Is Jesus God?

[FCEGM]

Do you not know that we are made in the likeness and image of God, even Jesus said do you not know that they are Gods,

The quote reads “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’?” (John 10:34) - Small “g”. Here Our Lord is quoting from Ps. 82 and that is referring to the judges of Israel who have the authority to judge God’s people - whom God Himself will ultimately judge. The Lord’s point is that if those judges of Israel can be called “gods”, how much moreso God’s own and only Son? (cf. John 10:30-33). And, yes, we are made in His image and likeness, but we are not God and can only live according to His image by following the example of the humility of His Perfect Image Who is the pattern for us all: Christ Jesus, and Him crucified.

Jesus said we would do greater things than he, if we are humble we won’t see the potential God has for his Children, if we are humble we are powerless, Gods power flows through us, we are the temple of the living God.

OTC, it is only when we are humble before God that He raises us up. James makes this point clear in his epistle: “Therefore it says, 1God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble (4:6);’” and “Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you (4:10)”. Humility must always be present if we are to live in the fullness of what it means to be His adopted children. True humility makes us aware of who we really are and our need for God; that remains the case for all those incorporated into Christ for He is our model of humility. A grasping after a “power” one thinks is one’s due because of having been incorporated into Christ is contrary to Christ’s call to “take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am meek and humble of heart.” We can’t learn from Him if our own hearts aren’t humble before Him. It is only when we recognize our needfulness of God that He can raise us up, and it is precisely that recognition of our powerlessness that draws His grace and mercy down on us.

 

[jcrichton]

22 But you must do what the Word tells you and not just listen to it and deceive yourselves.

But Scripture say’s Be perfect just as your Father in heaven is perfect, also, go and sin no more, then he say’s no one is good but the Father, also, who can be saved, by human measure this is impossible but with God all things are possible. Why aren’t men following the call to perfection and if were not good how can we achieve this in life of actions?

Make St. John 15:1-17 the passage with which you asimilate all other passages–St. Paul condensed it in Philippians 4:13;

…men do not follow the call to perfection because we let our human nature (the flesh) dictate our being (actions):

17 For God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but so that through him the world might be saved.
18 No one who believes in him will be judged; but whoever does not believe is judged already, because that person does not believe in the Name of God’s only Son. 19 And the judgement is this: though the light has come into the world people have preferred darkness to the light because their deeds were evil.
20 And indeed, everybody who does wrong hates the light and avoids it, to prevent his actions from being shown up;
21 but whoever does the truth comes out into the light, so that what he is doing may plainly appear as done in God.’ (St. John 3:17-20)

As far as Jesus’ statement, consider that Jesus may have been revealing His Divinity by asserting that none is Good but God (compare with the various statements made by the Jews and His disciples when they attributed Jesus claims/actions to Only God).

The word tells us to love, love God and your neighbor, that this is the completion of the law. But agape love how can one pratice this if one is not good? Is there another kind of law of love other than agape love, eros, phlio, but the love that God said to give?

Love proceeds from God hence all forms of love should reflect God… sadly, human desire enters the equation and all forms of love can become tainted; that is why Jesus spoke of His Love and His Peace–it is in God’s Love that we can achieve perfection and in God’s Peace that we can truly Love.

Luke 18:19 Why do you call me good, no one is good but the father.

See above.

But what if we can’t finish the day there is no reward like a person who doe’s before the pay is Distributed?

That is only your perception… St. Paul tells us that we can achieve everything in Christ; Christ Himself is not asking that we came to Him in Wisdom and Understanding but that we abide in Him! Abiding in Christ means that we are totally dependent upon Him and not upon our own merits, accomplishments or abilities.

We are God’s greatest miracle, why not be filled with joy instead of depressed humlity, when I think of humility I think of a slave who is afraid to stand up aginst abuse.

