Is Jesus God?

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Ben_Masada said:
Prove to me that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were not married, for I have quite a few that he was. In fact, why don’t you read my thread, “The Wedding of Jesus”?
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You cannot prove a negative. You cannot prove something did not happen. I have read your thread and you had no proof. The logic of it was nonexistent.
 
Ben_Masada said:
**Instead of reacting sarchastic, why don’t you prove to me that Jesus broke the Sabbath without repeating the lies of the Greeks who wrote the gospels?

You were the one who tried to make me believe that Jesus was criticized for healing on the Sabbath. He was not and here is a real Jew telling you this and not a hyphenated fake Jew. I wish Jesus had done all his cures on the Sabbath to sanctify it all the more.**
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Brother, all I’ve got to go on is the New Testament Scriptures. Remember, one of those was written by Matthew, a Jew. Another one was written by John, a Jew.

Now, for all of my brothers on this thread, that’s good enough. But for you…
 
Ben_Masada said:
**Behold! NotWorthy bases his decisions of faith on imaginations. He has even counted how many meters Jesus walked on the fields. And he accuses the Pharisees of being like him: Walking after Jesus with a metric tape measuring how many meters Jesus had walked on the Sabbath. Faith never ceases amasing me!**Hmmm… that would be consistent with all the other things those nit-pickers did. You can’t heal that man on the Sabbath, its forbidden! Get Real, Ben! That’s cutting off your nose to spite your face!
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Ben_Masada said:
And all of sudden you have forgotten that Matthew 5:17-19 is not composed of only verse 17. Read 18 and 19 too, without trying to play dishonst trick with your partner-in-discussion
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No, I haven’t forgotten. None of those Scriptures refute my point.
Ben_Masada said:
Prove to me that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were not married, for I have quite a few that he was. In fact, why don’t you read my thread, “The Wedding of Jesus”?
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They weren’t married. Period. All you have is some apochryphal writings that surfaced in the 2nd century. Adn I really am not too enthused to read your thread, “the Wedding of Jesus”.
Ben_Masada said:
**In that case, you are definitely telling me that he was a liar, because he declared that he came to fulfill all the Law down to the letter. (Mat. 5:17-19)**No, Ben. I called no one a liar - not even you.
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Ben_Masada said:
Listen to this, NotWorthy, and see how transparent you are: You say, “And never was it mentioned that Jesus went through the purification process.” Now, I am all ears to hear NotWorthy telling me where in his NT I can find a statement saying that Jesus
was not Married to Mary Magdalene. In fact, I will be satisfied with a shorter statement to the effect that “Jesus was never married.” Go ahead NotWorthy.
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Well, we have Scriptures that the VAST majority hold as the truth. And then we have some writings that only a very small minority accept as even remotely true.

Transparency? Thy names seems to be Ben Masada! 😉
Ben_Masada said:
Not that pretty good my friend, if you don’t tell me according to who was Jesus God and Lord. Not according to Jesus himself, I tell you, because he declared that God is absolutely One and the Only Lord. (Mar. 12:29) Not according to Isaiah, because he says that God is One and there is no other. And none can be compared to Him. (Isa. 46:6) If not according to your imagination, it must have been according to Paul, a Hellenistic apostate from Judaism.
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Jesus says that He and the Father are one. I’m not sure about your Hellenistic apostacy. I just know Scripture.

Here is another instance when I make myself all ears to hear that to fulfill something is to consumate. If you are right with the meaning of fulfilled being consumate, I can see where you are coming from: Paul, who understood fulfilled with being abolished. (Ephe. 2:15) In that case you have made of Jesus a stupid student of Grammar, because when he said, I have come to fulfill, he explained his fulfilling of the Laws, by saying to all his listeners, who were Jews, that if anyone did not do the same by fulfilling and teaching all the laws down to the letter, he or she would not be worthy the Kingdom of God. That’s in Matthew 5:18,19 that all Christians, including Catholics take a point at hiding. Why? Just to be on the side of Paul’s policy of Replacement Theology.
 
Ben_Masada said:
Can you identify who wrote theses statements above in post #757? The name is Elvisman. I wonder if he knew that name-calling is against forum rules. I NEVER go off line in my dealing with anyone here before I am dealt the way you name-call me with these kinds of ad hominems. I usually either report or feel that I have been given the license to pay back with the same coin.
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First of all - I didn’t call you anything.
I said that IF you cannot answer my responses and simply throw out accusations - THEN you’re an angry, ignorant bag of hot wind.

**You called me a "moron" - flat out. That is name-calling and it is based on your frustration that people are finally taking you to task on your ignorant, angry posts. We will not tolerate your ad hominem attacks and baseless assaults on our faith.
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You can’t answer the simplest of questions concerning your venemous rants - and you call ME a moron . . . :rolleyes:
 
adrift said:
ad hominem attacks always prove the person making them as being in the wrong.
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How do you answer to ad hominems? Did you read what he said about me first in his post 757? Sometimes I respond by reporting it, but sometimes one is tempted to pay back in the same coin. You know I have learned a lot about this from you. And since then, I have reported a few. But I think credibilities are also affected with too frequent reports.
 
