Is Jesus God?

[ready]

ok^_^ i know what you trying to say, because even now it is still happening… like here in the Philippines, theres a lot here of healing priest or healing… etc. and when the patients
interview by the media (documentaries) they will say that their sickness were miraculously gone… that before they have a cancer then after consulting the said people that they claim that jesus or god gave them special powers to perform or to heal illnesses, they will say that their sicknesses are gone! how true is it? and do you know that FAITH is such powerful??? yes! many experts prove that. even though the heal of the said people truly cannot treat sickness, but it is because of faith that they believe and trust the healers…
like your experiences! it is because of FAITH to one thing how that’s made to you.
faith is so powerful, isn’t it?

Yes, read me, faith is so powerful.

 

[JesuisSean]

Granted, a lot of people think that God is no smarter than the average man, and thus say that nothing can exist within the Bible that the average Joe blow can not see.

However, have a look at this. Using English Gematria, where A=6, B=12, C=18, D=24,…, Z=156, words can be converted into numbers.

Examples: GOD = 156, JESUS = 444, CHRIST = 462, JESUS CHRIST = 906, etc.

Now if you look at the KJV New Testament, and search for the words " THE FATHER ", you will find these words 156 times, thus THE FATHER is GOD since GOD = 156.

Now if you look at the KJV New Testament, and search for the words " THE LORD ", you will find these words 462 times, thus THE LORD is CHRIST since CHRIST = 462.

Now about the Trinity.

Again if you look at the KJV New Testament, you find the following words the number of times shown below.

THE FATHER…(156)
THE SON…304
THE HOLY SPIRIT…2
…Total = (462)

Once again 156 and 462 appear. This gives the impression that ONE is the father, the son, and the holy spirit too(2).

Is Christ God then ?

Well if you bring ELS Bible Codes into the picture, and set your ELS Min. and Max range as ( -462 ) to ( 462 ), and you search for the “MARK” “OF GOD”, you will find the following.

MARK …(462)
OF GOD… 694
…Total = 1(156)

156 and 462 appear again.

Or if you bring ELS Bible Codes into the picture, and set your ELS Min. and Max range as 1 to ( 462 ), and you search for the “MARK” “OF GOD”, you will find the following.

MARK …912
OF GOD… 352
…Total = 1(444)

Here we find 444, and what coincidence since JESUS = 444!
The proceeding “1” implies one JESUS, just as the previous 1(156) implied there is only one GOD.

Or if you bring ELS Bible Codes into the picture, and set your ELS Min. and Max range as 1 to ( 156 ), and you search for the “WORD” “OF GOD”, you will find the following.

WORD …818
OF GOD … 626
…Total = 1(444)

Here again we find 444, and what coincidence since JESUS = 444!
Just as the previous, “1” implies one JESUS.

JESUS is the messiah, and so it seems to be no coincidence that both JESUS and MESSIAH = 444, therefore JESUS MESSIAH = 888. Now if you look at the KJV Old Testament, and set the ELS as 1 to ( 888 ) and then search for the words " THE GOD ", you will find these words 462 times, thus THE GOD is CHRIST since CHRIST = 462.

Or if you bring ELS Bible Codes into the picture, and set your ELS Min. and Max range as ( 156 ) to ( 888 ), and you search for the “JESUS” " CHRIST" “IS GOD”, you will find the following.

JESUS …18
CHRIST … 20
IS GOD … …118
…Total = (156)

Here again we find 156, GOD, when associated with the words JESUS CHRIST IS .

Is Jesus God? Well there are either plenty of coincidences, or this is saying YES.

 

[read_me]

and about of worshiping other gods,(saints,images of ‘jesus’ and other)
i just to show these verses from exodus 20:3-6.
i would not give any other “comments” like
others do, just read these! because i know
that you all have BRAINS to understand this.

EXODUS
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

thats all… thank you! hehehe

 

[NotWorthy]

Granted, a lot of people think that God is no smarter than the average man, and thus say that nothing can exist within the Bible that the average Joe blow can not see.

However, have a look at this. Using English Gematria, where A=6, B=12, C=18, D=24,…, Z=156, words can be converted into numbers.

…
Here again we find 156, GOD, when associated with the words JESUS CHRIST IS .