Your perspective is that from human understanding… God does not want a whole bunch of mindless automatons; we were Created in His Image and Likeness… the Word did not become Incarnate to enslave humanity… we are always given the choice to obey or disobey; sadly, hollo-wood’s indoctrination has convinced the masses that freedom means lasciviousness and that morality is a hinderance to life… if you are Christ’s servant then you must be his willing servant–it is the only way!

Anyone’w whose will is not subject to God’s Will is him/herself an anti-God, a servant of the anti-Christ! Our allegiance is clear cut:

'Anyone who is not with me is against me, and anyone who does not gather in with me throws away. (St. Matthew 12:30)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Do you not know that we are made in the likeness and image of God, even Jesus said do you not know that they are Gods, Jesus said we would do greater things than he, if we are humble we won’t see the potential God has for his Children, if we are humble we are powerless, Gods power flows through us, we are the temple of the living God.

18 The message of the cross is folly for those who are on the way to ruin, but for those of us who are on the road to salvation it is the power of God. 19 As scripture says: I am going to destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing the understanding of any who understand. 20 Where are the philosophers? Where are the experts? And where are the debaters of this age? Do you not see how God has shown up human wisdom as folly? 21 Since in the wisdom of God the world was unable to recognise God through wisdom, it was God’s own pleasure to save believers through the folly of the gospel. 22 While the Jews demand miracles and the Greeks look for wisdom, 23 we are preaching a crucified Christ: to the Jews an obstacle they cannot get over, to the gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who have been called, whether they are Jews or Greeks, a Christ who is both the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 God’s folly is wiser than human wisdom, and God’s weakness is stronger than human strength. 26 Consider, brothers, how you were called; not many of you are wise by human standards, not many influential, not many from noble families. 27 No, God chose those who by human standards are fools to shame the wise; he chose those who by human standards are weak to shame the strong, 28 those who by human standards are common and contemptible – indeed those who count for nothing – to reduce to nothing all those that do count for something, 29 so that no human being might feel boastful before God. 30 It is by him that you exist in Christ Jesus, who for us was made wisdom from God, and saving justice and holiness and redemption. 31 As scripture says: If anyone wants to boast, let him boast of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 1:18-31–NJB)

See also: St. James 4:6 and 1 St. Peter 5:5.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Ben_Masada]

If he is the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end then why does he tell people to Pray to the Father and why does he say through himself he can do nothing, only what the Father allows, and he siad Abba Father why have you forsaken me why would he say into your hands I commend my spirit, Yes I’ve heard of the trinity and the mystery of God, but many people claim Jesus and a prophet, who is healing the hindu, the muslim, the buddist, the atheist when they get sick?

No, Jesus was not god, and he never claimed to be one. He was Jewish, and there is no such a thing in Judaism.
This of a man claiming to be god, happens only in Greek Mythology.

Ben:

 

[NotWorthy]

No, Jesus was not god, and he never claimed to be one. He was Jewish, and there is no such a thing in Judaism.
This of a man claiming to be god, happens only in Greek Mythology.

Ben:

Except for that whole “I forgive you” scene in the Synoptics (the paralyzed man on the mat, “Only God can forgive scenes”) and the numerous “I Am” statements, such as “Before Abraham was, I AM”, and the walking on water (“only God can tread the waters”) thing, you may have a point, Ben.

 

[Jerom3]

Should Jesus not be God, would not that place all our salvations in jeopardy? Colour that one red!

 

[jcrichton]

No, Jesus was not god, and he never claimed to be one. He was Jewish, and there is no such a thing in Judaism.
This of a man claiming to be god, happens only in Greek Mythology.

Ben:

Ben wake up, even the masters of Law testefied that He was blaspheming because He made Himself God!

If you insist on denying Scriptures then you should join an atheist group; they will readily listen to your sterile and pumpous arguments.

May Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, the One Messiah, burn you with His Holy Spirit and cleanse your body, mind and spirit so that you may turn back to Yahweh!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Except for that whole “I forgive you” scene in the Synoptics (the paralyzed man on the mat, “Only God can forgive scenes”) and the numerous “I Am” statements, such as “Before Abraham was, I AM”, and the walking on water (“only God can tread the waters”) thing, you may have a point, Ben.

