life, and that I find very very wrong. It doesn’t happen all the time, but I don’t know how to make them stop when they do. I feel very guilty for them.
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Reynardus
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Maybe it would be if you find yourself wanting it while you’re awake.
But if you were wanting it while dreaming, that might not be a sin. I find that one’s willpower seems to be skewed and twisted during a dream. One easily finds themselves doing things they wouldn’t normally do.
And from what I’ve read, you can’t sin in a dream no matter how intense and vivid.
If you still feel guilty:
mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupanon.htm
But if you were wanting it while dreaming, that might not be a sin. I find that one’s willpower seems to be skewed and twisted during a dream. One easily finds themselves doing things they wouldn’t normally do.
And from what I’ve read, you can’t sin in a dream no matter how intense and vivid.
If you still feel guilty:
mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupanon.htm
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chevalier
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If you worry about sinning in dreams, you had better talk to a priest about it. No, it’s not fine to hope for “sinful dreams” to come, but if they do come, then how much can a sleeping person consent to anything? How much does he even know if his brain is sleeping?
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Neithan
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There are no unhealthy rules in Catholicism. It’s the fullest, healthiest moral ruleset possible, encompassing all aspects of the human person: physical, emotional, mental and spiritual.
Nursing bad thoughts, *that *is unhealthy.
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Blade_and_Blood
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If it’s healthy for you, I encourage it, wholeheartedly. But, others just can’t take the pressure of suppressing any thought–good or bad. Emotional stress hurts, and I would hope you are aware of that because everybody goes through it at least once in their lives, even if it’s for a mere second.
I respect your opinion about nursing bad thoughts as unhealthy, mainly because, in some cases, it does hold some truth. But, as far as the catharsis myth goes, do emotional releases–even in dreams-- feed the emotions or relieve them?
I guess the answer really varies from person to person.
Ironically Yours.
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Neithan
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But that is relativism.I guess the answer really varies from person to person.
Ironically Yours.
Rather than suppress the passions or indulge them - Christianity teaches a third way: sublimation. It requires grace, of course; and it’s the best answer, for everybody.
When a ‘bad thought’ happens, don’t consciously try to suppress it (which will lead to repression), simply lift the mind to God in prayer (which will lead to purification).
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Eucharisted
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Doing evil in one’s dreams falls under evil thoughts, however there is a distinct between unwanted thoughts (and unwanted dreams) and wanted thoughts (and wanted dreams): the former is not sin but a cross, while the latter is a venial sin.
Blade and Blood, your consicence is clouded by pride and ideology. You need to go before the Blessed Sacrament and ask the Lord to give you the Holy Spirit, and keep your heart open to Him when He is sent to you, or else you will not recieve the divine light you need to have a clear conscience.
Blade and Blood, your consicence is clouded by pride and ideology. You need to go before the Blessed Sacrament and ask the Lord to give you the Holy Spirit, and keep your heart open to Him when He is sent to you, or else you will not recieve the divine light you need to have a clear conscience.
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Gerard_Nadal
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Let’s answer this through a series of questions.
What sin do you fantasize about? What is the perceived good or freedom? IT’S A LIE!! Whatever the perceived good, think of its opposite. That is the thing that the sin is really destroying. In my examples above, the perceived good is freedom. Unattachment. The opposite? Bonds of love, which evil suggests to you are really bondage. Get the perversion there?:newidea:
Get a really good priest as a confessor and discuss this as often as it takes to kill it.:knight2: :knight2:
Pray for strength when these thoughts come.
God Bless You
- How would your spouse feel if you said, "Honey, may I fantasize about other people in my dreams? Is that okay with you.:tsktsk:
- Ask your boss, “Hey is it okay if I dream about working for our competitor?”:tsktsk:
- Ask your children, “Is it okay if I dream about the freedom I had before you were born?”:tsktsk:
- Ask your elderly parents, “Is it okay if I dreamt of the possibilities in my life if I didn’t have the burden of caring for you?”:tsktsk:
What sin do you fantasize about? What is the perceived good or freedom? IT’S A LIE!! Whatever the perceived good, think of its opposite. That is the thing that the sin is really destroying. In my examples above, the perceived good is freedom. Unattachment. The opposite? Bonds of love, which evil suggests to you are really bondage. Get the perversion there?:newidea:
Get a really good priest as a confessor and discuss this as often as it takes to kill it.:knight2: :knight2:
Pray for strength when these thoughts come.
God Bless You
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Newbie2
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Interesting thread.
If something comes up in a dream, where you do “evil”, that’s perfectly OK; you have no control over your dreams. However, when you wish that the situation will come up in your dreams…that seems to be a different matter, as has been said.
There are methods to deal with anger i.e. to help us emotionally dissapate it, such as writing out how you feel or speaking out your thoughts aloud (alone), but the intent is different here…subtle, but different. That’s not to say that, for example, writing down your angry thoughts or saying them out loud cannot be sinful, especially if you know it just gets you all the more agitated at the person.
But, we all deal with anger in slightly different ways. The Christian response is to forgive and forget, but it’s not in our nature to be able to do this instantly and permanently; most times it takes time and effort to overlook our brother and sister’s shortcomings.
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ready
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I’m not sure I understand your question.
If, while you are dreaming, you dream that you want to sin in this present dream of yours, that would not be a problem, because YOU ARE ONLY DREAMING, and thus, are not held cuplable, as you are not in control.
If, however, while in a full state of alertness, where you are fully awake and not groggy, then wanting to sin the next time you are asleep would be wrong, for sure - as you would then be willing a bad thing.
If, while you are dreaming, you dream that you want to sin in this present dream of yours, that would not be a problem, because YOU ARE ONLY DREAMING, and thus, are not held cuplable, as you are not in control.
If, however, while in a full state of alertness, where you are fully awake and not groggy, then wanting to sin the next time you are asleep would be wrong, for sure - as you would then be willing a bad thing.
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Blade_and_Blood
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I’d probably say, “Sure, go ahead–not like you can control it anyways-- but if you do control your dreams in your favor, please keep them to yourself because even God knows you don’t want to know what I’m dreaming.”
Ironically Yours.
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JAGCath28
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I spoke to my priest about it in Confession today. I don’t want to have these “sinful” dreams, and yet they occur every once in a while which makes me feel guilty. My priest told me that because I cannot control my will in these dreams that I’m not doing anything wrong and that I should not feel guilty for them. I guess I just needed to hear it from the priest. Of course, I’m going to pray that God will relieve me of these dreams, but I’m not going to feel guilty about them anymore.
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