Is Jesus unfair?

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Jesus says that those who work longer in the field should not complain if others who worked less get paid as much as they. Is this unfair? And don’t those who are more virtuous get a higher place in heaven? PLEASE help me with this
 
Jesus says that those who work longer in the field should not complain if others who worked less get paid as much as they. Is this unfair? And don’t those who are more virtuous get a higher place in heaven? PLEASE help me with this
No it is not unfair. The Master is the Master, the Servant is the Servant.

Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me. Or do you begrudge my generosity? Matthew 20:15.
 
Jesus says that those who work longer in the field should not complain if others who worked less get paid as much as they. Is this unfair? And don’t those who are more virtuous get a higher place in heaven? PLEASE help me with this
It’s a parable… all that serve our Lord will have the equal right to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
As for the reward received once we are in heaven, we will be content with what we receive for we will have a deeper understanding of heaven and of our Lord. When God the Father shows his face to you, the infinite love, what does it matter where in heaven you are at that time - you could be at his feet, or an infinite distance away, and the fullness of his love for you would be in full and beyond what one can imagine in this life. Of course, I would like to be at the feet of our Lord (perhaps that’s my pride at work there? and then there’s this omnipresence, we’re all at his feet and yet not… too late in the night for that brain-twister); however, I just don’t know if in life I’ll be that holy… but I try and Lord need only call my name and I will follow.
 
It is not unfair that God allows those who convert on their death-bed to enter heaven, that is mercy!

Yes, the virtuous have a higher place in heaven. That’s why Mary is the queen of heaven, because of her virtue. But that’s not Jesus’ point here. His point is God’s generosity and mercy as opposed to the lack of generosity of man.
 
“Fairness” is a concept I have wondered about in its application to the Final Justice and Judgement of JESUS and whether or not we rely to heavily upon our understanding of “fairness” as we see it applied in our lives and environment and hence foolishly believe that JESUS will be “fair” to our souls.

The conclusion I have formulated is that we do rely to much on our human concept of “fairness” as we progress through our exile awaiting our return to Heaven, if JESUS so judges.

JESUS has told us that if someone is suing you for your cloak, give him your shirt as well - that is not “fair”, as that exceeds “fairness”. We are to go beyond what the world considers fair, and be examples of sacrifice - as JESUS is.

When JESUS suffered through HIS passion and died on the cross, HE was unjustly judged and condemed, which was not fair. HE sacrificed HIMSELF, HE did not save HIMSELF with “fairness”.

JESUS teaches us that our “yes” should mean “yes” and our “no” should be “no”, and anything else is from the evil one - well “fairness” is the anything else which I believe is how the evil one has convinced to follishly believe that JESUS will be fair to us.

JESUS will be “true” to us. True to our nature. True to our choice. True to our love HIM or our rejection of HIM. JESUS will judge us with truth, not with fairness - so begin living your lives in HIS truth, sacrifice when a question of “fairness” is raised against you and follow HIS examples and commands - not the worlds examples.
 
Jesus says that those who work longer in the field should not complain if others who worked less get paid as much as they. Is this unfair? And don’t those who are more virtuous get a higher place in heaven? PLEASE help me with this
Remember this from scripture: “The last shall be first, and the first shall be last.” It is the weakest, the littlest that will be first, not the strongest.

We are poor judges of what is virtuous or who is virtuous so this is not something we would be good at determining in terms of who “gets a higher place in heaven.” As far as the workers, I have thought this: Not everyone has the same abilities, strength, so what may seem easy to me may in fact be very difficult for them. Therefore we are not good judges of who has worked the hardest and best either. The person with weak muscles and a bad heart may only be able to work 2 hours, but he/she will be just as exhausted as the fellow who can work 10 hours a day. So why not pay everyone the same amount?

We are the one’s that are not fair. Jesus is always fair.
 
One thing to remember about the workers in the vineyard is that the early workers don’t lose anything because the late arrivals gain something. What prompts their complaint is not that something has been taken away from them but that something has been given to someone else. They are prompted by envy.

