Is Jesus God?

[elvisman]

In this post of yours, you speak only of two things: Replacement Theology and Greek Mythology. You know very well that a man being born of god with a woman is Greek Mythology. Read about Greek Mythology if you don’t know the etimology of the term.

ONE LAST TIME:
Show me the Greek mythological story that points to Jesus.

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[Ben_Masada]

Is this why the Pharisees chastised Him for healing on the Sabbath (1)?

 

[Ben_Masada]

I have meant to answer this before. The golden rule as intended The ethic of reciprocity, more commonly known as the Golden Rule, is an ethical code that states one has a right to just treatment, and a responsibility to ensure justice for others. Jesus was just. The rule is never broken when the truth is being spoken. If you are being a hypocrite than it is right and just to tell you so. Now if this is not so, everytime you post you break the law.

**Great! Jesus came, was under all the laws, with the mission to fulfill ALL of them down to the letter, but not the Golden Rule which is, by the way, the bottom line of all the Laws put together. This, he could break and still be just. What you have said above is absolutely to contradict Jesus of all that he said in Matthew 5:17-19. **

 

[Ben_Masada]

My ancestors on my father’s side were Hebrews who converted to Christianity during time of persecution.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Jesus also said the following:
John 8:58
****“I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.”

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**John 10:30). **
“I and the Father are one”

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Isaiah said this about him:** **
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (Immanuel means, “God is with us”)

Thank you Elvisman, you have just confirmed that the NT is loaded with contradictions.

 

[Ben_Masada]

ONE LAST TIME:
Show me the Greek mythological story that points to Jesus.
If you can’t, you justy another angry ignorant, bag of hot air.

You spew venom at Cristianity day after day - but with no substance. Try - at least, to say something of substance, because you appear to know absolutely nothing of the Christianity that you hate so much.

Read John 1:14 and stop yourself from being the moron that you are by denying that God incarnated as a man and was impregnated in the womb of a woman is not Greek Mythology. Why don’t you take this message to the Greeks? Judaism has no place for this trash. Why don’t you at least deny that Jesus was Jewish? It would make much easier for me to understand your ignorance.

 

[Canto]

Read John 1:14 and stop yourself from being the moron that you are by denying that God incarnated as a man and was impregnated in the womb of a woman is not Greek Mythology. Why don’t you take this message to the Greeks? Judaism has no place for this trash. Why don’t you at least deny that Jesus was Jewish? It would make much easier for me to understand your ignorance.

Next I guess you’ll be telling us the stories of the garden and the serpent and the flood come from Mesopatanian mythology.

The Mesopotanians even had a legend dealing with the conflict between farmers and shepherds similar to that between Cain and Abel.

 

[NotWorthy]

Notworthy:

Is this why the Pharisees chastised Him for healing on the Sabbath (1)?

You are so way off reality, that by believing in the lies of the Hellenistic Gentiles who wrote the Gospels, you get Jesus in a situation of a transgressor of the Law, which would put him in contradiction with his own words as a liar too. (Mat. 5:18,19) To heal on the Sabbath, even if it took work to do so is a mitzvah that overides the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy. This only shows that the Gentiles who wrote the gospels were stupid morons as the Jewish laws were concerned.

Ah, Ben, you simply kill me! You sound like the pot calling the kettle black when you say, “You are so way off reality”! That’s a good one!!

How in the world is healing on the Sabbath not holy? Jesus could not be healing on the Sabbath if it was not holy. I mean, one could not do supernatural things without the backings of the Supernatural.**
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[elvisman]

Thank you Elvisman, you have just confirmed that the NT is loaded with contradictions.

Then, please show me where.
To those ignorant of the Ccriptures, there seem to be many contradictions in the Old and New Testaments. You simply don’t understand Scripture.

 

[twb1621]

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TWB: ****

Perhaps you don’t even know what NAB stands for, because not even a word of my views are written in the NAB. They come straight from the Book of Acts. You are frustrated because I have surprised you with something you thought you knew..