Is Jesus God? Well there are either plenty of coincidences, or this is saying YES.

Are you sure using numerology like this is going to prove anything? I mean, I agree that Jesus is God, but I don’t think that God waited 1600 years for the English language to develop before this little tid-bit was revealed.

 

[NotWorthy]

and about of worshiping other gods,(saints,images of ‘jesus’ and other)
i just to show these verses from exodus 20:3-6.
i would not give any other “comments” like
others do, just read these! because i know
that you all have BRAINS to understand this.

EXODUS
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

thats all… thank you! hehehe

read me, what did God ask Solomon to put in His Temple all over the walls and ceiling?

 

[JesuisSean]

Are you sure using numerology like this is going to prove anything? I mean, I agree that Jesus is God, but I don’t think that God waited 1600 years for the English language to develop before this little tid-bit was revealed.

No it is not going to prove anything, other than identify those who place beliefs ahead of truths.

 

[JesuisSean]

Most people are not interested in the truth. They choose beliefs instead. That is enough for them.

That is why people tend to believe what they see, thus seeing is believing. In my younger days I noticed that variable motion was absolutely impossible, while those around me believed that it simply IS, never mind whether or not it was possible. After analyzing motion, I eventually discovered that I was quite right indeed. Thus I had taken one so called “tid bit” observation, and turned it eventually into equations that by no luck were identical to the Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction equation, the Time Dilation equation, the Lorentz Transformation equations, and the Velocity Addition equation. What this Godly “tid bit” led to is sooooo huge that perhaps…, perhaps you are right…perhaps it is to be kept as an individuals accomplishment rather than it be shared with others.

 

[Canto]

and about of worshiping other gods,(saints,images of ‘jesus’ and other)

i just to show these verses from exodus 20:3-6.
i would not give any other “comments” like
others do, just read these! because i know
that you all have BRAINS to understand this.

EXODUS
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

thats all… thank you! hehehe

Catholic don’t worship Saints, anyone aside from the Godhead, images, even images of Jesus etc. So what then is your point?

What is a graven image? How do you define it? Is a crucifix a graven image bearing in mind that St Paul said we proclaim Christ crucified (1 Cor 1:23).

Catholic have statues of Jesus
Washington has statues of Presidents
My next door neighbour has sculptures and gnomes in her garden

Catholics have paintings of Jesus, Mary and the saints
Britain has paintings of kings and queens
I have photos of my family, even those who have passed away

 

[read_me]

Catholic don’t worship Saints, anyone aside from the Godhead, images, even images of Jesus etc. So what then is your point?

What is a graven image? How do you define it? Is a crucifix a graven image bearing in mind that St Paul said we proclaim Christ crucified (1 Cor 1:23).

Catholic have statues of Jesus
Washington has statues of Presidents
My next door neighbour has sculptures and gnomes in her garden

Catholics have paintings of Jesus, Mary and the saints
Britain has paintings of kings and queens
I have photos of my family, even those who have passed away

is that whats your idea about that? haha, then, you were confessed that catholics worshiping images of jesus and images…

“anyone aside from the Godhead, images, even images of Jesus etc.”

are you not aware in those? come on, but i think you do not know how other catholics worships in other countries, right? do you want evidence? visit here in the phil.! look what you want… having feasts for the saints and put them in a parade,is not worshiping them? the other statues or sculptures of jesus and other of your saints were having their “miracles”… like for example, an sculpture of mary that had goes out bloods in the eyes… and im not inventing stories, those were really happened and broadcast in the news. and other “miracles”… and do you know what they are doing? and believers will bring any handkerchief or any towel and rub it in the statues that is having “miracles”… and they believe that it can treat their sicknesses! so, the “miracle” is the only thing why others keep their faith to “god!” right? hehe

 

[NotWorthy]

is that whats your idea about that? haha, then, you were confessed that catholics worshiping images of jesus and images…

“anyone aside from the Godhead, images, even images of Jesus etc.”

