Is Joseph Smith a prophet like Mohammed?

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Qur’an also narrate stories about prophets which are not in OT and NT. Ofcourse there are some parallel verses but that does not point Qur’an took from Bible or Torah but that demonstrate that God revealed Qur’an. Jesus had not got any education so when Jesus preached Jews scholars said “how a less educated man could have so wisdom and preach”.

Muhammad could not read or write but God revealed. If you say Muhammad should meet some monks? It is impossible to have so knowledges from few meetings. Pagans had known all parts life of Muhammad. If Muhammad had met other religion scholars they would know very well. Many Jews and Christians monks verified Muhammad for revelation.

Qur’an is miraculous by 40 ways which take long to explain. But just one miraculos part of Qur’an can be seen by eyes. look at that website. It is Turkish but not important because you can see the term of Allah(in Arabic) match to each other one under other.

hayrat.com.tr/icerik/kuran-ikerim/tevafuklu-kuran-i-kerim.aspx
 
Yes and a no, a yes to;

All the Major Prophets and Minor Prophets of the Bible have been confirmed in the Bahai Writings

The Prophets of the Major world religions have been confirmed in the Bahai Wrirings and others in the Kitab-i-iqan.

All the Prophets mentioned in the Koran and Bahai writings are confirmed.

A no to;

Someone like Joseph Smith is not mentioned in the writings and I do not see Him as a Prophet. He was definitely inspired with many good things.

A note;

A list of Prophets was posted on a thread on this subject some time ago, I remember the reception it received. 👍

Regards Tony
Jesus mentioned of false prophets and false Christ’s to come, how are the bahai to distinguish between the truth and falsehood since they will deceive even the elect
 
Joseph Smith made up a few stories to get women In bed with him. He’s hardly a prophet of any god other than his libido.
 
Qur’an is not founded on OT and NT.
The quran promotes its own modified view of Christianity and Jesus’ life. The quran expands on Mary’s life, introduces new tales of Jesus’ early life, and goes to great lengths to deemphasize Jesus as a divine figure, proclaiming he was simply another “messenger” (like muhammad). In fact, islam teaches its followers that Jesus’ crucifixion did not occur but rather was a cunning deception.
According to the quran, God revealed new details of Old Testament stories to muhammad. In particular, events surrounding Adam and Eve, Abraham, Lot, Joseph, Jacob, Noah, and numerous other minor Old Testament characters are revised. Most Old Testament stories related in the quran are similar to the Christian (and Jewish) versions but with additional, surprising details “revealed by God” to muhammad.
 
Qur’an also narrate stories about prophets which are not in OT and NT. Ofcourse there are some parallel verses but that does not point Qur’an took from Bible or Torah but that demonstrate that God revealed Qur’an. Jesus had not got any education so when Jesus preached Jews scholars said “how a less educated man could have so wisdom and preach”.

Muhammad could not read or write but God revealed. If you say Muhammad should meet some monks? It is impossible to have so knowledges from few meetings. Pagans had known all parts life of Muhammad. If Muhammad had met other religion scholars they would know very well. Many Jews and Christians monks verified Muhammad for revelation.

Qur’an is miraculous by 40 ways which take long to explain. But just one miraculos part of Qur’an can be seen by eyes. look at that website. It is Turkish but not important because you can see the term of Allah(in Arabic) match to each other one under other.

hayrat.com.tr/icerik/kuran-ikerim/tevafuklu-kuran-i-kerim.aspx
hasantas, How and why would a person consider chapter 8 and 9 in the quran “miraculous”?
 
Jesus mentioned of false prophets and false Christ’s to come, how are the bahai to distinguish between the truth and falsehood since they will deceive even the elect
The Bible tells.you how, you would be aware of all those applicable passages.

Regards Tony
 
Jesus mentioned of false prophets and false Christ’s to come, how are the bahai to distinguish between the truth and falsehood since they will deceive even the elect
I think the best start is this; Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. … Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." [Matthew 7:15-20]

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. (deu 18:21-22)

In Muhammad’s case these can be fully confirmed.

In Joseph Smiths Case it would be difficult to apply these two passages to him.

