Is Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic Church the only way to salvation?

[justasking4]

The Holy Catholic Church is a union of 23 semi-autonomous churches, united in the Grand Synod and subject to the pope, but below that, separate and varied.

Of the six rites, they are those of Rome, Byzantium, Alexandria, Antioch, Chaldea, ancient Armenia. Each has different expressions of the whole liturgical form, but the same truths.

The Eastern Orthodox share the Byzantine Rite with both the Church that never left union and those who came back into union. The Russian Orthodox are a Byzantine Right Autcephalous Church. The Russian Catholic Church is a semi-autonomous church (currently without hierarchs) which is of the same rite, traditions, and until the 19th century, was part of the Russian Orthodox church.

Of the Churches: each is comprised of worshipers of a single and specific rite, and several may be the same right.
The Ukrainian and Ruthenian churches are very nearly identical in practices, liturgy, etc. But each made it’s rejoinder to the Catholic Church at a diferent time, while the Italo-Albanians never left union. Each is permitted its own hierarchs (bishops), presbyters (priests), deacons, traditions, doctrine, theology, vestment, liturgical development. Each participates in the Synods and councils of the Holy Catholic Church, but not those specific to the Latin Church. And each may hold its own internal councils, as well.

They believe the same dogma, that defined as being required of all in the Catholic Church (sometimes with very different explanations of them).

Do all these rites accept the same catechism or do they have their own?

Can bishops in these rites be married?

 

[submittedjoy]

**The God revealed to us never said that there were no *other ***gods; He revealed that “I AM the Lord Your God, and you shall have no other gods before Me” because He is the Creator of all. I would say that the so-called ‘gods’ worshipped in pagan religions of the past (and even today) are actually demons and fallen angels who have deceived those into thinking that they are actually equal to the Creator.

Amen Peary… That’s exactly what I believe. Well said!

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by peary
The God revealed to us never said that there were no other gods; He revealed that “I AM the Lord Your God, and you shall have no other gods before Me” because He is the Creator of all. I would say that the so-called ‘gods’ worshipped in pagan religions of the past (and even today) are actually demons and fallen angels who have deceived those into thinking that they are actually equal to the Creator.

submittedjoy
Amen Peary… That’s exactly what I believe. Well said!

Some have said that Mormons and Musliums who deny the Trinity and Christ don’t have the fullness of the truth but as far as i can tell from their posts we all believe in the same God. Why can’t this be said for these pagan gods?

 

[Cathy]

Some have said that Mormons and Musliums who deny the Trinity and Christ don’t have the fullness of the truth but as far as i can tell from their posts we all believe in the same God. Why can’t this be said for these pagan gods?

For some pagan religions, it is abundantly obvious that they are not the same, since they demand human sacrifice. (See, for example, the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe and the conversion of the Aztecs, at www.sancta.org) As someone has said, the ancient pagans were wiser than modern-day pagans, because they recognized that Christianity was true and embraced it.

 

[peary]

Some have said that Mormons and Musliums who deny the Trinity and Christ don’t have the fullness of the truth but as far as i can tell from their posts we all believe in the same God. Why can’t this be said for these pagan gods?

I don’t think Quetzecoatl would be dignified by anyone saying that we all believe in the same God LOL

 

[justasking4]

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Originally Posted by justasking4
Some have said that Mormons and Musliums who deny the Trinity and Christ don’t have the fullness of the truth but as far as i can tell from their posts we all believe in the same God. Why can’t this be said for these pagan gods?

peary
I don’t think Quetzecoatl would be dignified by anyone saying that we all believe in the same God LOL**

Do you believe that the God of the Mormons and Musliums is the same God as Christians worship?

 

[peary]

Do you believe that the God of the Mormons and Musliums is the same God as Christians worship?

**Muslims, yes; Mormons, no.

With Muslims (as with the Jews), they worship the God of Abraham (Who is also the Christian God), but they do not have the full revelation of Who God is (Trinity) and how He works in the world through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Mormons claim to have their own ‘revelation’ of God, and makes God as three separate gods of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, rather than one God in three Persons. As such, they do not worship the same God as we do.**

 

[justasking4]

peary;3469965]**Muslims, yes; Mormons, no.

With Muslims (as with the Jews), they worship the God of Abraham (Who is also the Christian God), but they do not have the full revelation of Who God is (Trinity) and how He works in the world through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.**
Why would you say Muslims do when they deny the Trinity, Christ was God and died for our sins?

These are fundamental differences that go to the very core of the nature of God.

Mormons claim to have their own ‘revelation’ of God, and makes God as three separate gods of Father, Son, Holy Spirit, rather than one God in three Persons. As such, they do not worship the same God as we do.

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[guanophore]

Some have said that Mormons and Musliums who deny the Trinity and Christ don’t have the fullness of the truth but as far as i can tell from their posts we all believe in the same God. Why can’t this be said for these pagan gods?

The concept of God used in Mormanism is derived from the Christian concept of God. The Pagan gods are derived from the elemental spirits of the universe.