Excuse me, but what did God instruct Solomon to place on the walls of the Temple? I think worshipping idols involves more than just building/painting them, wouldn’t you?

are you not aware in those? come on, but i think you do not know how other catholics worships in other countries, right? do you want evidence? visit here in the phil.! look what you want… having feasts for the saints and put them in a parade,is not worshiping them? the other statues or sculptures of jesus and other of your saints were having their “miracles”… like for example, an sculpture of mary that had goes out bloods in the eyes… and im not inventing stories, those were really happened and broadcast in the news. and other “miracles”… and do you know what they are doing? and believers will bring any handkerchief or any towel and rub it in the statues that is having “miracles”… and they believe that it can treat their sicknesses! so, the “miracle” is the only thing why others keep their faith to “god!” right? hehe

First of all, you think its idol worship and you think its funny? You’re a strange Christian if you find blasphemous things funny. I wouldn’t think that of any Christian, if I thought they were traveling down the wrong path.

Second of all, do you find it strange that miracles occur around statues of Mary? Do you find a difference between veneration and worship? I think the early Church Fathers saw a difference.

 

[Canto]

is that whats your idea about that? haha, then, you were confessed that catholics worshiping images of jesus and images…

“anyone aside from the Godhead, images, even images of Jesus etc.”

The first two sentences do not make any sense, sorry.

are you not aware in those? come on, but i think you do not know how other catholics worships in other countries, right? do you want evidence? visit here in the phil.! look what you want… having feasts for the saints and put them in a parade,is not worshiping them?

Catholics around the world worship the Godhead and the Godhead alone

Martin Luther King Day
Veterans day - soldiers marching, people clapping them

Teenage girls with new kids on the block posters all over their bedroom walls, and CDs/cassettes, merchandise and T-shirts and singing and screaming and clapping and…

the other statues or sculptures of jesus and other of your saints were having their “miracles”… like for example, an sculpture of mary that had goes out bloods in the eyes… and im not inventing stories, those were really happened and broadcast in the news. and other “miracles”… and do you know what they are doing?

You believe these things really happened?
How?

and believers will bring any handkerchief or any towel and rub it in the statues that is having “miracles”… and they believe that it can treat their sicknesses! so, the “miracle” is the only thing why others keep their faith to “god!” right? hehe

nope
The resurection could be classed as a miracle right?
The virgin birth? Bodily assencion into heaven?
Do you believe in God becuase of these miralce alone?

In Acts aren’t handkerchiefs and aprons used to heal the sick?

 

[jcrichton]

oh, yes! that was the answer i want to hear from you…
see? that’s whats catholics doing… they are just believing and not examining w/ understanding their own doctrines. especially defending teaching’s w/o understanding like what others and you doing. its that a doctrine?? believing one thing and the explanation you will get is “if you will not believe, you will not continue.” and also a doctrine that is a wonderful mystery and no one understands it… huhh???

I :bowdown2:
…to your wisdom… you’ve just proven that you are wiser than many, if not all, who came before you:

Hebrews 11
1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for. 3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. 4By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead…

6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him…

11By faith Abraham, even though he was past age—and Sarah herself was barren—was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own… Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death…

24By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a short time. 26He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel…

32And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets, 33who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection. 36Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison. 37They were stoned; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.

39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

…so which one of these lived by reason, and which one knew exactly what was in the Mind of God?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

CORRECTION TO LAST POST OF MINE:

Please be patient with me. All I said was I learned (and later found that St. Augustine teaches) that an assent to faith (in God’s divinity, for example) is necessary in order to arrive at understanding (of his divinity). That could be why some of the athiests on these forums are better off being prayed for rather than endlessly being argued with; for if they refuse to give their assent to God’s divinity, how on earth are they ever going to understand it? Maybe you haven’t discovered this need for one’s assent in order for one to proceed to understanding, but what St. Augustine wrote is congruent with what I found to be the case. Believe me, I went through such a dark night of faith in Oct. I literally had to choose to believe that Jesus died for me and is part of a loving Trinity of persons and ressurected. Soon afterwards I was able to regain my whole hearted understanding of these truths (truths I had always solemnly held throughout life). In Oct. (or sometime around that time) I accepted these teachings without having anything to go by other than a loving priest-friend’s word’s imploring me to at least believe Jesus died for me. None of it made sense, but afterwards it made all the sense in the world because I had chosen to believe when I did. If I did not give my assent to believe Jesus actually died for me back then in Oct. (or around then) I’d be hopelessly lost right now in my faith.