Regards Tony
 
I think the best start is this; Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. … Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." [Matthew 7:15-20]

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. (deu 18:21-22)

In Muhammad’s case these can be fully confirmed.
Sorry for the intrusion. But Mohammed is NOT in Deuteronomy. This is an old and refuted argument. The pro- Mohammed argument has been put forth on youtube videos. Hardly a place that is Holy.

The Gospels are called Holy Gospels for a reason and are revealed Truths that originate from the OT as God’s Spirit.
In Joseph Smiths Case it would be difficult to apply these two passages to him.
Regards Tony
It is impossible to accommodate others. Unless they actually listen to Jesus calling them.

MJ
 
Sorry for the intrusion. But Mohammed is NOT in Deuteronomy. This is an old and refuted argument. The pro- Mohammed argument has been put forth on youtube videos. Hardly a place that is Holy.

The Gospels are called Holy Gospels for a reason and are revealed Truths that originate from the OT as God’s Spirit.

It is impossible to accommodate others. Unless they actually listen to Jesus calling them.

MJ
We are talking about the fruits of a Prophet Martin, not Deuteronomy and Muhammad 🙂

The fruits of Muhammad are self evident of Prophethood.

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Sorry for the intrusion. But Mohammed is NOT in Deuteronomy. This is an old and refuted argument. The pro- Mohammed argument has been put forth on youtube videos. Hardly a place that is Holy.

The Gospels are called Holy Gospels for a reason and are revealed Truths that originate from the OT as God’s Spirit.

It is impossible to accommodate others. Unless they actually listen to Jesus calling them.

MJ
No intrusion at all Martin, Welcome!!
We’re talking about muhammad and Joseph Smith

I’ll point two of these so called fruits of islam or muhammad

The bad fruit of this purported prophecy stems from Muhammad trying to pass off his 7th Century Arabian superstitions about flies as divinely inspired by his god Allah. If Allah was the omnipotent creator of the universe he would know that harmful bacteria was carried by flies on their feet and excreted in their droppings after they have been feasting on manure, viscera or other bacteria-laden material. A true prophetic revelation about flies would never recommend dipping them into a drink where potentially harmful bacteria and other disease germs could be ingested by a person consuming the drink

Modern science knows that flies are a major vector for deadly diseases in man such as malaria, dysentery, sleeping sickness, onchocerciasis - also known as river blindness, elephantiasis and yellow fever. Many other diseases are transmitted mechanically by flies due to the habit exhibited by many species of sucking liquid from excreta and other decaying organic matter and then spitting or drooling on food later ingested by humans.

The other I pointed out before but never got legitimate answer. IF islam or muhammad is divinely inspired why would there so much division and warfare immediate after muhammads death. Case in point “the muslim conquest”

Matthew 5
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you,

45that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.

46 For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors* do the same?

47 And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same?*

quran 48:29 “muhammad is the messenger of allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves.”

quran 98:6 “Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.”
 
Some Jewish scholars got amazed how a less educated man could know so much wisdom. Jesus implied that He got revelation from God so He could get so wisdom and He did not talk by Himself.

The above statements are in Bible which I had red but not know where. Perhaps you can say where it is.

The point is that: Jesus did not get education but He could preach more well than scholars. Muhammad did not get education but He could have wisdom more than any monk.
 
No intrusion at all Martin, Welcome!!
We’re talking about muhammad and Joseph Smith

I’ll point two of these so called fruits of islam or muhammad

The bad fruit of this purported prophecy stems from Muhammad trying to pass off his 7th Century Arabian superstitions about flies as divinely inspired by his god Allah. If Allah was the omnipotent creator of the universe he would know that harmful bacteria was carried by flies on their feet and excreted in their droppings after they have been feasting on manure, viscera or other bacteria-laden material. A true prophetic revelation about flies would never recommend dipping them into a drink where potentially harmful bacteria and other disease germs could be ingested by a person consuming the drink

Modern science knows that flies are a major vector for deadly diseases in man such as malaria, dysentery, sleeping sickness, onchocerciasis - also known as river blindness, elephantiasis and yellow fever. Many other diseases are transmitted mechanically by flies due to the habit exhibited by many species of sucking liquid from excreta and other decaying organic matter and then spitting or drooling on food later ingested by humans.
Flies are holy! Who said that? Qur’an(God) say flies are creature and art of God. God challenge for unbeliever to make a fly even wing of it but if all people(scientists) get together yet they will not able to make it. Because fly is a miraculous art of God(every alive is so!). That is an evidence for presence of God and God say that He do not avoid to give a illustration from fly. If someone regard themselves so big then they bring(create) a fly! But nobody can create an alive except Allah. I think you do not understand that. You look at harmful sides of creatures but could not see the art and action of God on it.
 
