Is Jesus God?

[NotWorthy]

Originally Posted by jersen05 forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
there is also an event in the bible wherein a blind man also says I am does it make him also God? RUDE MEMBER>>>>juliamajor<<<<<

Was the blind man claiming to be Eternal?

Maran atha!

Angel

I’m curious. It seems when Jesus gives his “I AM” statements, they are somehow related to God in each way, which would, as you point out, differentiate it from the blind man.

I’m still sorting this out, so see if you can help me out.

1. I am the Good Shepherd - Jeremiah prophecies that God Himself will come down and shepherd His sheep. Jesus is saying, “I am God, who has come to shepherd My sheep.”
2. Do not be afraid, It is I (literally “Do not be afraid, I Am”) - The Psalms tell us that God alone can tread upon the water. By walking on water when Jesus says this, He is saying “Do not be afraid, I AM God”.
3. Before Abraham was, I Am - Of course, that would put Jesus over 2000 years old. There’s got to be a divinity in there, somewhere (remember, I’m just now working on this hypothesis.

I’m going to have to see if God was ever referred to as the Light, the Vine, or the Gate Keeper in the Old Testament. And I’ll keep looking at more I Am statements.

But its far beyond things like John the Baptist saying, “I Am not fit to untie his sandals…”

 

[jcrichton]

OK. what you say is good. family,trinity love and the others. But can i find that in the bible? I wanna tell that to the minister of Church of Christ, but i need proof saying “Jesus is God”. Or is that another man-made doctrine?

It seems that you are not only not familiar with Scriptures, but you reject what is offered to you:

26 Eight days later the disciples were in the house again and Thomas was with them. The doors were closed, but Jesus came in and stood among them. ‘Peace be with you,’ he said. 27 Then he spoke to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; look, here are my hands. Give me your hand; put it into my side. Do not be unbelieving any more but believe.’ 28 Thomas replied,*** ‘My Lord and my God!***’ 29 Jesus said to him: You believe because you can see me. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe. (St. John 20:26-29)

1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, ***he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty ***on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 5 To which of the angels, then, has God ever said: You are my Son, today I have fathered you, or: I shall be a father to him and he a son to me? 6 Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage. 7 To the angels, he says: appointing the winds his messengers and flames of fire his servants, 8 but to the Son he says: Your throne, God, is for ever and ever; and: the sceptre of his kingdom is a sceptre of justice; 9 you love uprightness and detest evil. This is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness, as none of your rivals. 10 And again: Long ago, Lord, you laid earth’s foundations, the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They pass away but you remain, they all wear out like a garment. 12 Like a cloak you will roll them up, like a garment, and they will be changed. But you never alter and your years are unending. 13 To which of the angels has God ever said: Take your seat at my right hand till I have made your enemies your footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation? (Hebrews 1:1-14)

5 Make your own the mind of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of ***Who, being in the form of God ***did not count equality with God something to be grasped. 7 But he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, becoming as human beings are; and being in every way like a human being, 8 he was humbler yet, even to accepting death, death on a cross. (Philippians 2:5-8)

waiting in hope for the blessing which will come with the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Christ Jesus. (Titus 2:13)

We are well aware also that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know the One who is true. We are in the One who is true as we are in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and this is eternal life. Children, be on your guard against false gods. (1 St. John 5:20)

I could go on citing one Scriptural passage after another… but till you allow yourself the humility and abandon of being Christ’s disciple you will not see the forest for the tree!

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enlighten your heart and mind so that you allow Him to guide you to the Truth!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I am saying these things even if im a Catholic because I am seeking answers about what I believe is true. I believe that Jesus is God, but what proof can i give to other people like the Church of Christ minister?

“Alpha and Omega”
From the beginning, the word was with God.
Because Jesus is the word of God, and from the beginning, Jesus is on his mind, that is why Jesus is in the very beginning.

Jesus will also the one on the last days, that is why he is Omega, he will come in the day of Judgment.