Ben_Masada said:
**Great! Jesus came, was under all the laws, with the mission to fulfill ALL of them down to the letter, but not the Golden Rule which is, by the way, the bottom line of all the Laws put together. This, he could break and still be just. What you have said above is absolutely to contradict Jesus of all that he said in Matthew 5:17-19. **
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Please read carefully

commonly known as the Golden Rule, is an ethical code that states one has a right to just treatment, and a responsibility to ensure justice for others.** Jesus was just.** The rule is never broken when the truth is being spoken. If you are being a hypocrite than it is right and just to tell you so. Now if this is NOTso, every time you post you break the law.
 
twb1621 said:
Ben, one simple question;

If as you say the Messiah is Israel, and you are part of the Messiahship, why would God make so many proclamations throughout scripture saying He would send a Messiah, a savior to save Israel from its corruption but make Israel its own Messiah?
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My answer to this question of yours is in my thread, “Messiah ben Joseph versus Messiah ben David.” It explains it down to details. I recommend it to you.It is in the Non-Catholic section.
 
adrift said:
You cannot prove a negative. You cannot prove something did not happen. I have read your thread and you had no proof. The logic of it was nonexistent.
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You claim that Jesus was NOT married. I am asking you to prove to me the written statement that he was not married. If you can’t, you cannot state that he was not married. Just let the evidences speak for themselves. I have stated a few of them in my thread, "The Wedding of Jesus."
 
Ben_Masada said:
How do you answer to ad hominems? Did you read what he said about me first in his post 757? Sometimes I respond by reporting it, but sometimes one is tempted to pay back in the same coin. You know I have learned a lot about this from you. And since then, I have reported a few. But I think credibilities are also affected with too frequent reports.
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I agree with you Ben it takes a lot to not answer in kind. I also agree with you on the credibility issue. I find myself erasing a lot of what I write because it is unnecessary to say. Even in this post that is the case. You always loose when you post negatively. He lost and you lost. What is the purpose of posting? Some like to just win. Some like to just attack. Some like to promote understanding. Some to defend. The best postings are those of learning the reasoning of others. You don’t have to agree but you should have understanding.
ONE LAST TIME:
Show me the Greek mythological story that points to Jesus.
If you can’t, you justy another angry ignorant, bag of hot air.
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You spew venom at Cristianity day after day - but with no substance. Try - at least, to say something of substance, because you appear to know absolutely nothing of the Christianity that you hate so much.
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It would have been better if he would have left out that second sentence and the next paragraph. This does not rise to be reported just like your answer doesn’t rise to being reported.
 
Ben, its wonderful to attend daily mass to ponder and meditate on your great words, as well as to give thanks to God. While doing that, I dwelt on this pearl of wisdom
Ben_Masada said:
Listen to this, NotWorthy, and see how transparent you are: You say, “And never was it mentioned that Jesus went through the purification process.” Now, I am all ears to hear NotWorthy telling me where in his NT I can find a statement saying that Jesus
was not Married to Mary Magdalene. In fact, I will be satisfied with a shorter statement to the effect that “Jesus was never married.” Go ahead NotWorthy.
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One can safely assume that Jesus did not seek purification (other than the obvious reasons of God not needing man to purify Him),
Mark tells us:
44 ****** Then he said to him, "See that you tell no one anything, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer for your cleansing what Moses prescribed; that will be proof for them."*** 45 ****** The man went away and began to publicize the whole matter. He spread the report abroad so that it was impossible for Jesus to enter a town openly. He remained outside in deserted places, and people kept coming to him from everywhere***.
It would seem that Jerusalem would not be one of the “deserted places” that Jesus went to. It would seem impossible for Jesus to go anywhere to get purified after the leper spread the word.
 
NotWorthy said:
Brother, all I’ve got to go on is the New Testament Scriptures. Remember, one of those was written by Matthew, a Jew. Another one was written by John, a Jew.

Now, for all of my brothers on this thread, that’s good enough. But for you…
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Jews do not write about Greek Mythology as part of Judaism. The writers attributed those gospels to Matthew and John respectively, but they were Hellenistic Gentiles former disciples of Paul.
 
Ben_Masada said:
twb1621;5865617:
**What makes you think I have not read your NT? Aren’t you checking my quotations in the NT? **
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If you can’t discuss something without having to pull the Church’s tentacles in, it is because they are preconceived notions.

I cannot accept this as an honest statement because I am going to leave you laughing at me. It is illogic. Everything religious person cannot discuss on religious subject without pre-conceived notions.

Your references to Scholars is just another way to say that you have ruminating on food alread chewed by other. I am more interested in your understanding of the Scriptures than on what others have put in your mouth to speak.

Jesus never had a church. Jesus was Jewish. He used to gather in synagogues and not in churches. You might be confusing him with Paul.

And another among a million is yourself, because you cannot debate a Protestant, for example, without Catholic pre-conceived notions. Don’t pretend you are clear of a biased attitude, because you know yourself that’s a cop-out.

No, you haven’t. You haven’t give me a single acceptable explanation that makes sense. Just tell me why Christians were called Christians first in Antioch. And before Acts 11:26, they were called by another name. WHY the change???

Do you see what you do? Show me a quote stating that God has so many proclamations throught the Scriptures saying that He would send a Messiah or a savior to save Israel? Go ahead. Don’t throw me that of “so many” if you don’t have a single one.

WHY? Why did they become know as Christians first in Antioch? You know, but the Church’s tentacles are too tight on you. You cannot realease that key-word.

**So, why don’t you tell me why? Why is it so hard to get this out of your throat? If it was not because of Paul, why did they started been called Christians first in Antioch? **

As I can see, you want me to take you off the hook. Well, what can I do more than I have done? You are a free man if you have to be forced at anything by me. Enough that you are not "free.'
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Ben_Masada said:
My answer to this question of yours is in my thread, “Messiah ben Joseph versus Messiah ben David.” It explains it down to details. I recommend it to you.It is in the Non-Catholic section.
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I have an adversity to fiction.
 
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