Is Joseph Smith a prophet like Mohammed?

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Servant19 said:
A minor prophet or a seer.

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I note he was killed in 1844, June 27th, 1 month after declaration of the Bab. So had no chance of hearing of the new Faith.

Was strange about Tue Golden Plates.

Regards Tony
 
Lenten_ashes said:
Yes, if you accept Muhammed as a prophet it stands to reason you must also accept J.Smith.

Both claim revelation form some “Angel” that interacted with them.

And Mormons dont blow things up and are really nice people. So if anything, J.Smith has even more credibility than Muhammed.
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J. Smith is not a prophet and it is not fair to compare with the most high human and prophet!
 
SyroMalankara said:
Yes. Both used religion to gain secular power, changing “God’s rule” to suit their actions as needed, with followers (and themselves) employing violent means. Joe Smith was less successful, since the US Army wasn’t having any of his royal aspirations on American soil.

However, even he can’t claim the most recent title, since we have people claiming these things even up to our day.
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And some use religion to teach about a belief which imply Paganism!
 
HelenRose said:
If I believed that Mohammad was a prophet, I would be a Muslim.
If I believed that Joseph Smith was a prophet, I would be a Mormon.
If I believed that the Bahá’u’lláh was a prophet, I would be a Bahai,

These men founded religions that I do not believe in. That doesn’t mean that I don’t respect the people who follow these men. I would not say to a Muslim, Mormon aor Bahai that their leaders were “false” prophets. But, I personally do not believe that any one them is a prophet.

I am a Catholic. The founder of my Religion is Christ. He is not a prophet. He is God.
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I do not believe that Jesus was God. That is your conjecture.
 
Any one can claim such thing. Inspiration is different from revelation. Smith may have inspiration but that is not revelation which make someone prophet.
 
HelenRose said:
There are false prophets but I am not in a position and don’t have the knowledge to declare anyone a false prophet or a false Christ. I leave that judgement up to God.

When I talk about Religion, I talk about the wonder of God, the beauty of Mary, the saving Grace of God, the Rosary, the life and death of Christ, the joy I find in His love. The list of wonders and joys I find in Christ are enough to occupy my mind for an eternity.

To even say “false” prophet it is say that these men are in some form or another prophets.

They are not prophets - false of otherwise.

They are just men.
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You are very away from fact. The truth is not just yours.
 
But it is not totally out of logic!

Joseph Smith is an issue of Christianity. He was a reformer. There is no any relation and similarity to prophet. Prophet Muhammad came with a new religion. J. Smith established a new sect in/from Christianity.
 
JimmyDFG said:
Do the bahai believe in all “prophets”?
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Yes and a no, a yes to;

All the Major Prophets and Minor Prophets of the Bible have been confirmed in the Bahai Writings

The Prophets of the Major world religions have been confirmed in the Bahai Wrirings and others in the Kitab-i-iqan.

All the Prophets mentioned in the Koran and Bahai writings are confirmed.

A no to;

Someone like Joseph Smith is not mentioned in the writings and I do not see Him as a Prophet. He was definitely inspired with many good things.

A note;

A list of Prophets was posted on a thread on this subject some time ago, I remember the reception it received. 👍

Regards Tony
 
It would be correct to say Given to Muhammad by God.

There was no borrowing of scripture in the Koran. The Koran a gift to mankind, a gift rejected by many.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Someone like Joseph Smith is not mentioned in the writings and I do not see Him as a Prophet. He was definitely inspired with many good things.
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What things from Joseph Smith do you believe were inspired?
 
zaffiroborant said:
What things from Joseph Smith do you believe were inspired?
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The first thing I see is that He taught one God and then as time progressed he was getting mixed messages.

He started seeing “Gods” and Twin lights in about 1842. It could be he started seeing the impending revelation of the two great Lights of the Bab and Baha’u’llah and that the teaching of the Oneness of all the Prophets was entering his visions. It appears his visions must have been clouded as to what he was seeing.

By 1844 his thinking about the Trinity had taken on the explanation closer to the Koran, the Bab in 1844 and then Baha’u’llah were to confirm this view.

To me He was also seeing that Baha’u’llah was not far away as he stated the “Father has a body of flesh and bones”. The station of Baha’u’llah was the Father.

To conclude this short observation have a look at this extract to which you van see that Joseph was obviously picking up of the teachings that were just about to be manifested to the world.

Doctrine and Covenants:

The original 1835 edition of Doctrine and Covenants contained a section called: Lectures on Faith. This section had about 68 pages and more than 20, 000 words. However, this section is now missing from the current edition of Doctrines and Covenants. The entire Lectures on Faith have subsequently been removed from both the RLDS and LDS Doctrine and Covenants. The reason why it was removed is evident:

There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things. . . . They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fullness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man (Lecture 5, 52-53; emphasis added)

“The Father being a personage of spirit,” is not what modern LDS teaches. Compare this to what the later sections of the current Doctrine of Covenants teach:

The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as mans; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit (130:22; given April 1843; emphasis added)

Any way from a Baha’i perspective he was indeed seeing a glimpse.of what was just about to unfold but in a very clouded way.

Regards Tony
 
b_ulmen said:
It was vigorously argued in another thread that Mohammed was indeed a Prophet of the Judeo-Christian God. The logic used in Mohammed’s defense seems to apply also to Joseph Smith. If so, then why would Islam (or Baha’i really) be the final (most recent???) say on the matter of God? Wouldn’t Mormanism have rightful claim to that?
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Mohammed is absolutely not a prophet, nor is Joseph Smith.

These things are not relative, they cannot be a prophet for one group of people and not for another, either they are prophets or they are not. To argue that either of these men are prophets is to argue that the Catholic Church is wrong.
 
Brendan_64 said:
Mohammed is absolutely not a prophet, nor is Joseph Smith.

These things are not relative, they cannot be a prophet for one group of people and not for another, either they are prophets or they are not. To argue that either of these men are prophets is to argue that the Catholic Church is wrong.
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The Church is progressive and unfolds the Fullness of Truth, thus it could be that it may unfold the idea that Muhammad was indeed a Prophet. Time will tell and I would not be surprised if this did happen.

As for Joseph Smith I think he will be seen in the future as one who had visions of the future that he was not able to understand and put a wrong interpretation on them. They would not have been visions of a Prophet.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
The Church is progressive and unfolds the Fullness of Truth, thus it could be that it may unfold the idea that Muhammad was indeed a Prophet. Time will tell and I would not be surprised if this did happen.
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The Catholic Church clearly teaches that Mohammed and Joseph Smith are not prophets. Truth is not relative, truth is absolute. Church teaching does not change.

You of course are free to believe that the Catholic Church is wrong on this, but in that case either you, or the Church is wrong. I will put my faith in the Church founded by Christ.
 
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