God said: “Let us make human beings…” (or something)
But it does not mean it really involves others on creation, for instance if I will read a book for my classmates, I sometimes say, “Let us read page 23” but it does not mean my classmates will also read the book, I alone will read the book because I am the one reporting that book rite?

Where/who are you learning from?

Jesus is not the Word because He was in the mind of God–that is simply double speak for “creature” or “something” brought into being. The revelation given to John is that the Word was with God and was God from the very beginning!

Further we have Yahweh declaring that before Him there was no god and that after Him no god came into being… we cannot have it both ways. We either accept God’s full revelations or we reject all of God’s revelations!

Jesus is not a “final” witness or one who will be there at the end of times; He is Eternal: ergo, First and Last: Beginning and End: Alpha and Omega!

Rather than seeking wisdom from non-Catholic sources you should pick up your Catholic Bible and begin to study your Faith in humble obedience to Christ: “If you Love me you will keep my commandments!”

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

hmm… Catholics. so many miss interpretation on the bible. I cant believe Catholics last this long even though the Holy spirit is not with them. always defending their false doctrines. Like Jesus’ nature and also the baptism by sprinkle of water. Jesus as God is a false doctrine because Jesus him self clearly state that he is a human. Catholics cant support their sprinkle of water for baptism doctrine, how can they defend their doctrine that Jesus is God?

“My Lord and my God…” Thomas was shocked because in his mind Jesus is a spirit when he saw him. God is spirit, so he thinks Jesus is also God. But Jesus explained and said “I am still the same”(or something like that), meaning there is no change in his human state, he did not change in to God or something else but still the same, HUMAN". a created being of God. God created the world For Jesus, Jesus did not create the World. It was Created FOR HIM.

Out of the topic comment: Pope, represents Christ? Some Pope are BAD, have many women.

Catholic… how long can i defend this church’s teachings, how long can i hold on, I think God is showing me the way to Jesus’ Church, the Church of Christ (INC).

I do not mean to be disrespectful… how old are you?

It seems to me that you are either uninterested in studying the replies that are offered to you or you are simply expounding your/your religious group’s theology or English is not your first language; I feel that there is something amiss with the manner you follow of the responses to your queries.

I can’t believe that you and others like you contradict Scriptures, reject God’s Design, debase Jesus, reject His Authority and still think that you are being lead by the Holy Spirit:

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Rejecting Christ’s Divinity is a direct rejection of God’s Authority and Commnad:

1 John 1:3
We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:23
No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

1 John 3:23
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

1 John 4:15
If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.

1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

1 John 5:10
Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.

1 John 5:11
And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

2 John 1:3
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

2 John 1:9

Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

I hope that you study each of the above passages and that you allow the Holy Spirit to guide your mind and heart: meet Jesus your Only Lord and Savior!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[baddog]

““Alpha and Omega”
From the beginning, the word was with God.
Because Jesus is the word of God, and from the beginning, Jesus is on his mind, that is why Jesus is in the very beginning.”

Jesus is on his mind!!! Where does it say this? Read John 1, what does it say?

John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

He was in the beginning. All things were made through him. “Without him was not anything made that was made.” In him was life.
Jesus was not an intangible thought before the incarnation, but a personal being.

 

[jcrichton]

bibleportal.com

John17 (New American Standard Bible)

JN17:1 "These things Jesus spoke; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "“Father, the hour has come; glorify Thy Son, that the Son may glorify Thee,”

JN17:2 “even as Thou gavest Him authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give eternal life.”

JN17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.”

was Jesus talking about him self or was it about " the only true God " ?

God let him self be under something?

God will send his Son, not God will send God

Jesus him self deny that he is God by saying the Father is the only true God? cant you just follow his instructions and set your mind that the only true God is the Father and NOT THE SON!?

“And the Word was with God, and the Word Was God”.
There is two GOD?

You’re not confused at all… you are simply following Jehovah Witnesses method of understanding Scriptures…

You, and they, make God a liar.

Yahweh has stated that He is pleased by Jesus.

Yahweh has stated that Jesus is His Only Begotten Son.

