Is john 6 the real presence justifications?. For the unseen change of the wafer host?

[almost2]

Is John 6 the scripture for the real presence justifications?

And does it only work for some religions? But not all. Even though scripture. Says god is not a respecter of persons.
For the unseen change of a wafer host?

 

[whyeyeman]

John 6 is a very deep chapter with various layers of meaning. One of these is no doubt about the Eucharist, but it’s important not to overlook the fact that it also means thus:

• when you eat something, you digest it and absorb it’s nutrients etc. and it quite literally becomes part of you. Therefore, when eating bread that is Christs body, it means we should imitate Christ.
• “Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God” - the Word of God, which is embodied in the person of Jesus, should be our spiritual nourishment.

 

[jcrichton]

Hi!

I don’t know what you mean by justification… but consider the wording of the text… as I understand it, Jesus did not just say eat my body but actually said “masticate” or “chew.” So how can this term be applied to a symbolic referencing of Scriptural text (inking of the New Covenant’s Sacred Scriptures)… and consider that when Christ states that the Word He Speak and Spirit and Life the New Covenant Writing did not exist as they were inked at least a couple of decades after His death, resurrection and Ascension.

Then there’s the insistence. Was Christ slow-minded? Did He not understand the confusion and frustration of His audience? Why does He insist that they must EAT MY FLESH and DRINK MY BLOOD? He further qualifies: “my body/flesh is food indeed; my blood is drink indeed.” Unless we want to ignore the Word of God (Scriptures) we must be true to the “held belief” that we are obedient to the Word of God and not just choose when to accept Christ at His Word and when to determine, for Christ, when He is simply being figurative.

Consider also how simple it would have been for Christ to call all of His audience back and clarify, ‘please, people, hold on… I was not being literal…’ Christ rather insisted… “What about you (the Twelve), are you too going to leave Me?” (paraphrased)

…as for the different understanding of the Word of God, did not Satan quote Scriptures from the beginning? It is not enough to think that one knows what God is saying, we must accept God’s Revelation about God through God’s Holy Spirit–He, the Third Person of God, will not Teach a different Gospel than Christ!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[BartholomewB]

Is John 6 the scripture for the real presence justifications?

“This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world” (John 6:51c, NIV).

Certainly in the Catholic Church this saying is commonly quoted in support of the doctrine of the real presence.

Among academics in the NT Studies area, the saying is sometimes (often? usually?) thought to have become detached from its original setting, which was the institution of the Eucharist―the sole remnant in the Fourth Gospel of what may possibly have been a parallel to the narrative found in Paul (1 Cor 11:23-25) and in all three Synoptics (Mk 14:22-25, Mt 26:26-29, Lk 22:15-20).

 

[PaulfromIowa]

The Eucharist was prefigured in Scripture but was instituted at the Last Supper. All of Christ’s Apostles understood and accepted the Real Presence and His command to “do this in memory of Me.”

And does it only work for some religions?

I am guessing that you mean “some denominations.” Yes, a valid Eucharist requires a valid clergy in apostolic succession.

 

[DebCWil]

Read John 6 plus the story of the Last Supper. Our Lord is saying explicitly that we must “eat of the Son of Man.” He does not justify His statement when the crowd walks away, or explain it as He explains the parables to the disciples.
At the Last Supper, He says “This is my Body” and “This is my Blood.” The Catholic Church celebrates the Last Supper as the Institution of the Holy Eucharist.
Separated brothers and sisters of various denominations would say the Eucharist they celebrate is merely symbolic. It is part of the reason that we as Catholics do not join in ecumenical Communion services. We are not yet in union with one another. The sharing of Communion services is the sharing in a lie. There is no transubstantiation outside the Catholic or Orthodox Church.