That’s the point, why should yuor views be written anywhere?

I can’t deny frustration with someone of another belief system who insists they know Christianity better than Christians. Your ego preceeds you in this regard. Your problem is you mistake Catholicism with those “Christian Faiths” that insist Paul is the founder of Christianity to support their denial of Peter’s authority and apostolic succession through the papacy. So your debates have no substance Ben. Further, you deny openly the
Legitimacy of your own Faith’s heritage so you have more issues to clear up with your own beliefs before trying to tackle Christianity. If you believe at all that Jesus is to be honored or respected in any capacity, you will have to deal with His proclamations or consider Him less than honest. That is your choices. That is unless you have credible proof that all of the ancient documents and historical scripts are fraudulent except yours.

 

[elvisman]

Read John 1:14 and stop yourself from being the moron that you are by denying that God incarnated as a man and was impregnated in the womb of a woman is not Greek Mythology. Why don’t you take this message to the Greeks? Judaism has no place for this trash. Why don’t you at least deny that Jesus was Jewish? It would make much easier for me to understand your ignorance.

Ehhhh!!
Sorry buddy - you lose.
I have asked you time and again on 2 different threads to provide the Greek myth that points to Jesus and you have once again failed.

You are full of accusations but not a lot of proof. You’re just anbothet angry anti-Christian - nothing more.

PS - Name-calling is against forum rules. Try a little self-control . . .

 

[Ben_Masada]

Next I guess you’ll be telling us the stories of the garden and the serpent and the flood come from Mesopatanian mythology.

The Mesopotanians even had a legend dealing with the conflict between farmers and shepherds similar to that between Cain and Abel.

No Canto, you are the one telling those things not me. What I say about Creation is in my thread, “The Double Allegory of Creation.” Take a look at it.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ah, Ben, you simply kill me! You sound like the pot calling the kettle black when you say, “You are so way off reality”! That’s a good one!!

How in the world is healing on the Sabbath not holy? Jesus could not be healing on the Sabbath if it was not holy. I mean, one could not do supernatural things without the backings of the Supernatural.**
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**Instead of reacting sarchastic, why don’t you prove to me that Jesus broke the Sabbath without repeating the lies of the Greeks who wrote the gospels?

You were the one who tried to make me believe that Jesus was criticized for healing on the Sabbath. He was not and here is a real Jew telling you this and not a hyphenated fake Jew. I wish Jesus had done all his cures on the Sabbath to sanctify it all the more.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

Then, please show me where.
To those ignorant of the Ccriptures, there seem to be many contradictions in the Old and New Testaments. You simply don’t understand Scripture.

**You are the one who understands Scriptures as much as a toad understands
Asthronomy. To show here the contradictions of the NT, I would have to spend hundreds of posts. If you understand what is to work in terms of percentages, I find only 20 percent of the whole of the NT which I could call something worthy believing. The other 80 percent, about 50 percent are contradictions of the Hellenistic Gentiles who tried to write about Judaism, and about 30 percent are made out of pious forgeries interpolated by the Church in the 4th Century.

If you really want to get startled, read my thread about, “Were There Two Different Jesus?” and try to answer it if you understand what I am talking about. I think this thread is in the Non-Catholic Section.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;5854454:

I can’t deny frustration with someone of another belief system who insists they know Christianity better than Christians. Your ego preceeds you in this regard. Your problem is you mistake Catholicism with those “Christian Faiths” that insist Paul is the founder of Christianity to support their denial of Peter’s authority and apostolic succession through the papacy. So your debates have no substance Ben. Further, you deny openly the
Legitimacy of your own Faith’s heritage so you have more issues to clear up with your own beliefs before trying to tackle Christianity. If you believe at all that Jesus is to be honored or respected in any capacity, you will have to deal with His proclamations or consider Him less than honest. That is your choices. That is unless you have credible proof that all of the ancient documents and historical scripts are fraudulent except yours.