Yahweh has stated that He Alone Created everything that exists.

Yahweh has stated that He Alone is the Savior.

Yahweh has Stated that He will not share with any other His Glory:

1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 5 To which of the angels, then, has God ever said: You are my Son, today I have fathered you, or: I shall be a father to him and he a son to me? 6 Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage. 7 To the angels, he says: appointing the winds his messengers and flames of fire his servants, 8 but to the Son he says: Your throne, God, is for ever and ever; and: the sceptre of his kingdom is a sceptre of justice; 9 you love uprightness and detest evil. This is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness, as none of your rivals. 10 And again: Long ago, Lord, you laid earth’s foundations, the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They pass away but you remain, they all wear out like a garment. 12 Like a cloak you will roll them up, like a garment, and they will be changed. But you never alter and your years are unending. 13 To which of the angels has God ever said: Take your seat at my right hand till I have made your enemies your footstool? (Hebrews 1:1-13)

Catholics and other Christians either accept that our finite understanding is flawed or we can claim to know better than Yahweh God Himself about His Being and Purpose!

Plase rethink your flawed theology or you will be left out in the cold for not submitting to Christ’s Authority!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

no its not…because jesus is man…

apostle Paul who was called by jesus when he was already in heaven, testified that ““there is one God and one mediator between God and men… the man Christ jesus”” I tim 2:5

when jesus is mediator…then who is now God?

Your problem is that you are holding on to the wrong values.

Jesus did not exist as a man (corporeal being) prior to Creation–yet this same St. Paul which you reference tells us that it was revealed to Him that we (the Believers in Christ Jesus) were elected for Salvation prior to Creation:

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,

Is St. Paul confused? Does he not know that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary roughly 2 or 3 decades prior to his own birth? St. Paul is quite aware of Jesus duality: both true man and true God:

From Paul, an apostle appointed not by human beings nor through any human being but by Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised him from the dead, (Galatians 1:1)

1 Corinthians 10:4
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

…yeah, St. Paul knew about Jesus’ Divity!

Check this one out:

1 In the beginning was the Word: the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things came into being, not one thing came into being except through him.
4 What has come into being in him was life, life that was the light of men;
5 and light shines in darkness, and darkness could not overpower it. (St. John 1:1-5)

Imagine that… the Word, God, was the Beginning (Alpha) and Creator of all that exists.

9 The Word was the real light that gives light to everyone; he was coming into the world.
10 He was in the world that had come into being through him, and the world did not recognise him. (St. John 1:9-10)

…this one just boggles the mind: the Word was the spiritual light of mankind, He was coming into the world which He created, the world that did not recognized Him though He existed in it as its Creator and Protector …and all of this prior to being Incarnated in the Virgin Mary! St. John is revealing that Jesus is Omnipresent: He exists both as part of Creation (God is everything and in everything–sort of) and He exists both in time and outside of time and both in our temporal existence and outside of it!

11 He came to his own and his own people did not accept him.
12 But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believed in his name
13 who were born not from human stock or human desire or human will but from God himself. (St. John 1:11-13)

…gee… and the spinning continues: so Jacob, who was Yahweh God’s first born actually belongs to Jesus? …and there were those, lets call them the Remnant, who had a higher awareness spiritually, and were born of God (through the Holy Spirit)? Wow! …no wonder there were special people awaiting Jesus’ Coming!

14 The Word became flesh, he lived among us, and we saw his glory, the glory that he has from the Father as only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth. (St. John 1:14)

Interesting… a Man who is full of grace (God’s Grace) and truth… a Man who is said to posses God’s Glory… no wonder St. Paul tells us that the Law was waiting for Jesus to be revealed and that the prophets looked towards Him!: the true Man and true God!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

1 JN5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding, in order that we might know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.”

what the meaning of this verse?

The Father gives testimony about the Son: Christ is Lord! It is to Him that we must gravitate; there has been given only One Name by which we must be Saved; He, the Son, is the Resurrection and the Life; the Only Way to the Father; He is part of the Triune God; the Divine Being throught which the Father has seen fit to reveal His Salvation!

