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I’ve always wondered about the true nature of the consciousness who embodied who we came to know as Jesus. He only came to us as man to redeem us, but who is He really? As in, how is He divine and yet different from the Father?This is how I understand it. Let me know if you understand it differently.
As I see it, God is the unbegotten cause from which His “only begotten son” came to be (John 3:16). In other words, Jesus is all of creation. There are a few verses in the Bible that supports this.“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”(John 1:1) Since God has no beginning, it must be referring to the beginning of the ‘Word’. I understand ‘Word’ as God’s will, and that is what the consciousness we know as Jesus embodied in human form. He said the word, and Jesus came to be–so to speak. This was the beginning of all creation. “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. " (John 1: 2-3).” For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17). As I envision it, I see this Light as the primordial 'stuff ’ with which everything we was created, i.e plants, animals, humans, all inanimate objects, stars, galaxies- the physical universe as we see it; as well as all unseen spiritual consciousnesses, forces, and realms unapprehended by most humans.
“He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead” (Colossians 1:18). So you and I are physically as well as spiritually part of Jesus/Light/Word, and He is like the oversoul (the whole body) that is made up of all our individual souls (parts of the body; i.e. hands, eyes, feet etc), as well as the consciousness(head of the body)that witnesses all our souls.
A lot of verses make sense in light of this view of Jesus as creation itself, both physical and spiritual:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelations 22:13).
“And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” (Colossians 1:15).
“Behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting”(Micah 5:2)
“And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn” Luke 2:7
“For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.” Rom 8:19
"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.” Rom 8:29
“Firstborn from among the dead” (Colossians 1:18)…that’s a little different, and also very confusing. It also appears again in Rev 1:5 “and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.” I know this will be VERY controversial, but do you think it suggests that a physical rebirth is possible? Is it saying that part of him was also in the first man who died and was reborn from among the dead? I know it’s a stretch, but it’s worth thinking about. It makes more sense to me than eternal damnation, especially if I am to believe that we are literally part of Jesus, spiritually, and in Jesus, physically. He is indestructible: “For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ” (Colossians 2:9). So why would parts of him be destructible? I’ve also read that the translation of Greek word ‘aeonios’ as eternal or everlasting is inaccurate: tentmaker.org/articles/EternityExplained.html
'Firstborn among the dead" would also mean the first man to live on earth and die, but that would be Adam according to Genesis.
As I see it, God is the unbegotten cause from which His “only begotten son” came to be (John 3:16). In other words, Jesus is all of creation. There are a few verses in the Bible that supports this.“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”(John 1:1) Since God has no beginning, it must be referring to the beginning of the ‘Word’. I understand ‘Word’ as God’s will, and that is what the consciousness we know as Jesus embodied in human form. He said the word, and Jesus came to be–so to speak. This was the beginning of all creation. “All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. " (John 1: 2-3).” For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17). As I envision it, I see this Light as the primordial 'stuff ’ with which everything we was created, i.e plants, animals, humans, all inanimate objects, stars, galaxies- the physical universe as we see it; as well as all unseen spiritual consciousnesses, forces, and realms unapprehended by most humans.
“He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead” (Colossians 1:18). So you and I are physically as well as spiritually part of Jesus/Light/Word, and He is like the oversoul (the whole body) that is made up of all our individual souls (parts of the body; i.e. hands, eyes, feet etc), as well as the consciousness(head of the body)that witnesses all our souls.
A lot of verses make sense in light of this view of Jesus as creation itself, both physical and spiritual:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelations 22:13).
“And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation” (Colossians 1:15).
“Behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting”(Micah 5:2)
“And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn” Luke 2:7
“For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.” Rom 8:19
"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.” Rom 8:29
“Firstborn from among the dead” (Colossians 1:18)…that’s a little different, and also very confusing. It also appears again in Rev 1:5 “and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.” I know this will be VERY controversial, but do you think it suggests that a physical rebirth is possible? Is it saying that part of him was also in the first man who died and was reborn from among the dead? I know it’s a stretch, but it’s worth thinking about. It makes more sense to me than eternal damnation, especially if I am to believe that we are literally part of Jesus, spiritually, and in Jesus, physically. He is indestructible: “For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ” (Colossians 2:9). So why would parts of him be destructible? I’ve also read that the translation of Greek word ‘aeonios’ as eternal or everlasting is inaccurate: tentmaker.org/articles/EternityExplained.html
'Firstborn among the dead" would also mean the first man to live on earth and die, but that would be Adam according to Genesis.