St. Paul made a similar statement of Faith in Hebrews 11–we cannot ever know God fully so it is a mystery to our finite beings how God can be Omniscient, Omnipotent, Almighty, Omnipresent and still chose to be known as the Holy Trinity… one of these Persons who took on flesh in order to Die for us and rescue us from damnation… to pretend to know God or to reason that a person must understand God is fallacy; Satan proved how deceitful that mindset is when he contorted Yahweh God’s Word and presented Eve with the treasures of Knowledge (“you will be as He…”); Faith is Hope in what we cannot comprehend while Trusting God’s Mercy and Love to Liberate us from ourselves and our finite being!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Does the Catholic concept of the Trinity suggest that Jesus and the Father are identical ?

While Christ did teach he and the Father were ONE … we also see other teachings where his will was ALWAYS in submission to the Father.

The Jews taught the son is the equal of the father … and they share all things in common. However, the Son was begat. The Son became man … while the Father did not. The Son died, while the Father did not. No one has seen the Father …yet many have seen Christ. Actually, John in Revelations describes the Father … an actual viewing for him, or a vision of God ? At anyrate, the Father and Son have different divine appearances.

Christ uses language in NT to suggest the Father has more knowledge that he does. Even Genesis speaks of God and the Spirit … but, not the Son.

Also, according to Christ we can only come to the Father … via the Son. And no one comes to the Son … unless its the Father’s Will.

Christ was clearly subservient to the Father while here on earth. However, this is probably obligatory, since Christ took on human flesh and was both human & divine. Christ came as prophet, priest, and King. He also taught he existed before Abraham, but didn’t say if he had a beginning apart from the Father.

Jehovah Witnesses claim the Father existed before the Son. And that the Son was ONLY human, a creation of God, and inferior to Him. Even Christ taught that Christians would be better off with the H.S. … than if he stayed on Earth. In otherwords, Christ taught the Father and the H.S. were in some ways superior. Again, probably only limited by his human nature … so now Christ has returned to the Father, he should be the full equal of both the Father & H.S.

Catholics explain the Trinity as one Entity … in 3 persons. Clearly each person in the Trinity has a different role.

You’ve answered some of your queries correctly… but you are still a bit off; Jesus is the Lamb of God; He is also the Son of God; yet, He is the Word which existed with God and is God from the Beginning; Yahweh reveals in the Old Testament that He Alone is God and that no other gods existed before Him nor after Him; yet, Yahweh, the Father, calls Jesus, the Son, God (Hebrews 1:1-13) and through the prophets it is revealed that Jesus is God (Isaiah 9:6-7; Malachi 3:1).

In your haste you have made statements and have absorved a mixture of theology which is flawed… interestingly enough, the point you’ve made about the Holy Spirit was a determining factor that caused a schism in the Church (Roman and Easter/Orthodox); we maintain that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son… Jesus touched on this when He stated adamantly that He had to return to the Father otherwise He could not send the Holy Spirit to the Church; this, however, does not mean that the Holy Spirit had power over Jesus or that the Father was a greater God–quite the contrary, He, Jesus, was the One who would send the other Paraclete onto the world for, as St. John the Baptist stated, “He will Baptize in the Holy Spirit.”

Further, we know that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, the Father, and the Spirit of God, the Son:

Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:10
but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.”

1 Thessalonians 4:8
Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 10:29
How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

1 John 4:2
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

Philippians 1:19
Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.

1 Peter 1:11
trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

Man can say that he does not understand the Mystery of the Holy Trinity and all of the other Divine Mysteries; yet, he cannot claim ignorance as a shield for rejection of God!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

i thought you were religious and reading the bible… now, you were asking jesus father? is that enough the fact that the father or the creator is the only true god? and his son jesus sent him to earth just what was in the bible? and being the creator of all things, isn’t it possible or true that the holy spirit you had said was also sent by the father??