This is the True God: the Father and the Son–interstingly enough we find, revealed in various passages, that the Holy Spirit is both the Father’s and the Son’s Spirit!

Maran atha!

Angel;

 

[jcrichton]

Jesus said WE would do greater things than he, he also said that we are sons of God, he also said we were gods,The Cathechism 460 the word became flesh to make us partakers in the divinity of christ.

Do I need to Quote scripture to prove a point?

What is our origin monkeys, who made monkey’s, God, Then God created man and WE have our begining from God, thus we are children of God.

Do you not know you are the temple of the living God.

In the begining, God said now they “people” will be like us “Gods” and they will know the difference between Good and Evil.

…sorry, but I don’t follow you; what is that point that you are trying to prove?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Jesus also said that the Father is also greater than he is. Isn’t your father greater than you? Don’t you refer all family decisions to your father? Jesus IS God, no less in glory,
majesty, or power, but still subject to His Father in authority as a son.

As for the Hindu, Muslim, Buddist, etc., they are still God’s children even though they don’t believe in Him or worship Him as we do. Think of them as estranged siblings whom
your parents still love.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem.

I would argue that they are God’s creatures not God’s children since only through Faith in Jesus do we gain the status of children (Jn 1:1-14).

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Originally Posted by jersen05 forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
there is also an event in the bible wherein a blind man also says I am does it make him also God? RUDE MEMBER>>>>juliamajor<<<<<

I’m curious. It seems when Jesus gives his “I AM” statements, they are somehow related to God in each way, which would, as you point out, differentiate it from the blind man.

I’m still sorting this out, so see if you can help me out.

1. I am the Good Shepherd - Jeremiah prophecies that God Himself will come down and shepherd His sheep. Jesus is saying, “I am God, who has come to shepherd My sheep.”
2. Do not be afraid, It is I (literally “Do not be afraid, I Am”) - The Psalms tell us that God alone can tread upon the water. By walking on water when Jesus says this, He is saying “Do not be afraid, I AM God”.
3. Before Abraham was, I Am - Of course, that would put Jesus over 2000 years old. There’s got to be a divinity in there, somewhere (remember, I’m just now working on this hypothesis.

I’m going to have to see if God was ever referred to as the Light, the Vine, or the Gate Keeper in the Old Testament. And I’ll keep looking at more I Am statements.

But its far beyond things like John the Baptist saying, “I Am not fit to untie his sandals…”

Much of the Sacred Writings could lead to many speculations and beliefs… I think that by doing what you’ve done much light can be shed…

There are several hidden values in the Word of God… in the examples above I see Jesus authority revealed in various nuances:

• John the Baptist gives testimony that Jesus existed prior to himself–though his temporal body is roughly 6 months older than Jesus’
• The Good Shepherd is not only an Old Testament type but it is also a hidden prophecy where Yahweh God promises that He Himself will care for Israel (compare with Malachi 3:1-5)
• “…it is I” has a deeper connotation but it is still somewhat veiled; Jesus uses this subtlety throughout His Mission–revealing only what is necessary and that which does not go ahead of schedule (Passover Sacrifice)
• This “I Am” is not only purposeful but it is exacting! Jesus is fully aware of the customs of Judaism: Abraham is not only a forefather but he is the celebrated forefather–specially for the religious Jews. In one single move Jesus reveals His Authority, His Divinity, and His preemminance. In spite of revisiting Moses’ encounter with God, it escapes most, if not all, of His audience that Jesus is revealing that He is God.

There are other similarities between the Old and New Testament as God uses that various symbols (husband, shepherd, centinel, protector…); some are very important and seem to have traversed from Father to Son without much commotion (King, Lord, Sheperd…) others continued as interchangeable between the Father and the Son (Savior, Rock, Lord…); then there are the incidentals (first born, high priest, king, prophet…)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[read_me]

Is Jesus God?

Yes

John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”

can you read out loud the contents in… JOHN 17 1-3???
hahaha can you read or understand??