You are beating a dead log (twice dead); he cannot see reason… it is blinded by his damaged logic central…

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Should Jesus not be God, would not that place all our salvations in jeopardy? Colour that one red!

Not for Ben… logic is his savior and salvation!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jean8]

No, Jesus was not god, and he never claimed to be one. He was Jewish, and there is no such a thing in Judaism.
This of a man claiming to be god, happens only in Greek Mythology.

Ben:

ben,
See Jn.8:58, Heb.13:8 How do you understand these scriptures? Who is Jesus? There is one God.
The mystery of the Trinity.
It takes some study.

God bless,
jean8

 

[codebilly]

If he is the Alpha and the Omega the begining and the end then why does he tell people to Pray to the Father and why does he say through himself he can do nothing, only what the Father allows,

Because He, the Incarnation of the Word, the Embodiment of Everlasting Compassion, renounced His divinity and all Divine powers to become man. He, the Lord of Time, stepped into time to rent the veil between God and man. He surrendered His perfect self, and let His heart be torn open as the gateway to His abode of eternal bliss.

See: Phil 2:6-8

*Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.
Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; and found human in appearance, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross. *

Jesus Christ, is the innocent, and lamb like Servitor Lord. The Lord who is renunciation all for the sake of even the last, lost, wandering ghost. To Buddhists, He is a shepherd - one who renounces entering the gate and closing it, until all other sentient beings go through the gate first . To Hindus, He is the cosmic Purusha, Cosmic protector of the varna ashrama, the Dharma of Peace in the social body of God. He is the Son God, named “Purusha” in the Purusha sukta hymn of the Rg Veda, the Lord who sacrifices Himself on a stake for everyone before during and after time. The remnants of His sacrifice feed the universe. For the atheists, He is the Good Shepherd in search of His lost, most treasured lamb.

Yes I’ve heard of the trinity and the mystery of God, but many people claim Jesus and a prophet, who is healing the hindu, the muslim, the buddist, the atheist when they get sick?

See above , and yes, He IS the Divine Physician and source of all healing.

and he siad Abba Father why have you forsaken me why would he say into your hands I commend my spirit,

In this statement, the Perfect Jesus expresses the highest love for God possible for a human being. And the wounded Jesus expresses the entire sins of the World, which is separation from God lost in the lonely emptiness of self absorption.

That is, you must understand first the idea of perfect union with God in separation. Read the poems and writings of St. Teresa the Little flower. She is in love with God so much that she cannot stand to be separated from Him for even 1 second.

Even so, almost no one can understand Jesus on the Cross. Even His apostles ran away. Only Mary, the other women and the Apostle John had love great enough be near.

Little John wept frantically, an uncontrollable deluge of tears on that road of sorrows.

The Savior of this world and every world invites you to enter into the mystery of His Mercy.

He is the way, and there is no other way to the Father.

 

[jcrichton]

Because He, the Incarnation of the Word, the Embodiment of Everlasting Compassion, renounced His divinity and all Divine powers to become man. He, the Lord of Time, stepped into time to rent the veil between God and man. He surrendered His perfect self, and let His heart be torn open as the gateway to His abode of eternal bliss.

See: Phil 2:6-8

Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.
Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; and found human in appearance, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.

Jesus Christ, is the innocent, and lamb like Servitor Lord. The Lord who is renunciation all for the sake of even the last, lost, wandering ghost. To Buddhists, He is a shepherd - one who renounces entering the gate and closing it, until all other sentient beings go through the gate first . To Hindus, He is the cosmic Purusha, Cosmic protector of the varna ashrama, the Dharma of Peace in the social body of God. He is the Son God, named “Purusha” in the Purusha sukta hymn of the Rg Veda, the Lord who sacrifices Himself on a stake for everyone before during and after time. The remnants of His sacrifice feed the universe. For the atheists, He is the Good Shepherd in search of His lost, most treasured lamb.