…but which Creator are you talking about, Yahweh God, the Father, or Yeshua, the Son, who is the Creator of all that exists–nothing that exists was not Created by Christ for all has been Created by Him and for Him!:

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. (Colossians 1:15-20)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Readme, you have absolutely no idea! If you did have an idea you would know that catholics DO NOT WORSHIP saints, images of jesus and cult images??? gees your digging yourself into a massive hole here. We pray through the saints, for their intercession to god! we ask for their assistance and help, they arre channels to grace and not the source of grace!

tell me readme, where does it say anywhere in the bible that something has to be in the bible for it to be true? did not st paul say that we are to believe in the written and oral traditions of the church? why did our lord breath on the disciples and give them the power to forgive/loose sins if all he wanted them to do was write the bible? did not the church come before the bible? (your answer to this will be interesting as it will test your knowledge of history and your honesty i might add)

your cutting and pasting from incorrect websites is painfully obvious! and by the way, you are trying to pose yourself as a christian but you are reading material from secular sources? huh? they would obviously have their own agenda…poor researching and poor understanding of the scriptures is all you have demonstarted here readme.

Hi, Louie!

I do not think that it has to do as much with ignorance (just look at how many “Catholics” voted for a man that rose to fame by killing babies in their mother’s wombs) as much as it has to do with rejecting the Church’s Authority… which means rejecting Jesus’s Authority… which means rejecting God altogether.

St. Jude spoke about them, as did Kephas, these men know they are defying God and they are bent on going all the way! (St. Jude 1:12-13)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

and about of worshiping other gods,(saints,images of ‘jesus’ and other)
i just to show these verses from exodus 20:3-6.
i would not give any other “comments” like
others do, just read these! because i know
that you all have BRAINS to understand this.

EXODUS
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

thats all… thank you! hehehe

readmore, did not Yahweh God Command Moses to create Cherubs?:

17 "Make an atonement cover [c] of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. [d] 18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. 21 Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you. 22 There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the Testimony, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites. (Exodus 25:17-22)

You cannot tell the difference a Sacramental and and idol… no wonder you are so confused!

May the Holy Spirit enlighten your mind and your heart so that humility and love replaces what you are now nursing!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Most people are not interested in the truth. They choose beliefs instead. That is enough for them.

That is why people tend to believe what they see, thus seeing is believing. In my younger days I noticed that variable motion was absolutely impossible, while those around me believed that it simply IS, never mind whether or not it was possible. After analyzing motion, I eventually discovered that I was quite right indeed. Thus I had taken one so called “tid bit” observation, and turned it eventually into equations that by no luck were identical to the Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction equation, the Time Dilation equation, the Lorentz Transformation equations, and the Velocity Addition equation. What this Godly “tid bit” led to is sooooo huge that perhaps…, perhaps you are right…perhaps it is to be kept as an individuals accomplishment rather than it be shared with others.

…I think that you’ve touched on the actual origin of it all: Godly!

He reveals Himself through nature, even in the mathematical and geometrical equation that orchestrates the beautiful complexity and simplicity of the snow flake…

He made Himself known to the Magis through that which they studied… so it does not surpise me that you may have found yourself playing in the Field of the Lord even without seeking Him!

…remember, that when you are given a talent you must put it to use… I suggest to you that you must continue to share your findings… perhaps you must start a different thread to fully expand on your findings… Jesus never gives up on us and He expects us to Stand!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

is that whats your idea about that? haha, then, you were confessed that catholics worshiping images of jesus and images…

“anyone aside from the Godhead, images, even images of Jesus etc.”

are you not aware in those? come on, but i think you do not know how other catholics worships in other countries, right? do you want evidence? visit here in the phil.! look what you want… having feasts for the saints and put them in a parade,is not worshiping them? the other statues or sculptures of jesus and other of your saints were having their “miracles”… like for example, an sculpture of mary that had goes out bloods in the eyes… and im not inventing stories, those were really happened and broadcast in the news. and other “miracles”… and do you know what they are doing? and believers will bring any handkerchief or any towel and rub it in the statues that is having “miracles”… and they believe that it can treat their sicknesses! so, the “miracle” is the only thing why others keep their faith to “god!” right? hehe

Can you be more dense?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Martin Luther King Day
Veterans day - soldiers marching, people clapping them

Teenage girls with new kids on the block posters all over their bedroom walls, and CDs/cassettes, merchandise and T-shirts and singing and screaming and clapping and…

…these things are OK because they exalt man above God; they only problem this person has is with Christ–he/she wants Christ to be seen as some guy-friday created to amuse God!

Maran atha!

Angel