 

[NotWorthy]

can you read out loud the contents in… JOHN 17 1-3???
hahaha can you read or understand??

When Jesus had said this, he raised his eyes to heaven and said, "Father, the hour has come. Give glory to your son, so that your son may glorify you, just as you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to all you gave him. Now this is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

This is interesting. How do you claim that this disputes the claim that Jesus is God? What does John say in the first chapter of his Gospel.

***In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… *And the Word became flesh.
Hahaha, can you read or understand?

Jesus is God, Jesus is man. What’s the confusion?

 

[jean8]

You’re not confused at all… you are simply following Jehovah Witnesses method of understanding Scriptures…

You, and they, make God a liar.

Yahweh has stated that He is pleased by Jesus.

Yahweh has stated that Jesus is His Only Begotten Son.

Yahweh has stated that He Alone Created everything that exists.

Yahweh has stated that He Alone is the Savior.

Yahweh has Stated that He will not share with any other His Glory:

1 At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but 2 in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages. 3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and bears the impress of God’s own being, sustaining all things by his powerful command; and now that he has purged sins away, he has taken his seat at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. 4 So he is now as far above the angels as the title which he has inherited is higher than their own name. 5 To which of the angels, then, has God ever said: You are my Son, today I have fathered you, or: I shall be a father to him and he a son to me? 6 Again, when he brings the First-born into the world, he says: Let all the angels of God pay him homage. 7 To the angels, he says: appointing the winds his messengers and flames of fire his servants, 8 but to the Son he says: Your throne, God, is for ever and ever; and: the sceptre of his kingdom is a sceptre of justice; 9 you love uprightness and detest evil. This is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness, as none of your rivals. 10 And again: Long ago, Lord, you laid earth’s foundations, the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They pass away but you remain, they all wear out like a garment. 12 Like a cloak you will roll them up, like a garment, and they will be changed. But you never alter and your years are unending. 13 To which of the angels has God ever said: Take your seat at my right hand till I have made your enemies your footstool? (Hebrews 1:1-13)

Catholics and other Christians either accept that our finite understanding is flawed or we can claim to know better than Yahweh God Himself about His Being and Purpose!

Plase rethink your flawed theology or you will be left out in the cold for not submitting to Christ’s Authority!

Maran atha!

Angel

Yes, Jesus is God

Yes, Jesus is God. When we get into the area of the Trinity there will be confusion.
The Incarnation, God robed himself in flesh and came down from heaven to save us…

Jn.1:1-2 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.” (See Col.1:15-16)
Jn.1:14 “The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and Only who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

jean

 

[John7]

When Jesus had said this, he raised his eyes to heaven and said, "Father, the hour has come. Give glory to your son, so that your son may glorify you, just as you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to all you gave him. Now this is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

This is interesting. How do you claim that this disputes the claim that Jesus is God? What does John say in the first chapter of his Gospel.

***In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… ***And the Word became flesh.
Hahaha, can you read or understand?

Jesus is God, Jesus is man. What’s the confusion?

thanks NotWorthy for answering Mr. hahaha (נבל?)
just now reading the rest of the thread.
you know its very interesting that,

John 1:18 reads in the Greek
Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακε πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεος ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο

μονογενὴς θεος/monogenes theos = only begotten God

Most NT translations based on the TR (received text) read here ‘monogenes huios/only begotten Son’. But newer translations based on IMO better Greek texts (eg Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus) read esentially ‘only begotten God’. For example,

18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NASB95

18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. ESV

18 No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father’s side, has revealed him. ISV

18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIV

18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, 12 who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him. NAB (it looks like (?) NAB took a bit of both)
So how is Jesus not God, if he is the ‘only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father’? Of course Jesus is God

 

[jcrichton]

Yes, Jesus is God. When we get into the area of the Trinity there will be confusion.
The Incarnation, God robed himself in flesh and came down from heaven to save us…

Hi, Jean!