**Don’t you guys here, in fact almost everyone, claim to know about Judaism better than Jews? Now, take it or leave it. I mistake no one about being Paul the founder of Christianity. I am taking it directly from the Book of Acts. You neither want to aknowledge it or explain Acts chapter 11, whose verse 26 tells me that Christians started with Paul. Peter had nothing to do with Christianity neither had the other Apostles. The Nazarenes and Christians were two very opposite Sects. Being one Jewish and the other Hellenistic.

My beliefs are based in the Scriptures. Mine is Biblical Judaism. Therefore, I have nothing to clarify with none. And regarding honoring Jesus for whom he was, I do it much better than you, thank you. I claim Jesus for whom he was, and you by what Greeks claim about him. You even deny his identity with Hellenistic claims about him. Do you call this honor? I didn’t think so. And all my credible proofs are in your own NT. That’s where resides your frustration that you cannot refute without having to dig for more and more contradictions.**

 

[NotWorthy]

Again, do you see what I mean how stupid of Jewish culture they were? If one is out and hungry on the Sabbath, he is allowed to pick up fruits or whatever he finds in the field and eat. He just can’t pick whatever he wants and brings home or wherever.

My point, my brother, is that one could not walk more than 2000 meters on a Sabbath. If Jesus is walking through the fields, its not hard to imagine that they exceeded that amount.

Good! Now, as you believe those Greeks who dared to write about Judaism, will be caught lying too if you ever claim again that Jesus was perfect and sinless. Don’t forget he came to fulfill the Law down to the letter.

And He fulfilled it as a sinless and perfect person.

And how can you say that he died for the sins of others if he was himself full of sins? And how do you know that he ate with prostitutes? That he ate with Mary Magdalene is a fact; but she was no longer a prostitute. She had become his wife, if I must remind you.

She did not become his wife, my brother. Its sort of hypocritical to quote apochryphal writings in order to disprove writings that you alone feel are apochryphal. Jesus ate with Tax collectors and prostitutes in Matthew’s Gospel as well as Luke’s.

Appended: Ah, it looks like He ate with tax collectors and sinners. That doesn’t change the point. Jesus, was not the loyal Jew Who obeyed the 611 (now 614) tenants of the Mosaic Law simply because He preferred to follow the Will of God.

Why don’t you quote which liar said that Jesus touched a leper without going through the purification laws? I bet you don’t kow that he was the first one to tell the healed to fufill the laws of purification.

Ah, but I bet I did know that. Of the two incidences that come to mind, Jesus healed 10 lepers and told them to go be purified. But in a separate incident, early in each of the Synoptics, Jesus healed a single leper, one who simply wanted to be made clean, and never was it mentioned that Jesus went through the purification process.

You certainly must be confusing him with Paul. This was the one who danced to a different tune, as the Jewish laws were concern.

except for the fact that I’ve shown you numerous “violations” of your meticulous laws.

Not so fast! I think the warped mind here is yours for confusing our God with Zeus and Jesus with Paul.

No, Zeus was a mythical god of the Greeks (Jupiter to the Romans) and Jesus is Lord and God! I’ve think I’ve got that nailed down pretty good.

That’s what I said in the beginning of this reply, you are totally off thrack with even your own NT. Jesus left it very clear that he had not come to abolish anything of the Law, but to confirm the “Old Covenant” down to the letter. (Mat. 5:17-19)

He meant to Fulfill it, or consummate. It is consummated, with or without you, and it is fulfilled in the New Covenant.