See above , and yes, He IS the Divine Physician and source of all healing.

In this statement, the Perfect Jesus expresses the highest love for God possible for a human being. And the wounded Jesus expresses the entire sins of the World, which is separation from God lost in the lonely emptiness of self absorption.

That is, you must understand first the idea of perfect union with God in separation. Read the poems and writings of St. Teresa the Little flower. She is in love with God so much that she cannot stand to be separated from Him for even 1 second.

Even so, almost no one can understand Jesus on the Cross. Even His apostles ran away. Only Mary, the other women and the Apostle John had love great enough be near.

Little John wept frantically, an uncontrollable deluge of tears on that road of sorrows.

The Savior of this world and every world invites you to enter into the mystery of His Mercy.

He is the way, and there is no other way to the Father.

Excellent post! :clapping:

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[NotWorthy]

You are beating a dead log (twice dead); he cannot see reason… it is blinded by his damaged logic central…

Maran atha!

Angel

If my words were meant only for Ben, then you’d be correct. But Ben isn’t alone in his thoughts. My words are for those with doubts, but whose minds aren’t closed off to reason.

 

[Cara_Serrano]

If Jesus isn’t God then there’s no point in being Catholic and we all might as well unsubscribe from this site. The Eucharist is based on the theology that it is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus. If you don’t think He’s divine, then don’t go to Mass and pretend you do.

 

[jean8]

John 8:58

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John 1:1,14

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.

By the way, I’m curious. Your profile says you are Catholic but are you saying you have doubts about Jesus being God?

Great post. I agree.

God bless,
jean8

 

[Randy_Carson]

No, Jesus was not god, and he never claimed to be one. He was Jewish, and there is no such a thing in Judaism.
This of a man claiming to be god, happens only in Greek Mythology.

Ben:

Yes, Jesus claimed to be God, and the Jews knew it.

John 10:32-33
Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

 

[jcrichton]

If my words were meant only for Ben, then you’d be correct. But Ben isn’t alone in his thoughts. My words are for those with doubts, but whose minds aren’t closed off to reason.

I understand… perhaps I’ve gone too far in my attempt to reach him, as well as those who hold similar views; I will refrain from such comments in the future.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[NotWorthy]

I understand… perhaps I’ve gone too far in my attempt to reach him, as well as those who hold similar views; I will refrain from such comments in the future.

Maran atha!

Angel

I know the feeling. When you’re anonymous, as we are when posting, its easy to refrain from the same courtesy that we would give our brothers and sisters if we met outside our Church, eh? But, in truth, its a stumbling block for me as well, my brother!

I find driving in traffic as being a similar situation (and temptation)!

 

[Ben_Masada]

Yes, Jesus claimed to be God, and the Jews knew it.

John 10:32-33
Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Of course! In that sense we are all sons of God.
But in the sense that Jesus was son of God for lack of earthly father, that’s Greek Mythology.

Ben:

 

[jcrichton]

I know the feeling. When you’re anonymous, as we are when posting, its easy to refrain from the same courtesy that we would give our brothers and sisters if we met outside our Church, eh? But, in truth, its a stumbling block for me as well, my brother!

I find driving in traffic as being a similar situation (and temptation)!

…with me is not so much the anonymity as much as the unreasonableness of some of the posters; they enter a Catholic site with an anti-Christian agenda while simultaneously claiming to be searching for the Truth… regardless of the exchange, they continue to spew their venon almost at every opportunity–both the contempt and the ignorance with which they compose their statements is almost palpable…

Dealing face to face with people affords us the opportunity to walk away (and they usually do not follow past 10 feet or so)… the net experience is not as forgiving since here they tend to be relentless, prolific, intractable, and suffering from a pit bull mentality!

…on top of that add my personal limitations… I often pray for patience and humility… I think I’m gonna have to tripple the order!

Maran atha!

Angel