Also recall that those who worked least had been idle not by choice but by necessity, no one had hired them. Had they not been employed in an era without welfare or savings accounts the chances are they would have gone hungry. Moreover they agreed to work without agreeing to a wage, they trusted The Lord of the Vineyard to treat them justly.

Finally bear in mind that you too are a late arrival on one reading of the Parable. The early labourers with a firm contract were the Jews who had the Law and the Covenant, the latecomers were the Gentiles who had only the person of The Lord to put their trust in.
 
That sounds unfair to me–and illogical.

If that were to happen today, the boss would have to make some changes. This is one reason why we have Unions and Human Resource people, yes?
We try to ensure that workers who do the same amount and kind of work get paid equally (ie: fairly).

This is why most workers today get paid overtime when they work longer hours than others.

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I think you perhaps did not read the gospel through (to get the context), nor are you considering the whole picture.

The first workers agreed to a set wage for their work that they considered perfectly fair. And they worked the agreed hours. No overtime.

The next sets of laborers went off knowing only that the boss would pay them what he considered appropriate.

Remember that in the time frame, people often would go off to the marketplace and wait to be hired. Now let’s face it, bosses would soon get to know which people were ‘good workers’ and which were slackers. So the ones who got ‘left behind’ for the day were most likely those with a proven track record of ‘slacking’, or else ‘newbies’ who didn’t ‘have’ a record.

This was not a situation where these poor willing people were unfairly denied a right to work. They would have considered themselves LUCKY to get ANY work.

And here’s the thing --the boss is GENEROUS. He gives a fair and just wage to the people who did a ‘regular day’s work’ and in addition, he gives those who may NOT have had the same opportunities a decent wage as well. Imagine the possible effects on those people who might have gone home after a day of ‘no work’ to a starving family, and now they have the wages of a full day to help that family.

In today’s ‘fairness’, we have the same kind of thing. How many workers who for example get Family Leave are paid for work that they don’t do, in order to get them through a crisis situation? Isn’t that the same kind of idea? How many people ‘donate’ their hours to those in need. . .isn’t that the same kind of idea?

I just shake my head at all the people who think they’re ‘more fair’ than Jesus. We’re living in a time when millions of children are aborted. Is that FAIR? But we don’t even (many of us) think it’s WRONG to take that child’s life, because it isn’t FAIR to the mother to ‘punish her with a child’.

Boy oh boy. Heaven forbid that somebody be perceived of getting something ‘more’ than another to which he or she is not ‘entitled’. . .unless, of course, it is sanctioned by society. And heaven forbid that an unborn child have ‘rights’, because that isn’t FAIR to the born mother (or father). We’re fixated on fair, but we have become a society that doesn’t even know what fairness IS.
 
Jesus says that those who work longer in the field should not complain if others who worked less get paid as much as they. Is this unfair? And don’t those who are more virtuous get a higher place in heaven? PLEASE help me with this
It depends on what the reward is. If I gave you $50 for a whole days work, and another bloke $50 for working for just one hour, you’d be right to complain. You’ve worked for 8 hours at the miserly rate $6.25 per hour, and he’s worked for $50 an hour.

But if I paid you a million dollars for the day’s work, and did the same for the other bloke for an hour’s work, I’m being generous to both of you. You’ve both received generous rates, and you couldn’t complain you were hard done by. You could just about live on a day’s work for the rest of your life.

What God’s offering you for a lifetime of toil in his vineyard, and someone else who might work only a fraction of that time is eternal life in heaven, with all that implies (mansions, and who knows what else). The reward is out of keeping with the work.
 
If God dealt with us fairly, none of us would have heaven. Think of that for a moment. You and I do not deserve heaven.

If one person or 10 thousand can enter heaven, it is totally on the generousity of God. To call him unfair is a very unfair judgement.

Instead of identifying with the person who labored the whole day long in the heat of the day, try identifying with the person who came in in that last hour. You would know gratitude and joy at receiving heaven! You would understand how much God was generous with you!
 