The other I pointed out before but never got legitimate answer. IF islam or muhammad is divinely inspired why would there so much division and warfare immediate after muhammads death. Case in point “the muslim conquest”

Matthew 5
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you,

45that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.

46 For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors* do the same?

47 And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same?*

quran 48:29 “muhammad is the messenger of allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves.”

quran 98:6 “Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.”
If you ask being forceful against the disbelievers?

Islam is very hard to save faith. Because there will not be any new revelation after Islam. Christians faith is mixed up with polythesit a bit even they claim to believe in one God. That is very important. During times of Muhammad Pagans were used to try revoke faith by swords(force). So believers with Muhammad were hard against those unbelievers to keep faith. If you say Muhammad should preach in peaceful way? Already Muhammad was used to behave in that way. But when unbelievers attacked faith then prophet had god permission from God to resist.

And God do not love unbelievers. That is true. The point is that. God love His creatures as they being art of God. All unbelievers are art of God so God love them. But God do not love evil deeds of unbelievers. The most evil thing is rejection of God. So God do not love evil acts of unbelievers. God do not love act of lie. God do not love act of persecution. etc. But you mean as if Islam promote a hateful God! That is not true. God sent people on the world to exam if we do evil or good. Can you say God love our evil deeds? For instance if I persecute someone of your family and let’s assume that God will love that. So will you love God yet?

You pick up verse and apply it for all situations! But there are other verses which restrict of that verse. For instance Qur’an say if you kill a man without a reason it is as if you had killed all humanbeing? And if someone kill a human without a reason so God will not forgive that persecution for ever. So f a Muslim kill an unbeliever without a reason so God will not forgive that Muslim. If you read the next of verses you can see that.

There are more but anyway…
 
We are talking about the fruits of a Prophet Martin, not Deuteronomy and Muhammad 🙂

The fruits of Muhammad are self evident of Prophethood.

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Take it up with Jesus. Who spoke about the fruits, not your subjectivity.

MJ
 
Some Jewish scholars got amazed how a less educated man could know so much wisdom. Jesus implied that He got revelation from God so He could get so wisdom and He did not talk by Himself.
Then Jesus spoke deeper. Did you let him? Point out this verse you are taking about. I’ll then go further by way of Jesus continuing his discourse.
The above statements are in Bible which I had red but not know where. Perhaps you can say where it is.
That’s the problem. You stopped and then say:
The point is that: Jesus did not get education but He could preach more well than scholars. Muhammad did not get education but He could have wisdom more than any monk.
There is no comparison with Jesus as I will prove if you follow up Jesus words.

Jharek, would you also like to participate?🙂

MJ
 
If you ask being forceful against the disbelievers?

Islam is very hard to save faith. Because there will not be any new revelation after Islam. Christians faith is mixed up with polythesit a bit even they claim to believe in one God. That is very important. During times of Muhammad Pagans were used to try revoke faith by swords(force). So believers with Muhammad were hard against those unbelievers to keep faith. If you say Muhammad should preach in peaceful way? Already Muhammad was used to behave in that way. But when unbelievers attacked faith then prophet had god permission from God to resist.

And God do not love unbelievers. That is true. The point is that. God love His creatures as they being art of God. All unbelievers are art of God so God love them. But God do not love evil deeds of unbelievers. The most evil thing is rejection of God. So God do not love evil acts of unbelievers. God do not love act of lie. God do not love act of persecution. etc. But you mean as if Islam promote a hateful God! That is not true. God sent people on the world to exam if we do evil or good. Can you say God love our evil deeds? For instance if I persecute someone of your family and let’s assume that God will love that. So will you love God yet?

