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**Oh please… **
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That’s on the Last Judgement, when he judges everyone according to what he is has done. That doesn’t claim that Jesus Christ’s body and soul are everywhere.
He is physcially in Heaven sitting on the Right Hand of God. He is also in the Tabernacle.
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So you don’t believe the Creed? Wow… we have a heretic in the Catholic Church.
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Where in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that states that Jesus Christ is everywhere?
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so you don’t believe in St. Matthew 25:31-46… we have a heretic in the Church…
again i say:
***Oh Please!! ***
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Oh please is not a very good response. You better explain yourself how Jesus could be everywhere.
The Catholic doctrine believe that Jesus suffer, died, and was buried for three days. He rise from the dead, and ascended into heaven. Second, the Catholic Church teaches the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist and he is also kept in the Tabernacle for adoration and worshipped.
You should come up with deeper theological explanation to support your claim.
I tell you, you teached something contrary to what the Catholic Church teaches.
I also suggest you read PART ONE: THE PROFESSION OF FAITH: SECTION TWO: THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH: CHAPTER TWOI BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD: Article Six (Found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church).
If you could explain it yourself, perhaps I won’t call you a heretic.
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As for Matthew 25:31-46, that verse pertains to taking care of those who are hungry, naked, in prison, thirsty, etc. When we treat people this way, we see Jesus Christ them. But that does not make them Jesus Christ. His real presence is not in us. The Real Presence is only found in the Eucharist. Perhaps, I could grant you the spiritual presence in Christ amongst us. That I can accept, but to declare that Jesus’ Real Presence is everywhere. Well, I think that itself is very heretical and that verse refers when the Son of Man comes in glory and will separate the good and the bad.
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you can call me anything you want… doesn’t change waht i am… a child of God… loved by Jesus…
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i know you are not talking to me… i never said Jesus was "everywhere’…
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Wow, you really do not want to explain your brand of theology. You could at least provide a Scripture passage or a quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or some sort of explanation.
I will tell you, your claim that Jesus is still on the cross contradicts what the Catholic Church teaches.
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If you call me a heretic, you are calling Jesus a heretic… (St. Matthew 25:31-46)
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i am on a cross… other Catholics are on a cross… anyone who follows Jesus is on a cross… therefore, Jesus is on the cross.
being called heretics and everything else…
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I didn’t call Jesus a heretic. I called you a heretic.
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Second, what was the point of you recommending me to read Matthew 25:31-46, anyways?
I merely saying that Jesus is presence is in the Tabernacle in the local Catholic Churches, and He is also in heaven sitting at the Right Hand of God, the Father.
Anything doctrine that proclaims his real presence is everywhere contrary to Catholic doctrine.
I also stated that he is not on the cross anymore. He is risen.
I merely saying that Jesus is presence is in the Tabernacle in the local Catholic Churches, and He is also in heaven sitting at the Right Hand of God, the Father.
Anything doctrine that proclaims his real presence is everywhere contrary to Catholic doctrine.
I also stated that he is not on the cross anymore. He is risen.
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Excellent question!i would like to hear your answer to this question…
Thanks…
The answer is Yes, but it is necessary to understand the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ in order to understand why the answer is Yes. You see, though the Passion was an one-time event that can never be repeated, the Sacrifice which has made all other sacrifices unnecessary and has won for mankind the gift of salvation, it is, in fact, an eternal Sacrifice, that is, a Sacrifice that spans all the way back to the beginning and all the way forward to the end of time. Because of this, Jesus, who is now in Heaven, must continue to be on the Cross, offering Himself to the Eternal Father. However, unlike the bloody Sacrifice He had to endur at Calvary, the heavenly Sacrifice is unbloody. Rather than His Blood being shed, His Blood is instead offered to the Father by the saints, who proffer their merits to God, covered in His Blood. The saints, on Earth too (us), also offer Jesus’ Blood to the Father in atonement and in reparation for the sins of many. Now, we not only offer Jesus to the Father at the Mass (this Sacrifice is the one and same Sacrifice in heaven, for the earthly Liturgy is a reflection of the heavenly Liturgy) in light of the Sacrament of Holy Oreers, but we also offer Him to the Father in light of the Royal Priesthood. That is, the Priest offers Jesus in the Eucharist to the Father and all the faithful offer His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity to the Father. I hope this adequently answers your prayers, and if there is anything missing or incorrect, please correct me.
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Um, the sacrifice of cross is once and for all. The only sacrifice that remains is unbloody sacrifice of the Mass. At the Mass, Jesus is not crucified over and over again. His sacrifice is made presence before us. Not the other way around.Excellent question!
The answer is Yes, but it is necessary to understand the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ in order to understand why the answer is Yes. You see, though the Passion was an one-time event that can never be repeated, the Sacrifice which has made all other sacrifices unnecessary and has won for mankind the gift of salvation, it is, in fact, an eternal Sacrifice, that is, a Sacrifice that spans all the way back to the beginning and all the way forward to the end of time. Because of this, Jesus, who is now in Heaven, must continue to be on the Cross, offering Himself to the Eternal Father. However, unlike the bloody Sacrifice He had to endur at Calvary, the heavenly Sacrifice is unbloody. Rather than His Blood being shed, His Blood is instead offered to the Father by the saints, who proffer their merits to God, covered in His Blood. The saints, on Earth too (us), also offer Jesus’ Blood to the Father in atonement and in reparation for the sins of many. Now, we not only offer Jesus to the Father at the Mass (this Sacrifice is the one and same Sacrifice in heaven, for the earthly Liturgy is a reflection of the heavenly Liturgy) in light of the Sacrament of Holy Oreers, but we also offer Him to the Father in light of the Royal Priesthood. That is, the Priest offers Jesus in the Eucharist to the Father and all the faithful offer His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity to the Father. I hope this adequently answers your prayers, and if there is anything missing or incorrect, please correct me.
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To believe that Jesus is presented to us on the cross at the Mass is not believing he is crucified in the human sense over and over again and therefore, not against Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church does teach that th sacrifice of the cross was not a one of event in history and in a sense you could say Jesus is still on the cross. What is being disputed here is terminlology and expressing the deep things of God in inadequate human language is very difficult so I really think we shouldn’t be calling each other heretics. This is a very deep doctrine that Paul said was difficult to understand which is why he went into such a deep discussion on the subject in Hebrews.
Jesus himself said in Matthew he would be with us to the end of time. Perhaps the term ‘Jesus is everwhere’ is again a dispute regarding the terminology used as opposed to it is not true. God sustains all life and as one God with God the Father, he could be said to be present in creation. Jesus and the Holy Spirit also played an active role in creation and continue to play an active role in sustaining life. The Johannine community came to understand the Holy Spirit to be the continuing presence of Jesus as they are one God with God the Father. Jesus miracles and his baptism where performed in the presence of the Holy Spirit and those who are baptised by Spirit, the presence of Christ is also in them and these beliefs are not contrary to Catholic teaching or a denial that Christ rose body and soul to heaven.
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As Jesus rose to heaven, he is no longer constrained by human flesh which he chose to be while on earth. He can therefore present himself in many ways. Jesus is presented to us in the Mass in a sacrificial way and as divinity which is distinctive from other ways his presence is made manifest to us. I can therefore understand why people would say Jesus is everywhere and is not necessarily heresy. What is considered heresy is the belief that Jesus does not present himself to us at the Mass at all and is present in the same manner everywhere. Admittedly, the terminology I am using here may well leave something to be desired and could be put better but I do think anything I have said here is contrary to Catholic teaching.
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