They all could have got paid (“got to heaven”) while not getting the same pay. Some are saying that the latter workers couldn’t work as hard as the others. That would make sense of this, but I am not seeing that in the text
 
Jesus says that those who work longer in the field should not complain if others who worked less get paid as much as they. Is this unfair? And don’t those who are more virtuous get a higher place in heaven? PLEASE help me with this
Not one of us DESERVES heaven. So if you want to be technical here-- it isn’t fairness that any of us get saved. It is solely because of God’s mercy and love and it has nothing to do with how much time we spend serving Him. Our salvation is a free gift of God merited for us by Jesus Christ on the cross. He wants to give this gift to all who believe in Him and repent of their sins. Whether a person repents and believes in childhood, middle adulthood or on their death bed, God wants to give the gift to everyone. Who are we sinners to judge who else God gives mercy to? Why would we not rejoice with the Lord that one more soul was saved? It is not fair that Jesus had to die for sinners, but when He chose to do so, He chose to do it for all sinners. I think you may be missing one important point-- those who are working in the vineyard are working for the salvation of other people.

BTW, in my opinion, those who work longer for the Lord in His vineyard DO get an extra gift that those who come to the Lord late in life do not get. That gift is the joy in serving and living a life in charity and in the Spirit. It is having Jesus as your very best friend as you go through life. This is all the “bonus pay” I need.
 
Perhaps this story about St Therese will be helpful
  • I once told you how astonished I was that God does not give equal glory in heaven to all His chosen. I was afraid they were not all equally happy. You made me bring Daddy’s big tumbler and put it by the side of my tiny thimble. You filled them both with water and asked me which was the fuller. I told you they were both full to the brim and that it was impossible to put more water in them than they could hold. And so, Mother darling, you made me understand that in heaven God will give His chosen their fitting glory and that the last will have no reason to envy the first.*
 
maybe Jesus’s comments are more about generosity on earth than unequal placement in heaven
 
Thinkandmull, here is the reality.

Questions and answers on Catholicism and Protestantism
Given from the Catholic Broadcasting Station 2SM Sydney Australia
790. What did Christ mean by the parable in which the late arrivals received the same pay as those who had worked all day, and who justly protested?

“The parable is not to be interpreted literally and merely from this world’s point of view, but as exhibiting the conditions of the kingdom of heaven to which Christ applied His illustration. Eternal salvation depends upon the gift of divine grace, and God will grant that salvation by justice to those who have served Him from their youth, by mercy and goodness to those who turn to Him in repentance or later stages of life, or even at the last moment. And no one will ever have the right to complain against God whether He manifests His justice or His mercy in granting salvation to any given soul. Equity will be secured, of course, by the greater glory and merit of those who have served God longer and more faithfully on earth. But our Lord is not here concerned with that. He is concerned with the general fact of eternal salvation given equally to souls of various qualifications. The parable was directed against the Pharisees who thought themselves the elite, and condemned our Lord’s goodness to the publicans and sinners, as if these poor people should not be given any hope of eternal salvation. They thought that was theirs by right, and that God was not free to grant it to others even in sheer mercy. Where the dispensation of grace is concerned God is above all human criticism.”
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That sounds unfair to me–and illogical.
No. See the correct explanation of Christ’s own parable.
 
maybe Jesus’s comments are more about generosity on earth than unequal placement in heaven
At the very beginning of this story (Matthew 20:1) Jesus says “'Now the kingdom of Heaven is like a landowner going out at daybreak to hire workers for his vineyard.” So this parable is not about hiring practices of his day or our day. He’s talking about the kingdom, and how God is so generous as to give the latecomers the same return for labour as the early ones.

As I was writing this response it occurred to me that when Jesus talks about the kingdom of heaven, he’s not merely referring to the afterlife. The kingdom is right here right now. Jesus taught us to pray “Thy kingdom come”, in other words God’s kingdom is not a place we go to when we die. So this parable is more of an example of how we should live here on earth than what happens when we die.
 
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