You pick up verse and apply it for all situations! But there are other verses which restrict of that verse. For instance Qur’an say if you kill a man without a reason it is as if you had killed all humanbeing? And if someone kill a human without a reason so God will not forgive that persecution for ever. So f a Muslim kill an unbeliever without a reason so God will not forgive that Muslim. If you read the next of verses you can see that.

There are more but anyway…
Muhammad ( 570–632 ) was born in Mecca and was a traveling merchant until age 40. From 610–622 he had a ministry in Mecca as a prophet of allah. In 622, he fled from his enemies in Mecca and led his followers to Medina. Through tribal political alliances, muhammad soon became the ruler of Medina. He ruled Medina until his death (622–632).
Muhammad as ruler of Medina had a strikingly different character than when he was the prophet of Mecca. The quranic verses he penned in Mecca often contradict the verses he wrote in Medina. Let us compare the two muhammads and the two qurans.

In Mecca, Muhammad preached and exhorted people to submit to Islam. In Medina, he used the threat of the sword to compel people to convert to Islam. In Mecca, muhammad led the life of a teacher and prophet and followed disciplines of prayer, fasting, and worship. In Medina, he was the political ruler and the military commander. During his ten years in Medina, he personally led 27 military attacks. Prior to his death, he conquered most of the Arabian peninsula.

Why would an army use “self-defense” when attacking other community or city? Especially during the rapid expansion of the muslim conquest?

I do not believe in allah or muhammad as being a “prophet” …nor do I believe in the quran as being divine( I do not many disrespect. I am sorry if that’s how it sounds. Its my belief )
Since I do not believe or practice in islam or allah , am I evil?
You say “God love His creatures as they being art of God” Wording it like that sounds like allah is like an art collector…only loves his marble sculptures.

You made an contradiction is a statement you made…
“And God do not love unbelievers. That is true. The point is that. God love His creatures as they being art of God. All unbelievers are art of God so God love them.”

It is quite apparent that “Whoever kills a person….it is as though he killed all mankind” is completely misleading and dishonest and is intended as a dissimulation. It is as though it is saying that allah disapproves of killing (of any kind) “whoever kills… is killing mankind.” It is misleading because it is out of context and because when the verse is read in full it implies that “when the person is a murderer, or someone who inciting sedition,” that killing him is justified. And in the eyes of muslims, all non-muslims who reject allah and islam are “spreading corruption” and are legitimate targets to be killed. But it does imply (to muslims) that killing another (innocent) muslim would be synonymous to killing all mankind.

On the surface of it, the first sentence (islamists often quote only the first sentence, conveniently hiding the next sentence) of verse 5:32 seems very munificence and non-violent. What does the next sentence say? It says clearly that even when allah sent His messengers many people disbelieved them. muhammad was one of such messengers, the best and the last. Therefore, “those who disbelieve in muhammad and allah (i.e. the non-muslims) are the transgressors. Evidently, the non-muslims are the mischief-makers on earth. Logically, these non-muslims do not fall under the purview of the merciful provisions of verse 5:32. In simple language, this means: verse 5:32 is applicable only to the muslims.
 
Muhammad ( 570–632 ) was born in Mecca and was a traveling merchant until age 40. From 610–622 he had a ministry in Mecca as a prophet of allah. In 622, he fled from his enemies in Mecca and led his followers to Medina. Through tribal political alliances, muhammad soon became the ruler of Medina. He ruled Medina until his death (622–632).
Muhammad as ruler of Medina had a strikingly different character than when he was the prophet of Mecca. The quranic verses he penned in Mecca often contradict the verses he wrote in Medina. Let us compare the two muhammads and the two qurans.

In Mecca, Muhammad preached and exhorted people to submit to Islam. In Medina, he used the threat of the sword to compel people to convert to Islam. In Mecca, muhammad led the life of a teacher and prophet and followed disciplines of prayer, fasting, and worship. In Medina, he was the political ruler and the military commander. During his ten years in Medina, he personally led 27 military attacks. Prior to his death, he conquered most of the Arabian peninsula.
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renewamerica.com/analyses/060630hutchison.htm

It is always good to show where you referenced your thoughts.

Regards Tony.
 
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