Do you believe that the God of the Mormons and Musliums is the same God as Christians worship?

I do not believe it is a Christian formulation of God, but it is a derivative. Mormonism started with a Christian notion of God, then developed it. Just as Muslims started with an Abrahamic concept of God and developed it. The Greeks and Romans had a pantheon that has no roots in the Abrahamic notion of God.

Why would you say Muslims do when they deny the Trinity, Christ was God and died for our sins?

These are fundamental differences that go to the very core of the nature of God.

Because Abraham would have denied these too. These truths about the nature of God were not revealed at the time.

 

[peary]

Why would you say Muslims do when they deny the Trinity, Christ was God and died for our sins?

These are fundamental differences that go to the very core of the nature of God.

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**So do the Jews.
The Jews deny the Trinity.
The Jews deny that Christ was God and died for our sins.
Does that mean that they are worshipping a false god also? **

 

[justasking4]

**So do the Jews.
The Jews deny the Trinity.
The Jews deny that Christ was God and died for our sins.
Does that mean that they are worshipping a false god also? **

Good question. However, what do you think of the Musliums?

 

[peary]

Good question. However, what do you think of the Musliums?

**I answered that question in a previous post. You asked if I thought Mormons and Muslims worship the same God as Christians do. I said Muslims, yes; Mormons, no.

The only difference in the God of both Jews and Muslims and Christian revelation is that they do not have the full knowledge of the nature of God as Triune which does not enable them to understand the role of Christ in the salvation of the world.**

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… The Jews deny that Christ was God and died for our sins…

That’s not fair. You won’t find that in Jewish scripture. They may be silent on the matter, but their scripture is not specific in the denial.

Unlike Islamic scripture which is quite specific; Jesus is not the Son of God, and Jesus did not die on the cross (see Qur’an 5:17 and Qur’an 4:157).

 

[peary]

That’s not fair. You won’t find that in Jewish scripture. They may be silent on the matter, but their scripture is not specific in the denial.

Unlike Islamic scripture which is quite specific; Jesus is not the Son of God, and Jesus did not die on the cross (see Qur’an 5:17 and Qur’an 4:157).

C’mon, Charlie - the Jews REJECT Christ. They reject the Trinity. They reject that Christ died for our sins. Why else would they make such a big deal out of the prayer for them in the Latin Mass? It’s also in the Bible - they rejected Him. The Bible certainly isn’t silent on the matter!

 

[justasking4]

C’mon, Charlie - the Jews REJECT Christ. They reject the Trinity. They reject that Christ died for our sins. Why else would they make such a big deal out of the prayer for them in the Latin Mass? It’s also in the Bible - they rejected Him. The Bible certainly isn’t silent on the matter!

How is this any different than Musliums? They are guilty of the same things.

 

[jmcrae]

How is this any different than Musliums? They are guilty of the same things.

This is what people are trying to get across, here. The Muslims and the Jews worship the same God. Which is the Christian God, Jesus, only they don’t understand that aspect of Him, yet.

 

[peary]

How is this any different than Musliums? They are guilty of the same things.

**You keep forgetting that Jesus was born a Jew and practiced Judaism, so how could the Jews be guilty of worshipping a pagan god?? **

 

[guanophore]

This is what people are trying to get across, here. The Muslims and the Jews worship the same God. Which is the Christian God, Jesus, only they don’t understand that aspect of Him, yet.

I think it gives more clarity to say that they worship the God of Abraham. Neither group understands or accepts the 'Christian" God, but they both accept what they each understand about the God of Abraham.

 

[guanophore]

**You keep forgetting that Jesus was born a Jew and practiced Judaism, so how could the Jews be guilty of worshipping a pagan god?? **

Don’t be too hard on ja4. He is uneducated in these matters, and has been indoctrinated with a great deal of bigoted fundamentalism. This is the first time he is hearing some of these things, and has been taught the opposite for many years.

 

[Cathy]

I do, but in the case of most Mormons, I think they have an incomplete revelation of the One True God.

According to a commentary on Mormonism here at the CA site, historically at least, they do not teach there is one true God, but rather many, many gods, and that ordinary Mormon men may become gods of their own worlds:

"8. ‘Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.’ What is stranger than a God who starts off as a single Spirit, eternal and all-powerful; who then becomes, perhaps, two gods in one, and then three; who never changes, yet was once born a man, lived, sinned, repented, and died; who was made God the Father of this world by his own God; and who will make his own children gods someday of their own worlds?

That all believing Christians are shocked and disturbed by this blasphemy may—just may—be nudging the Mormon leadership to soften their rhetoric (if not actually change their heresy). A case in point is an interview with current church prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley, published in the San Francisco Chronicle on April 13, 1997. When asked: ‘[D]on’t Mormons believe that God was once a man?’ Hinckley demurred. ‘I wouldn’t say that. There’s a little couplet coined, ‘As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.’ Now, that’s more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don’t know very much about’ (3/Z1).

A surprising admission, as Hinckley seems to disparage the constant teaching of all his prophetic predecessors."

catholic.com/library/Mormon_Stumpers.asp