…I think that the confusion emanates from the desire of the finite mind to encompass the infinite mind of God; if we would only accept Him at His Word we would have very little trouble understanding the Holy Trinity, the Incarnation of the Word or anything else because we would have, as St. Paul’s revelation tells us, “…the mind of Christ!” (1 Corinthians 2:1-16)

Yet, man (especially those of us humans who think ourselves wise/intelligent) continues to view God through his own wisdom and understanding–seeking a God that would conform Himself to man’s perceptions ("…I think, therefore I am…"); no wonder Scriptures tell us that a man who has another man for counsel is a fool! (can’t remember the exact passage but I think it is found in Proverbs).

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[denwiles]

If he is the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end then why does he tell people to Pray to the Father and why does he say through himself he can do nothing, only what the Father allows, and he siad Abba Father why have you forsaken me why would he say into your hands I commend my spirit, Yes I’ve heard of the trinity and the mystery of God, but many people claim Jesus and a prophet, who is healing the hindu, the muslim, the buddist, the atheist when they get sick?

Hope these verses help!!! JESUS IS GOD!!!
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory.”
–1 Timothy 3:16

“But unto the SON he saith, ‘Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom’…And, ‘Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.’”
– Hebrews 1:8, 10

“I and my Father are ONE.”
–Jesus Christ, John 10:30

“…CHRIST JESUS…being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
–Philippians 2:5-8

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.”
–1 John 5:7

“… feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD.”
–Acts 20:28

"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us…
–1 John 3:16

“And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit.”
–Acts 7:59

“For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.”
–Isaiah 9:6

“And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD.”
–John 20:28

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
–John 1:1-4, 14

“Philip saith unto him, ‘Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.’ Jesus saith unto him, ‘Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, ‘Shew us the Father?’’”
– John 14:8-9

“…CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD…”
–II Corinthians 4:4

“…glory of GOD in the FACE OF JESUS CHRIST.”
–II Corinthians 4:6

“GOD…hath in these last days spoken unto us by his SON…who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON…”
–Hebrews 1:1-3

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn* of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
*firstborn: pre-eminence in rank more than to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term ‘firstborn’ is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called ‘firstborn’ although he was actually the youngest son.

“For in [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
– Colossians 2:9

“…they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.”
–Matthew 1:23

“The voice of him [John the Baptist] that crieth in the wilderness, PREPARE ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway FOR OUR GOD.”
– Isaiah 40:3

THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS WAS GOD AND THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH.
“The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
– John 10:33

 

[Dchsknight]

Everyone on this thread should go read the book, the shack. Then come back and continue this discussion.

 

[jean8]

thanks NotWorthy for answering Mr. hahaha (נבל?)
just now reading the rest of the thread.
you know its very interesting that,

John 1:18 reads in the Greek
Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακε πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεος ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο

μονογενὴς θεος/monogenes theos = only begotten God

Most NT translations based on the TR (received text) read here ‘monogenes huios/only begotten Son’. But newer translations based on IMO better Greek texts (eg Codex Vaticanus and Sinaiticus) read esentially ‘only begotten God’. For example,

18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. NASB95

18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. ESV

18 No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father’s side, has revealed him. ISV

18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known. NIV

18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, 12 who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him. NAB (it looks like (?) NAB took a bit of both)
So how is Jesus not God, if he is the ‘only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father’? Of course Jesus is God

Yes, I agree.

jean

 

[nannyma]

I didn’t say that Jesus was God the Father, what i’m trying to understand is scripture and the fact that the creed says that the Father and Son are one, yet Jesus refer’s to the Father seperately, I don’t mean to cause you grief, only seeking truth.

Grace and Peace.

Is Jesus God! Oh! YES Come on in;the water is great…
Watched Marcus Grodi on “Journey Home” last night. Awesome show, last night believe it it was about the "Divinity of Jesus being proclaimed by the Church at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD"Yes again,Our Beautiful Lord Jesus Christ is God,AMEN He is ONE with the Father and ONE with the Holy Spirit He is looking at you right now with love and peace and understands:ask Him,Nannyma