 

[twb1621]

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They did preach the gospel of Jesus, but not the one of Paul… (Acts 21:20)

It would be highly beneficial for you to read the whole New Testament instead of what you wish to refer to.
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I think I have made this abaundantly clear already. Why don’t you read the whole chpater 11 of Acts? Try without Catholic preconceived notions…

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**Ben, In all truthfulness, my “notions” as you refer to them that converted me devoutly to Jesus through Catholicism, unfortunately for you, are not preconceived at all. I have researched Christianity for the last six years and will continue to do so. With 25 years of investigative research experience my sources are many and of a professional and non-biased nature. I also refer to the findings and determinations of many scholars in their own respective fields of study who have served throughout history many of which have served in groups or committees far beyond your comprehension. That is how I learned Catholicism is the true Church of Jesus. Unfortunately, I had to prove it to myself over my own misguided doubts. So you are one among a million who have their own opinions and your abundantly clear biased and misguided opinions are mute. Not trying to insult you, but rather being completely truthful. **
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They were called Nazarenes. They became Christians after Paul spent a whole year there preaching about Jesus as Christ. Read the context. I think you guys are afraid to read even your own NT, if the Church is not pulling the strings. That’s sad!

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**You are in the wrong pew Ben… **
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We are talking about Acts 11:26 and not about what you have said.

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**Scripture does not consist of only one Chapter or verse nor does it begin or end there, and they must all form as one teaching. I previously responded to Acts and raised others supporting its place in the teachings of Christ. **
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At least, you are not afraid to show weakness. What you are saying is, "Please, let me go; oh! gosh! Why did I pick his post for a reply? Now, I am in trouble. Cool it man! Don’t worry. Isaiah says in 2:2,3 that when Gentiles need instructions in the Word of God, the address is Zion, the Jewish People. You are speaking with someone of the same Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism.

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You’re funny Ben, you have a humongous ego. I am speaking with someone who denies His true Jewish religious Heritage but demands acknowledgment as part of the saving body of Messiah. You still haven’t explained Why God would make so many proclamations throughout scripture saying He would send a Messiah, a savior to save Israel from its corruption but according to you make Israel its own Messiah, which you are one of. Gosh, please explain.

I know that it was Barnabas who went after Paul. They used to be friends from youth. The point though is that the disciples were called Nazarenes and not Christians; with Paul, they turned into Christians. How can this be so hard to understand?

Ok Ben, try and understand in referring to them as Christians it is not to say they were called by that name at that time, but it is what they became know as. Like in the reference to Jews and Israelites? Get the idea? You’re all hung on nationalities instead of beliefs. They didn’t “turn into Christians” like some kind of metamorphosis, they became KNOWN as Christians just as Paul and eventually all followers of Christ did. It was not “because of” Paul.
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Of course! You never read your NT. Things like that are not in the Catechism. My source? The Book of Acts; have you ever heard about this book? It is found between the gospel of John and the Letter to the Romans.

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Don’t get frustrated Ben, you helped me get over my frustration and I thank you for that. Now any person would have to be delusional to come up with all the stories I have read from what you claim to get out of Acts. I am asking what else you are referring to because there are many suppositions available out there in the big wide world and many are nothing but individual theories of which you have latched on to one of them.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ehhhh!!
Sorry buddy - you lose.
**I have asked you time and again on 2 different **threads to provide the Greek myth that points to Jesus and you have once again failed.

You are full of accusations but not a lot of proof. You’re just anbothet angry anti-Christian - nothing more.

PS - Name-calling is against forum rules. Try a little self-control . . .

ONE LAST TIME:
Show me the Greek mythological story that points to Jesus.
If you can’t, you justy another angry ignorant, bag of hot air.

Can you identify who wrote theses statements above in post #757? The name is Elvisman. I wonder if he knew that name-calling is against forum rules. I NEVER go off line in my dealing with anyone here before I am dealt the way you name-call me with these kinds of ad hominems. I usually either report or feel that I have been given the license to pay back with the same coin.

 

[twb1621]

Ben_Masada:
Ben, one simple question;

If as you say the Messiah is Israel, and you are part of the Messiahship, why would God make so many proclamations throughout scripture saying He would send a Messiah, a savior to save Israel from its corruption but make Israel its own Messiah?

 

[Ben_Masada]

My point, my brother, is that one could not walk more than 2000 meters on a Sabbath. If Jesus is walking through the fields, its not hard to imagine that they exceeded that amount.